sexing!

Well this afternoon Phoebus was sitting next to me and preening herself and me from time to time... So when I preened her I went slowly down to her belly and reached the pelvic bone because I had read that if it is a female who has layed eggs it should be spread...

Well it is...almost a finger wide open....

Is this method reliable for amazons?

God knows how old my baby can be, since the idiot I got her from thought of her to be a male which means she had layed eggs long before he got her...

Wish I could get near Pooh's belly.... or wings for that matter. I am working on it though

Then try to touch him when he preens, parrots let their mates preen them, go very slowly with one finger, touch him very softly and start touching his feathers one by one,hopefully he will let you ....

If not do not push him and try it some other day again...

I just wrap his beak in duct tape, with a little bit of super glue and several rubber bands; if I need to see under his wings (to check his chewing)

I just wrap his beak in duct tape, with a little bit of super glue and several rubber bands; if I need to see under his wings (to check his chewing)

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You are joking of course!C'mon, is he a parrot or a lion? :18:

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You are joking of course!C'mon, is he a parrot or a lion? :18:

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An alligator!!!!

pheobus said:

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You are joking of course!C'mon, is he a parrot or a lion? :18:

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There's the body and then there's that alien being "the beak." No scientific name for it but the closest identifiable depiction comes from the movie "Alien."

(I too, am assuming that the duct tape/rubberband/superglue, is a joke. For the record...)

On topic, have you asked for a blood test to determine gender? Markings, body type, etc. in most cases are not 100%. When I had Keupi's done, it cost about $75. It didn't matter to me whether he (and he's a he) was male or female in regards to characteristics (they don't read books). It did matter, though, regarding egg-laying/egg-bound. As some females asexually produce eggs, if he had been a she than I wanted to know so I could be on the lookout for problems.

On topic, have you asked for a blood test to determine gender? Markings, body type, etc. in most cases are not 100%. When I had Keupi's done, it cost about $75. It didn't matter to me whether he (and he's a he) was male or female in regards to characteristics (they don't read books). It did matter, though, regarding egg-laying/egg-bound. As some females asexually produce eggs, if he had been a she than I wanted to know so I could be on the lookout for problems.

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Yes I had asked the vet once and he said that such a thing can not be done here in Greece and that the blood sample would have to be sent to Germany.Why should I rely on all these people who are mixed all the way till the result and they would not just trick me and give me a gender they like him/her to be?I mean that's a long way for a blood sample to go and the money is about 80 euros which should be something like 100+ $.
I feel very mixed up in my mind right now, I don't know what to think of!

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Yes I had asked the vet once and he said that such a thing can not be done here in Greece and that the blood sample would have to be sent to Germany.Why should I rely on all these people who are mixed all the way till the result and they would not just trick me and give me a gender they like him/her to be?I mean that's a long way for a blood sample to go and the money is about 80 euros which should be something like 100+ $.
I feel very mixed up in my mind right now, I don't know what to think of!

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Sorry - I didn't realize you were in Greece and therefore had different options. My bad!!

There's another way to plant your feet on a gender - your gut. What do you think? Most fid parents have a good idea as to the gender and the blood test only confirms the sense.

Here's an example - my "first" parakeet Scrappy had a blue cere for most of her life (she lived to age 9). While everyone said that meant male, I knew she was a she and always referred to her as a her. About age 6, the cere went brown and she layed an egg.

So, if you're on the fence, what does your gut tell you? You're probably right.

I lean towards a female from most of the ''signs'', female mating behaviour, taking female position in it towards me, she is good tempered-female amazons are supposed to be, though YCA like mine are known for this-exept for Iggy of course, but ''she'' does the goose sound call which is supposed to be a male call towards his mate (but can be learned and to copy by females), spreads ''her'' tail a lot when showing off which is a bit more regular in males and now it's the pelvic bone!

Really I don't know what to think of after all .....

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I lean towards a female from most of the ''signs'', female mating behaviour, taking female position in it towards me, she is good tempered-female amazons are supposed to be, though YCA like mine are known for this-exept for Iggy of course, but ''she'' does the goose sound call which is supposed to be a male call towards his mate (but can be learned and to copy by females), spreads ''her'' tail a lot when showing off which is a bit more regular in males and now it's the pelvic bone!

Really I don't know what to think of after all .....

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Don't think. It's not worth the stress. If she's a female that was treated as a male and around other males, then the displays she's showing could mimic them.

The happy medium is that you have a delightful fid. Be aware of the egg issue for health reasons, and otherwise it doesn't matter.

(I too, am assuming that the duct tape/rubberband/superglue, is a joke. For the record...)

This is Chi we are talking about, she's not joking. :04:

(To all the animal cruelty people looking in, she is really joking........................ we think)

I would also go with your gut instinct, but if you really want it done you can get in touch with avian biotech, and you can get them to do it.

http://www.avianbiotech.com/

If you click on the free collection kit, they send you all the bits you need. What currency do you use there?

Our vet said that the pelvic bone theory is reliable in "proven" hens ... but, if you have a bird that has a wide gap, I wouldn't be surprised if you have an "XX" gene in there!

YCA like mine are known for this-exept for Iggy of course

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Um...yea, I always read how YCA are such sweet Amazons, unlike the "terrible" hot three...ppsshhhhh, tell that to my scarred hands.

OMG while I have Mr. Pooh-Bird all wrapped up, yesterday, (in a towel ) I desided to have a feel... and wow, i have two things to saw... 1) I have no idea what that heck you guys are feeling for (and I have nothing to compare what I felt too) lol and 2) that bone of Cricket makes me double think about his landing style. It feels like that thing could be easly broken... I have heard of the breast bones braking or at least cuting the skin on impact but what about the other bone man if you guys could see the way my bird lands... you would be worried too


*before any of you ask I will state again that Pooh has been clipped, i am trying to get the feathers back in; but, so far, with his chewing on them I only have 2 flight feathers and they are the same wing.... and so far the feathers arn't doing anything for his ability to land flat on his face and bounce a few times.

I would also go with your gut instinct, but if you really want it done you can get in touch with avian biotech, and you can get them to do it.

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Thanks a lot Peta for this helpfull link!

I was only thinking what can my birdy have gone through considering she is a hen and since and if she has indeed layed eggs before being captured what stress would that be for her, loosing her mate and maybe nest...I was feeling very bad and a lot of guilt about her yesterday , today I saw things more clearly and thought how lucky she was in her big misfortune that I got her just in time, the vet had said that it would have been a matter of days for her,if I got her days later.... she was ready to have serious pneumonia...
Sex doesn't really matter to me, it would change nothing knowing it, maybe I'll give it a try some time in the long future, which I hope will be long!

Chi what you can really do so that Pooh doesn't get hurt is to make the room he is free in a bit more safer for him, I mean using those gym matresses maybe just for when he is out, or not letting him fly if that is possible until he grows back his flights..

1) I have no idea what that heck you guys are feeling for (and I have nothing to compare what I felt too) lol

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If the bone down in his tammy is pointed like two small bones meeting then that declares a male, if they have a gap between them, not meet at their ends, then it's a girl.But you shouldn't bother since little Pooh has been DNA sexed!

But you shouldn't bother since little Pooh has been DNA sexed!

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I know... but I thought I would cop-a-feel anyways