Parrot Forum Header Left  
Go Back   Parrot Forum - Parrot Owner's Community > Species Specific > Alexandrines

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 05-16-2017, 09:01 AM
Junior Member
Parrots:
Alexandrene Parrot
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Tamworth, Staffordshire
Thanks: 14
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Aij615 is on a distinguished road
Does it hurt ?

Sponsored Links
Hi Guys, Max is 6 months old. He's very active in his cage and climbs all over the place using his beak as a grappling tool, I think he's started to settle in to his new cage past 2 weeks however I can't seem get him to 'Up' onto my finger so I can hold him. Any clever trick you fine experts have on this to get him to step up onto my outstretched finger ??

Question I want to know is sometime Max looks like he's going to attempt to peck at me when I try to do this - I get the impression he don't want to be messed with so does this cause he's irritated lol

Does it hurt when 'Alex's peck you ???
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 05-16-2017, 09:33 AM
Member
Parrots:
Orange-winged Amazon - RIP Charlie, Spock - Common Mynah, McCoy - Alexandrine
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Shropshire, UK
Thanks: 11
Thanked 79 Times in 44 Posts
Jottlebot is on a distinguished road
Re: Does it hurt ?

Hello, start by clicker and target training. It can easily be done in the cage and he'll probably pick it up very quickly. You can then put the target above your hand and he'll step on you to get to the target. I would guess it will take a few days to get to this point. He has to be consistently climbing all over the cage to touch the target before you try your hand. My McCoy will stand on all sorts of scary things if he's after the target!

In terms of the pecking, no it doesn't hurt. McCoy would also scrape his lower beak on my skin to check it, that does get a bit sore. Now he will bite though. He's only been stepping up or landing on my skin for about a week so I just think he doesn't know he isn't allowed to do it yet. The biting does hurt, but has only broken the skin once.

Good luck! Look forward to knowing how you get on!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Jottlebot For This Useful Post:
Aij615 (05-16-2017)
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 05-16-2017, 10:11 AM
Junior Member
Parrots:
Alexandrene Parrot
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Tamworth, Staffordshire
Thanks: 14
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Aij615 is on a distinguished road
Re: Does it hurt ?

Oohhh now I'm intrigued.

Ok so his favourite food is Grapes, loves them. So what your saying is use this grape to get him to perch on my outstretched finger yes, he will currently climb all over the cage (and would actually put 'Spider-Man' to shame) to get at a grape.

Trying to picture and figure out me holding a grape whole finger outstretched to get Max onto it....

Unless I use my left hand to get Max to perch on it and then right hand holding the grape near by so max will have to climb on me to reach it - I'm guessing that will work

Al
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 05-16-2017, 02:58 PM
wrench13's Avatar
Senior Member
Parrots:
Yellow Shoulder Amazon, Salty
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: long island, ny
Thanks: 93
Thanked 4,210 Times in 1,980 Posts
wrench13 is on a distinguished road
Re: Does it hurt ?

Yep that will work. Bear in mind you need to work with your parrot every night, to develop the kind of trust and relationship you want. It doesn't come quickly and it doesn't come cheaply. And yes , you might get nipped / bit/ crunched, but thats a part of learning your birds body language. Check out some of Saltys videos on youtube... ( search on salty parrot trick) we work together every night for 1/2 hour, training and learning new tricks. And we play at least an hour every nite too.
__________________
Salty and AL

Salty - YSA - hatched 8/15/15

Geri - Blond haired Queens wife , birthday unknown

http://www.parrotforums.com/members/wrench13-albums-salty-pics-picture17067-2016-09-12-23-36-00.html

Tinker - Cairn terrier, 4/15/08
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to wrench13 For This Useful Post:
Aij615 (05-17-2017), Inger Supporting Member (05-17-2017)
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 05-17-2017, 03:12 PM
Member
Parrots:
Orange-winged Amazon - RIP Charlie, Spock - Common Mynah, McCoy - Alexandrine
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Shropshire, UK
Thanks: 11
Thanked 79 Times in 44 Posts
Jottlebot is on a distinguished road
Re: Does it hurt ?

Yeah, that's what i mean. You'll be amazed by his Mr Stretch stretchy neck though that he might unleash instead of treading on you, but you just have to hold it further away from your hand so he has to step on! My tip wpuld be hold the grape so that he has to look up to reach it. It's harder to bite when you're reaching for something up a bit higher than you are.

I use a target (which is a pen) rather than food. When he touches the target I click a dog training clicker and give him a treat, but the grape would work as a "lure". I can't remember why the target is meant to be better than a food lure every time. Possibly because one day you might not have a grape when you need to pick him up, but you should have the target and also you can extend the delay between the stepping up for the target and giving the treat. If you just don't give him the grape he might just get annoyed and let you know with his beak!
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 05-17-2017, 03:44 PM
Inger's Avatar
Supporting Member
Parrots:
Bumble - Pacific (or Celestial) Parrotlet hatched 02/19/17
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Everett, WA
Thanks: 1,354
Thanked 442 Times in 266 Posts
Inger is on a distinguished road
Re: Does it hurt ?

Hahaha "Mr. Stretch stretchy neck" is such a great description.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Inger For This Useful Post:
Aij615 (05-18-2017)
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 05-18-2017, 11:01 AM
Junior Member
Parrots:
Alexandrene Parrot
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Tamworth, Staffordshire
Thanks: 14
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Aij615 is on a distinguished road
Re: Does it hurt ?

Sounds good....

How does the whole clicker training work, ??
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 05-19-2017, 03:01 PM
Member
Parrots:
Orange-winged Amazon - RIP Charlie, Spock - Common Mynah, McCoy - Alexandrine
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Shropshire, UK
Thanks: 11
Thanked 79 Times in 44 Posts
Jottlebot is on a distinguished road
Re: Does it hurt ?

You train the bird so that the sound of the clicker comes to mean a positive reward. So you start by clicking the clicker and giving a treat. Do it over and over about 10 times then have a break and then do it another couple of times in the day. When your bird starts looking for the treat as soon as he's heard the clicker you can move on.

Now you can target a behaviour. When he does something you like click the clicker and treat. It doesn't matter if he has to wait a few seconds for the treat because he knows there's one coming when he's heard the click. He'll also know what he's getting a treat for because the clicker is so precise. If something nice has happened when he's done something he's more likely to do it again! You can either wait to see something you like or make him do something like offering the end of the target and when he touches it click and treat. In no time he'll be chasing the target all round his cage and outside it too!

There's loads more about this in the behaviour section.

Use small treats so you can repeat 10-15 times at each training session so whole grapes are too big even for a greedy Alex! I train when he's hungry too. Use treats he doesn't have in his normal food.

When he's "begging" which means repeating the behaviour lots so he gets a treat you can add in a verbal or action cue. Now you only give a treat when he does the behaviour after your cue! I'm a total geek so I love all this stuff!!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Jottlebot For This Useful Post:
Aij615 (05-20-2017)
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 05-19-2017, 03:15 PM
DerTier's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Pierce cty wa usa
Thanks: 50
Thanked 75 Times in 55 Posts
DerTier is on a distinguished road
Re: Does it hurt ?

there are great articles about clicker training online, it applies to all species, even bugs and humans
Karen Pryor is the one who brought this technique from whales and other cetaceans to dogs, and chickens, and everything else. Her stuff is all amazing, and i have several of her dog training books as I started training animals with dogs Worth the buy even for birds as its universal. In humans they call it TAG training but its the same thing :P
__________________
Newbie bird owner
"Nibbler" the Green Cheeked Conure
~I'm mobile sorry for any typos or slow responses
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 05-19-2017, 08:07 PM
Inger's Avatar
Supporting Member
Parrots:
Bumble - Pacific (or Celestial) Parrotlet hatched 02/19/17
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Everett, WA
Thanks: 1,354
Thanked 442 Times in 266 Posts
Inger is on a distinguished road
Does it hurt ?

I use my voice to mark the behavior because I can't imagine managing the clicker, the target, the bird, and the treat with my two hands. What's cute is that now when Bumble knows she's performed the behavior I want, she'll often chirp - also marking the behavior with her voice.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
Reply

Lower Navigation
Go Back   Parrot Forum - Parrot Owner's Community > Species Specific > Alexandrines
Remove Ads

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hurt Toe trinity1138 Lovebirds 2 10-04-2016 02:34 PM
They hurt her Piasa General Health Care 13 03-09-2016 02:18 PM
I am not sure if he will hurt them Ria Budgies/Parakeets 10 01-06-2012 09:49 PM
Hurt toe JOJO Questions and Answers 4 06-04-2011 11:57 PM
Kix hurt his leg... :( Cecilia Lovebirds 3 05-11-2011 04:44 PM




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright ©2005 - 2009, Parrot Forums.com