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Old 02-13-2015, 08:57 PM
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Sneaky and Cheeky!

I had Kiwi on my arm and we ventured into the kitchen where my hubby was. I raised my arm so Kiwi could kiss Joe, and what does that sneaky little bird do? Kisses him and scoots right up my arm onto my shoulder Then he made a high pitched "weeeet" noise right in my ear and did the fluffy feather shake of happiness Kiwi has never been allowed on my shoulder, as he has bit my face multiple times (not for several years though). He is only allowed near my face for kisses, where I can clearly see what he's doing and clearly read his body language (which I can't do as well on my shoulder). Being he was quite content up there and didn't appear agitated, I walked calmly back to his cage and let him hop off.

Thankfully no new piercings for me tonight! Not sure if I want him up there again though... It's getting kind of hard with Kiwi, and right now we're kind of at a crossroads with him. When we first got him, it became apparent quickly he needed very strict, clear "guidelines" of what he could or could not do for our protection and his. Shouldering was a definitive "no", but so was being out of his cage unsupervised (and now he's pretty free range). As he has grown more comfortable with us and is proving himself to be a very smart and loyal bird, the lines between yes and no are getting blurred a bit. Kind of trying to reassess how to proceed with certain interactions I did not allow before as he clearly becomes more friendly and less dangerous. I really wasn't concerned he would bite me while on my shoulder. He was so calm and happy. I still somewhat fear ear and nose amputation though. So hard to be on the fence about the intactness of my face weighed against a better bond with my bird
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Old 02-13-2015, 09:23 PM
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Re: Sneaky and Cheeky!

FWIW I think you can have just as close a bond without letting them on your shoulder.
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Old 02-13-2015, 09:38 PM
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Re: Sneaky and Cheeky!

Hm, that's a hard one April. I tend to agree with Karen. Then on the other hand, you hear of many people who do shoulder Amazons and mature male Toos, etc.

I've always been pretty wary of shouldering also. I've been relaxing a bit with Robin and Griffin when they "accidentally" go up there every now and then even though Poi's bite pretty easily, whether it's from displacement, agitation, if they don't want you to remove them, or just because they feel like it! I usually only let them up there for a few minutes and not often.

Then Raven the Pionus really doesn't want much to do with me, but occasionally will sit on my arm. He's been pretty unpredictable with me for many months now off and on, as he's feeling hormones for the first time. So he's not a good shoulder bird for me either (he only loves his daddy, and is territorial toward me).

What does Joe think of having Kiwi on his shoulder? Does he do it since he's Kiwi's favorite?

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Re: Sneaky and Cheeky!

If it doesn't freak kiwi out too much what about wearing ear muffs when he is on your shoulder? Maybe that would give you confidence since you would have a little protection and more reaction time. Where I live you can get them at the dollar store.
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Old 02-14-2015, 08:48 AM
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Re: Sneaky and Cheeky!

Glad to know I'm not the only one who doesn't shoulder. It kind of makes me feel like a bad owner sometimes, but I like him better where I can see him.

Julie- Joe occasionally lets Kiwi on his shoulder and he hangs out up there perfectly happy.
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Re: Sneaky and Cheeky!

No one here goes on my shoulder, not even Brady who adores me. I can't see them up there and I feel like I am not interacting when a bird is on my shoulder I am just providing a ride. I want to see their face and them to see mine. When we play it is done sitting down together, on the bed, on a floor with a blanket (no carpet in my house). I do have java trees in almost every room in the house but the kitchen so that they can hang out with me where ever I am.
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Re: Sneaky and Cheeky!

Quote: Originally Posted by gracebowen View Post
If it doesn't freak kiwi out too much what about wearing ear muffs when he is on your shoulder? Maybe that would give you confidence since you would have a little protection and more reaction time. Where I live you can get them at the dollar store.
Am sooo glad that where I live, folks don't even know what ear muffs are!
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Old 02-14-2015, 11:29 AM
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Re: Sneaky and Cheeky!

Funny, Sammy (in my avatar) prefers to be on my shoulder, and seems to feel safe & secure there. If I'm just sitting and reading, he tucks his head under his wing, retracts one landing gear, and goes to sleep. If I'm walking around, he leans against my ear & happily rides around, taking in the passing sights in the house.

We currently have 7 parrot-species birds in our flock, and all of them are shoulder birds. The only issue we've ever had in the years we've been doing this is that my wife can't wear earrings...for obvious reasons ("Oooh, look! A shiny, dangly toy! For ME??"). Perhaps the fact that we've never had a problem with shouldering means we're not nervous with them up there, and they sense that?
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Old 02-14-2015, 03:49 PM
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Re: Sneaky and Cheeky!

I have just recently been allowing Sassy on my shoulder and only when I know what kind of mood she's in. Cisco is the only one who is always allowed on my shoulder as he is the only one I trust completely to be there. Sassy has never bit me while on my shoulder, but still, better safe than sorry.
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Old 02-14-2015, 04:34 PM
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Re: Sneaky and Cheeky!

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Funny, Sammy (in my avatar) prefers to be on my shoulder, and seems to feel safe & secure there. If I'm just sitting and reading, he tucks his head under his wing, retracts one landing gear, and goes to sleep. If I'm walking around, he leans against my ear & happily rides around, taking in the passing sights in the house.

We currently have 7 parrot-species birds in our flock, and all of them are shoulder birds. The only issue we've ever had in the years we've been doing this is that my wife can't wear earrings...for obvious reasons ("Oooh, look! A shiny, dangly toy! For ME??"). Perhaps the fact that we've never had a problem with shouldering means we're not nervous with them up there, and they sense that?

Has nothing to do with not feeling nervous. Some birds are more prone to displacement biting and for those types of birds I'd keep them of the shoulder. It only takes once and you could have a serious injury.

My mac is fine on my shoulder, but my female sennie will chomp if she gets startled or if someone else gets too close so she's not allowed on the shoulder. My male sennie is fine unless he's in his feisty moods, so he's only occasionally allowed up there.
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