Health concerns in my BFA (Am I being paranoid?)

Starwing

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Hello everyone! I recently joined ParrotForums after stalking the boards quite a while, seeing as how many enthousiastic and especially contribute to this community.

I am 25 years old and have "owned" my fathers :green: up until a year or 7 ago when it perished due to old age. My father, at the time, being a 15-year old son of an inlandskipper, traded his stamp collection with a Brazillian sailor for a, at the time still, adult :green:he called Kobus.

My father, coming of age, met my mother and married her, and sadly, Kobus was left at the ship of my grandparents in a fight.

When my grandparents died, my father was not at good terms with them due to these personal circumstances, and my grandfather attempted to exclude him from his will.

This happened when my father was about 35. At the time, I was 7.
My father received a phonecall from a notary informing him of this, and also mentioning that my father, despite my grandfathers attempts to exclude him from his will, was to receive a rightful share of the inheritance.

My father refused, however, yet asked that if Kobus was still alive, he wanted the bird, since he never had the chance to take him back.

Kobus, roughly 20 years later, was still alive and kicking, and I was 7 when I saw my very first :green:.

Due to the long time passed, Kobus didn't recognise my father and was very hostile towards him. He would not be able to even come near to him, and would get attacked after even coming close.

From the get-go, however, I could pretty much approach him (gradually less) carefully, and grew into taking care of him.

This evolved into a longlasting friendship, and ever since Kobus died about 7 years ago, I have been missing the kind of company ol' Kobus would provide.

Last year in the August of 2013, a day before my birthday my girlfriends sister notified me that an old colleague of her was selling her bird, and it "really looked a lot like how I described my parrot".

I looked up the ad on the internet, and indeed found it to be a 4-year old :green: named Kobus. I was, obviously, instantly in love, and got to pick (initially him, but we would later find out) her up the next day, on my birthday.

She has been living with us for nearly a year now, and I have already come to love her to death. It has been a little scary in the beginning, since it has been quite a while for me, handling a bird of this "calibre" and with the little lacks of confidences that come with now becoming an adult man with responsibilities.

Since I was "rediscovering" being owned by a parrot, I have been reading into a lot of health issues and ways to keep our little princess in tiptop shape.

Unfortunately, I sometimes read into something too much, and tend to get freaked out by possible diseases, illnesses and other dangers to the wellbeing of my feathered little friend.

I am afraid this was shortly after discovering the existence of the terrible disease that is PFBD, and I have read absolutely heartwrenching stories of people having to see their beloved companion suffer.

Coincidence had it that shortly after reading this story, I found a rather disturbing feather, wich I later discovered, with the help of my girlfriend, was just chomped on by our dog after our parrot dropped it.

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At the time I did not know this, and I was absolutely freaked out, the horrors of real people with real birds and real stories still fresh in mind.

Probably still a little shaken by a combination of this, I soon started to look for other "anomalies" that should not be there, and decided I found her beak to be a little "flaky". I have read that a flaky beak is nothing to be concerned of since it grows continiously, much like our nails, but some very light brownish discoloration still bugged me;
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Since Kobus currently seems to be molting, and her grooming her feathers more than usually SHOULDN'T be much of a concern, I still felt that she would groom her feathers quite much, and especially her belly (of which I read some implications as well) would receive quite much of her attention.

Furthermore, I decided that showering regularly would at least ease her molting phase, and so I decided to increase the frequency of splashing her with a nice shower of spray water. I was amazed at the amount of down between her feathers, and I suddenly found myself questioning how normal THIS was, since I also read some stuff about THAT.


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With her being absolutely soaked, it was a lot easier for me to see some new feathers, and I wondered if the little feathers growing from her legs were normal of shape, or would still "form fully" later.

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Kobus has dropped quite some feathers (not, I think, abnormally much, and quite evenly divided at that) and a big downy feather at her back catched my eye. When she flies, or when she spreads her wings sitting, you can really see her big "feathers" along with the pens, that make her plumage look a bit "scarce", nowhere bald, but those big white pens seem so lonely and uncanny..

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Since I tend to become overprotective of my loveables quite easily, I am sure I might be prone to some paranoid wild-goose-chasing, but after seeing how many kind and experienced people dwell on these forums, I realised the best way to get quality feedback (and hopefully calm my nerves) wasn't to look for scary stories and pictures on the internet and later comparing them to my own parrot, but instead posting my story, and pictures of my own parrot here! Am I worrying for nothing? Are there other visible signs of health concerns I should be aware of and should look after with dietary variations?

I stopped giving my parrot "just" regular food usually consisting of a mix of seeds, and mixing it up with cooked egg (as I read here!) to help her to regain and retain a healthy plumage, I already shared a lot of my fruit with her (she is especially bananas for bananas!) and also give her a daily dosage of veggies that she really likes anyways! I also add some vitamin drops to her water regularly, along with some additional drops meant to protect against infections some more.

I took Kobus to a pet store run by an expert on Amazon parrots that I remembered as a family friend when I was still a child, to make sure her nails weren't growing too long (who also told us that she suspected our Kobus might be a girl judgeing by her relatively slender shape at the time), but after discovering of this disease, I am pretty sure I will never take her to any other place that has or might have had other parrots or psittacines!

Thanks so much for your reactions!
(EDIT: And also sorry for the somewhat long post!)
 
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Birdman666

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Yes. You are being paranoid. Her feathers look fine.

Has she been exposed to another bird with PBFD?! If NOT, as a captive bird, it's unlikely that she will ever catch it.

And mine go out and about all the time. Does locking them up, away from the world, really make them live longer, or does it just SEEM longer because they aren't getting enough stimulation.

The big thing with amazons is vitamin A deficiencies. So, make sure they get fed fresh vitamin A rich foods...
 
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Kiwibird

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She looks so healthy, her feathers appear to be glowing:) You better not let my Kiwi see your pretty girl or there could be some issues:eek:(he's a big male BFA lol). Jokes aside, that is not a "sick" bird appearance. She has nice bright eyes and clear nasal passages. Her plumage is very healthy looking. Those are pin feathers on her legs BTW. They are just immature new feathers still growing in and are encased in a sheath until they are fully formed. She will preen off the casing when the feather is ready. Even her beak looks fine. That's a normal, 'all natural' beak. Birds in pet stores have had their beaks groomed and oiled by humans to look perfectly smooth and polished which makes a natural, flaky, chippy beak appear kind of bad looking.

I would suggest since it doesn't sound like you have yet to take her to a good avian vet for a wellness checkup. She will have her blood drawn and a fecal sample taken to be checked for disease, but more importantly, will be checked for vitamin deficiencies. Amazons are prone to nutritional deficiencies, and more zons become ill due to dietary issues than communicable diseases. The sooner a vet can declare her healthy, the better for you so you can stop worrying so much (we all do it, you aren't alone;)). And IF there were a issue, the sooner it's identified, the easier it is to treat and less potential for irreversible damage.

Also wanted to add- the vet can groom her beak if you'd like. It isn't necessary, but not painful to her.
 
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Yes. You are being paranoid. Her feathers look fine.

Has she been exposed to another bird with PBFD?! If NOT, as a captive bird, it's unlikely that she will ever catch it.

And mine go out and about all the time. Does locking them up, away from the world, really make them live longer, or does it just SEEM longer because they aren't getting enough stimulation.

The big thing with amazons is vitamin A deficiencies. So, make sure they get fed fresh vitamin A rich foods...


Thanks, I really needed (and was hoping) to hear this!
Kobus hasn't been exposed to many birds in her life, she used to share a cage with an African Grey with the people we bought her from.

We deciced to buy another cage for her, mostly because that came with her when we bought her, although providing a LOT of space, was actually a cage fit for two adult macaws and took an awful lot of space in our not so huge living room. I am now extra happy that I decided to buy a "fresh" new cage for her, ofcourse.

My neighbor used to own two cockatiels, and decided to buy another set of them.
Unfortunately, one of the new couple turned quite dominant, and my neighbor seperated him from the other three. I quickly saw the stress coming from this deteriorate the birds condition due to stress, and it would pluck itself bald, and keep calling out to the other cockatiels. It was quite sad, and the bird died after my neighbors father killed ("euthanized") him.

I did NOT agree with this one bit, since I explicitly told him that I assumed the birds condition had mostly to do with stress and there could've been a lot done to improve it's condition.

As an experiment, and because I felt so sorry for the bird, I had the bird in my house for one day, and it seemed less "fixated" to calling out to his buddies. Our Kobus also seemed delighted by this new visitor, but in such a manner that she would seem somewhat agressive towards us. I did not like this outlook, and decided that, however sad I found the cockatiels situation, I didn't want to risk deteriorating the bond with mý bird.

My neighbors other 3 cockatiels are still alive and kicking today, and seem in pristine condition. Their plumage is nothing short of immaculate and they are healthy and happy. I am, therefore, somewhat quick to dispose of the idea that the other little cockatiel might have been sick in this manner. This is moreso, because before the behavioral problems with poor number four started, he too had a nice full plumage and no deformations in his new and dropped feathers whatsoever.

All in all, Kobus has had véry little contact with any other birds in her stay with us, and with the knowledge I now have, intend to continue this habit with new intent.

That being said, I do spend a lot of time with her when I'm out of work, and my girlfriend spends most time with her when I am AT work. She gets to fly and frolick around our house quite a bit, and I try to
get in that extra bit of exercise every now and again. That isn't very hard though, since whenever it's time to go to bed and I want to cage her for the night (I found out I can't really trust her in her freedom
at night, and more than once have I caught her climbing around the house, luckily before anything bad happened) she tries to fly away for a small bit so I have to come get her and try again a couple of times.


She looks so healthy, her feathers appear to be glowing:) That is not a "sick" bird appearance. She has nice bright eyes and clear nasal passages. Her plumage is very healthy looking. Those are pin feathers on her legs BTW. They are just immature new feathers still growing in and are encased in a sheath until they are fully formed. She will preen off the casing when the feather is ready. Even her beak looks fine. That's a normal, 'all natural' beak. Birds in pet stores have had their beaks groomed and oiled by humans to look perfectly smooth and polished which makes a natural, flaky, chippy beak appear kind of bad looking.

I would suggest since it doesn't sound like you have yet to take her to a good avian vet for a wellness checkup. She will have her blood drawn and a fecal sample taken to be checked for disease, but more importantly, will be checked for vitamin deficiencies. Amazons are prone to nutritional deficiencies, and more zons become ill due to dietary issues than communicable diseases. The sooner a vet can declare her healthy, the better for you so you can stop worrying so much (we all do it, you aren't alone;)). And IF there were a issue, the sooner it's identified, the easier it is to treat and less potential for irreversible damage.

Also wanted to add- the vet can groom her beak if you'd like. It isn't necessary, but not painful to her.

It's probably a silly question, but are there risks to transporting your bird to an avian vet if there might have been sick birds there?
I am sure they take a lot of precautions, but there aren't a lot of specialised avian vets around (rather than "plain" allround-vets that have a lot of animals come over)

In any case I am really happy that people more knowledgeable and experienced than me are here to confirm that nothing seems to be wrong and my concerns are unneccessary. Becoming part of a community like this already turned out to be a great choice :)

Thanks so much to the both of you!

EDIT: By the way, what are the most sensible foods I can get our Kobus to get those vitamins in her tummy?
I can find ton of fruits and veggies containing them, but I am unsure of how suitable some of them are?
I am aware that Avocado's are absolutely lethal for parrots, but what about stuff like peppers, boiled eggs and
tiny bits of cheese every now and then (not on a regular basis ofcourse, she's a real foodie ;) )

I already gave her carrots, which she seems to enjoy thoroughly, and same goes for the occassional slice of boiled egg.
What do you give your parrots on a daily basis, and should I trade in my "regular" parrot food for pellets (have tried
to transition her to these for about a week or two, but she really wouldn't have it and become verry irritable with us)?
 
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Birdman666

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There are risks associated with everything, including breathing...

But the alternative (not breathing) is riskiest of all...

There is a balance between risk and reward that has to be achieved.

Locking them away from the world isn't the answer, because, over the long term, it causes mental problems and adjustment issues. NOT taking them places like bird fairs where they could be exposed to disease?! Probably a good idea.

By not having a well birdie exam about once every two years, the vet doesn't have a baseline on your bird, and that could delay a diagnosis when your bird really does become ill.

My birds used to come with me to the rescue, where there were 350 other birds. (However, they did not go anywhere near the quarantine room.) If proper quarantine procedures have been followed, the birds they are playing with have not been exposed, so the likelihood of them having or passing along contagens is actually fairly slight... but it is theoretically possible.

You can reduce the risk, but nothing can eliminate the risks entirely. Not even a plastic bubble!

BUT I ALSO SKYDIVE... SO I DO TEND TO LOOK AT THE WORLD A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY, AND TAKE MORE RISKS THAN A LOT OF FOLKS DO.
 

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Welcome! I enjoyed reading your story about the first Kobus the :green: lol.

Although you can't tell by looking at a bird if they have a disease, chances are she's absolutely fine. When you're around the bird community long enough, you do hear about this and other diseases, but just take normal precautions and don't overly worry.
Any time you get a new bird from anywhere, you should get a complete physical at an avian vet for a blood panel, fecal, and the available disease testing, as standard 'new bird protocol' anyway.

Looking forward to more stories about the newer Kobus :) Many other Amazon people here for you as well!
 

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There are risks associated with everything, including breathing...

But the alternative (not breathing) is riskiest of all...

There is a balance between risk and reward that has to be achieved.

Locking them away from the world isn't the answer, because, over the long term, it causes mental problems and adjustment issues. NOT taking them places like bird fairs where they could be exposed to disease?! Probably a good idea.

By not having a well birdie exam about once every two years, the vet doesn't have a baseline on your bird, and that could delay a diagnosis when your bird really does become ill.

My birds used to come with me to the rescue, where there were 350 other birds. (However, they did not go anywhere near the quarantine room.) If proper quarantine procedures have been followed, the birds they are playing with have not been exposed, so the likelihood of them having or passing along contagens is actually fairly slight... but it is theoretically possible.

You can reduce the risk, but nothing can eliminate the risks entirely. Not even a plastic bubble!

BUT I ALSO SKYDIVE... SO I DO TEND TO LOOK AT THE WORLD A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY, AND TAKE MORE RISKS THAN A LOT OF FOLKS DO.

Great way to put it into perspective!! :)

You know how many people you hear of these days getting killed just by driving their cars? Especially in crowded So Cal? Well, my loved ones and I can't just stop driving....
I honestly feel regarding things that we have no control over, is that if something 'bad' happens (or if the bad is circumvented before it happens) it's all MEANT TO BE.
 

Birdman666

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Great way to put it into perspective!! :)

You know how many people you hear of these days getting killed just by driving their cars? Especially in crowded So Cal? Well, my loved ones and I can't just stop driving....
I honestly feel regarding things that we have no control over, is that if something 'bad' happens (or if the bad is circumvented before it happens) it's all MEANT TO BE.

Well, that's always been one of my arguments. People die in car accidents every day, but you're still going to get in your car and drive home from work, right?!

BECAUSE driving, like everything else is as risky or as safe as YOU make it.

If you're an aggressive driver, or you are reckless, or a drinker, or a cell phone junkie, it's considerably more dangerous than it is for the rest of us "normal people." (Not sure that phrase actually applies to me!)
 
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Great way to put it into perspective!! :)

You know how many people you hear of these days getting killed just by driving their cars? Especially in crowded So Cal? Well, my loved ones and I can't just stop driving....
I honestly feel regarding things that we have no control over, is that if something 'bad' happens (or if the bad is circumvented before it happens) it's all MEANT TO BE.

Well, that's always been one of my arguments. People die in car accidents every day, but you're still going to get in your car and drive home from work, right?!

BECAUSE driving, like everything else is as risky or as safe as YOU make it.

If you're an aggressive driver, or you are reckless, or a drinker, or a cell phone junkie, it's considerably more dangerous than it is for the rest of us "normal people." (Not sure that phrase actually applies to me!)

I can relate to you in this! Truth is, although I don't skydive :D , I tend to worry for the lives of those around me, notably my animals because I want to keep them safe more than anything, more than my own! I wish I'd have the guts for something like that though ;)
 

Birdman666

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It has less to do with guts, and more to do with a genuine love of flying... honestly, I don't find it to be frightening AT ALL...

It's actually the purest form of flying I've found, (and I say that only because I haven't earned my wing suit rating yet, but I am working on it!)
 

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