I need a sincere advice on these parrots please- Is it mealy or yellow naped

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Hey,

I hope that all of you are fine and doing well. I'm impressed with the amazons personality and abilities and I consider myself have the enough experience to raise an amazon as I currently have a macaw and an eclectus.

Amazons are even more rare than macaws and other type of parrots and it costs a lot in my country for a double yellow headed or a yellow naped amazon they range between $3000 - $4000 (USD) each. Nobody is breeding them in my country so all of the available ones are imported from France and Belgium. The double yellow headed that I saw have a closed ring with a cites with their leg band numbering and id etc, The yellow naped ones don't have a closed ring, Instead they are microshipped and the microship # is there on their cites certs too. I'm sorry for the long introduction I'm just seeking a sincere advice on the following one before getting it, I did my homework, lots of researches and so on.

I'm interested of getting the following parrot, I'm just a bit worried as I couldn't identify the type of it whether it's a yellow naped or a mealy amazon? I've googled both, lots of youtibe videos, The eye ring I can't see it on the most yellow naped ones, While it doesn't look similar to mealy, I mean the eye ring. I've took few pictures and a video of the bird and I wanted to get your sincere advices before going ahead and geting that bird, I just don't want a trader/an importer to trick/cheat on me. I really appreciate your help. Thanks all in advance.


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http://imageshack.us/a/img600/213/img2013020600142.jpg
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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-eqnhkP9Fgc"]VID 20130206 00000 - YouTube[/ame]


Sorry for the video quality as I captured it using my BB, I've uploaded the video which has a better quality when it's played on a computer
 
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How old is the bird? I have a yellow nape so the bird looks similar to the one on video. There is no yellow on the nape you are showing so knowing the age is important.
 
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Hello Merlee,

Thanks for your attention. The cites says it was born/hatched on may 1st 2012 so it's almost 9 months old. There is a small yellow/blue splash almost 2 feathers or so on the head which is confusing me whether it's a yellow nape, mealy or an orange winged amazon, It doesn't look like orange winged nor to the mealies that I've googled and saw on youtube (particular the white eye ring) just still confused. I really appreciate your help. Thanks
 
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Hey and welcome to the forum. I can't say it's a mealy but it could be a hybrid it's still a young bird. Is there a difference in price for YNA/DYH versus Mealy ? How much does it weigh? Young DYH/YNA shouldn't weigh much over 500 grams at weaning, A mealy could weigh much more , However weight is not the best method of IDing species. After a second look, The photo is kind of washed out with light, the eye ring doesn't stand out and the beak screams YNA. Can you take your pick of babies or do you order and get what you get?
 
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Hey and welcome to the forum. I can't say it's a mealy but it could be a hybrid it's still a young bird. Is there a difference in price for YNA/DYH versus Mealy ? How much does it weigh? Young DYH/YNA shouldn't weigh much over 500 grams at weaning, A mealy could weigh much more , However weight is not the best method of IDing species. After a second look, The photo is kind of washed out with light, the eye ring doesn't stand out and the beak screams YNA. Can you take your pick of babies or do you order and get what you get?

Hey henpecked, Thanks for welcoming, I appreciate it.

1- Yes, There is a huge difference between their prices, YNA costs more than DYH and less for the other types/species.

2- I'm not sure about the wieght unfortunately.

3- Yes, It's get what you get :) However, I've the option to get it or not. This importer showed me the cites certs etc, So, in your opinion is it 100% a yellow naped or it still could be a hybrid? Just want to be sure before throwing $4000 on a hybrid :)

Regarding the photos, Sorry for the quality of it as i took it using my mobile, I've uploaded a video to youtube above. Also, It has almost the same bluish splash as the one Merlee posted 9-month old yellow-naped Amazon parrot | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

I really appreciate your help. Sincerely.
 

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Wow, that's a lot of money for a bird. I am curious what you get for that price. Was it handfed or handled by the breeder?
 

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I looked at the photos/video again, and vote YNA. It could be hybrid but don't see any real evidence. If it has a couple of red feathers at the wing bend and feet colored the same as the beak ,i'd say Nape. I think you said it had a couple of yellow feathers, Where? There are 2 more common subspecies of YNA aruopillatia and parvipes (at least here in the US), parvipes usually have more yellow,more red in the bend of wing, smaller feet, and weigh slightly less. I've seen auropillatia that don't develop yellow on the head/nape until maturity (5=7 yrs). IMO if your happy with the disposition of the bird, then it looks enough like a nape to be a nape. Just my .02 worth
 
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Wow, that's a lot of money for a bird. I am curious what you get for that price. Was it handfed or handled by the breeder?


Hey Merlee,

Yes, It's. Yes, it's somewhat is tame but not 100%, It was shipped from France > Egypt which is my country so it could be a bit frightened from the travel, However, It said few words when I met the bird in person while taking those pics.
 
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I looked at the photos/video again, and vote YNA. It could be hybrid but don't see any real evidence. If it has a couple of red feathers at the wing bend and feet colored the same as the beak ,i'd say Nape. I think you said it had a couple of yellow feathers, Where? There are 2 more common subspecies of YNA aruopillatia and parvipes (at least here in the US), parvipes usually have more yellow,more red in the bend of wing, smaller feet, and weigh slightly less. I've seen auropillatia that don't develop yellow on the head/nape until maturity (5=7 yrs). IMO if your happy with the disposition of the bird, then it looks enough like a nape to be a nape. Just my .02 worth

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Thanks a lot for looking into it again. Yes, There are almost 2-4 yellow and bluish small feathers on the head that's visible in the video, The cites says it's aruopillatia, Actually I didn't see any red feathers on bends.
 

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Wow, what a distance to travel. Moody, please do an introduction in the Welcome section. I think it's awesome to have members from around the world. Your English is very good. I have a blue and gold macaw as well as a yellow nape.
 
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Hello Guys,

While you are on this thread, Can you please take a look at this one for me, It's 8 months old and has a closed ring, Is it a young DYH or a yellow crowned please? From the beak color etc it looks to be a DYH baby, Can you please let me know your thoughts on this one as well. I really appreciate all of your help. Thanks

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJuzaFx_bOk&feature=youtu.be"]VID 20130206 00001 - YouTube[/ame]
 

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You would have to look for the red feathers, not always obvious .
 

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Wow, your really putting me on the spot here,LOL. From that vid, i guess DYH. The feet didn't look right and the beak appears to be a bit grayish, but it's a video, not the same as a "bird in hand". Chances are ,that's a DYH.
 
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Wow, your really putting me on the spot here,LOL. From that vid, i guess DYH. The feet didn't look right and the beak appears to be a bit grayish, but it's a video, not the same as a "bird in hand". Chances are ,that's a DYH.

lol, I didn't mean to use you sorry ;) I'm just doing my homework and comparing before getting the best companion to join my flock of B&G macaw and a male eclectus.

Note: Sorry, But what is wrong with the feet please? So, This one is 100% DYH or could be a hybrid as well? Sorry for my amazon-nope q's. Sincerely,
 

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I thought of yellow crown but it has too much color at the bend of wing, IMO. The beak and feet should be "bone " colored. No gray or dark areas. The cere (above beak) should be white/bone colored. This would be gray in YCA,YNA.
 

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It's hard to say from the amount of yellow on any of them. I go more with the other characteristics. See the differnce in color of the beak ,cere and feet in Codies picture and the vid of the DYH ? The YCs don't seem to have the color in the bend of wing that the DYHs have. Yes the DYHs will have a lot more yellow on the head as they mature. Typically PANs and DYHs are hard for me when immature, they look so much alike and the wing bend is often the best indicator for me. I think you'll also see more "color" on the thighs of DYH then on YC.
 

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The first pictures and videos you posted, I'd say that's a Yellow Nape Amazon, and the second video looks to be a Double Yellow Head Amazon to me. :)

Both GREAT birds IMHO...I'm a bit biased though, I've got them both. ;)
 

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Here is a picture of both of mine. The Yellow Nape is going on 14 years, and the DYH is 9 months in that picture.

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