Help with new White fronted Amazon

asadaliz · Oct 12, 2016

Hi everyone, so I got this new White Fronted Amazon from a local breeder according to him he is less than a year. The bird looked fine on the shop but since I brought him home, he looks scared. will normally sit all the time at corner of the cage and breath heavily when we try to come near him (really heavy) and calms down when we talk to him but gives no response and only keep starting. Eating only apple and few seeds daily ( 20 - 25 seeds to be specific). I feel that he is somehow afraid and do not move from the corner of cage.

I have tried changing cage location, giving him a silent room with no children around, sitting near his cage on a chair and talking many times a day, but nothing seems to be working.

It has been almost five days and I see no progress. he just keep sitting sad on the end of cage corner and eats when hungry. no activity at all. sometimes he makes a small sound when require apple and then sits back silent again.

Any help from experts here would be highly appreciated

Does a WFA require more time to get along with the new family or is it normal behavioral issue in start?

Marileen · Oct 12, 2016

I would NEVER change him for any other bird.
That is pathetic for him......he is going to be sad.
Then he must go change again and it is only getting worse.
You must be proud to have him in your house and that you have the ability
to tame and to learn him everthing.
He is still getting used to though.
But I know that this sometimes can take a long time with some birds.
Please give him the time he needs!!!!!!
It's gonna be allrigt.........you will see!!!!
Good luck!

LeaKP · Oct 12, 2016

5 days is still early days. Please read the behavioural forum for advice, good stuff there.

Anansi · Oct 12, 2016

Hello, and welcome to the Parrot Forums family!

As mentioned above, 5 days is early yet for some birds to achieve any kind of comfort level. Depending on the individual, it could take weeks or even months for him to come around.

But honestly, if I'm reading your post right this is a secondary concern at the moment. How much apple is he eating, if he's only eating 25 seeds a day? If you are saying he's not eating as much as he should, there is reason for concern after 5 days. I would take him in to see an avian vet. (Good idea anyway for a newly acquired bird. A wellness check can establish a good baseline if nothing else for future vet visits.

Do you have a gram scale to weigh him? If not, that is definitely something to look into. I tend to weigh my birds anywhere from daily to at least 2 times a week. Weight is one of the fastest and most reliable indicators of an issue available to us on this side of a vet's office.

What was your WFA eating at the shop? If it's radically different from what you are giving him, that might be causing his drop-off in terms of his appetite. And either way, you should try to increase the variety in his diet. Even if it leads to lots of waste. The hope is for him to always have variety available for the day he finally decides to try something new.

Please keep us updated.

Kiwibird · Oct 12, 2016

Welcome to the forum. Your new birds behavior sounds within the normal range of behavior for such a young bird in a new home. Smaller amazons too are known for being a bit more timid and shy than their larger cousins. It sounds like he is a parent raised bird, which means the parent birds were allowed to care for him with little human contact until he weaned VS being pulled from the nest and being hand raised by humans)? Typically with parent raised birds, they do not just "come" trusting and being interested in humans like hand fed babies. This does NOT mean they are not 'good' birds nor does it mean they have no potential to be good companions! He is probably just very frightened of his new surroundings and family because he has likely not had very much interaction with humans and probably not made many positive associations with humans yet.

First thing, the general recommendation with timid new parrots is to pull up a chair close to their cage and just talk to them in a soothing, calm voice (all members of the family/household do this so he makes positive associations with everyone he'll be living with), which it sounds like you're already doing or trying to do. Do it several times a day for as long as it takes. Once he starts acting a little less frightened, start bringing some food over with you (good way to introduce additional fruits and vegetables, as parrots need a varied diet). Eat the food, and no doubt within a couple days he will start being interested in what your eating. Reward him when he comes closer by offering him some of the food and praise him when he takes it from your hands. The goal with a new bird is to get them comfortable with you from the safety of their cage, THEN move on to working with them so they can start interacting with you and come out of the cage. It can take several weeks for a new bird to start feeling comfortable with you. Have patience and let him come around on his own time scale. He will (they always do with enough patience on our part)

Next, I see you are in Saudi Arabia. I am not sure what all is available over there for parrots, but it is strongly recommended amazons be fed a pelleted diet with lots of fruit and veggies. Seeds are very high in fat and low in nutrition for parrots and a seed diet will drastically reduce his lifespan. If pelleted diets are not readily available, he would need to be transitioned to a fresh foods diet of grains and beans with ample fresh produce. Either way, he needs to be transitioned off seed and onto something more suitable and nutritious. The diet section on this forum has a lot of fantastic advice on how to switch a parrot to a healthier diet gradually and wean them off seed. Also lots of advice on bird safe fruit and veg, so whatever is safe to feed and available locally should be offered and encouraged for him to eat. A proper diet helps a lot in improved temperament, especially with amazons as they get older.

What kind of setup do you have? I know cage size recommendations vary in different parts of the world, but he should have a sizable cage with lots of room to move around. He should also have a variety of perches in different widths, preferably natural or made of rope. Those straight perches frequently included with cages can be quite uncomfortable for them. He will also need toys, which will keep him active and mentally stimulated. If he already has toys and is not interested, it is ok and not uncommon for young and untrained/unsocialized birds to not know what to do with toys and that can be addressed once you start building some trust with him. If he does not have any toys, I suggest providing some as soon as possible. Last, do you have some photos of him, how he's been sitting etc... It would be helpful to see him, especially his eyes if possible. It is not likely but entirely possible this is a much younger bird than you were told and he is not fully weaned, which would lead to not perching properly and not eating much solid foods. Eye color in baby amazons changes as they get a bit older so it would be helpful for us to see him to see if he actually looks to be a year old or potentially younger. If that were the case, there would be some additional steps for you to take.

Edit: As Anasai said, if you can, taking him to see an avian vet would be ideal to be able to see what an expert who can physically examine the bird has to say.

asadaliz · Oct 13, 2016

Anansi said:
Hello, and welcome to the Parrot Forums family!

As mentioned above, 5 days is early yet for some birds to achieve any kind of comfort level. Depending on the individual, it could take weeks or even months for him to come around.

But honestly, if I'm reading your post right this is a secondary concern at the moment. How much apple is he eating, if he's only eating 25 seeds a day? If you are saying he's not eating as much as he should, there is reason for concern after 5 days. I would take him in to see an avian vet. (Good idea anyway for a newly acquired bird. A wellness check can establish a good baseline if nothing else for future vet visits.

Do you have a gram scale to weigh him? If not, that is definitely something to look into. I tend to weigh my birds anywhere from daily to at least 2 times a week. Weight is one of the fastest and most reliable indicators of an issue available to us on this side of a vet's office.

What was your WFA eating at the shop? If it's radically different from what you are giving him, that might be causing his drop-off in terms of his appetite. And either way, you should try to increase the variety in his diet. Even if it leads to lots of waste. The hope is for him to always have variety available for the day he finally decides to try something new.

Please keep us updated.

Thanks for your reply. We do not have such expert vet available in Saudi Arabia specially for birds. (there are, for cats and dogs). So I am afraid to take my bird to a vet and he experimenting something that can even harm him more.

However since I am already owner of a African Grey and a Severe Macaw, I can certainly tell that the bird health is good and he does not look weak.

I am giving him a branded parrot food which is made in Belgium and include various type of seeds, dry fruits and some colorful pellet. And I also tried to give him a variety of fruits but he accepts apple only so far. Will update you with his progress.

Thank you.

asadaliz · Oct 13, 2016

Kiwibird said:
Welcome to the forum. Your new birds behavior sounds within the normal range of behavior for such a young bird in a new home. Smaller amazons too are known for being a bit more timid and shy than their larger cousins. It sounds like he is a parent raised bird, which means the parent birds were allowed to care for him with little human contact until he weaned VS being pulled from the nest and being hand raised by humans)? Typically with parent raised birds, they do not just "come" trusting and being interested in humans like hand fed babies. This does NOT mean they are not 'good' birds nor does it mean they have no potential to be good companions! He is probably just very frightened of his new surroundings and family because he has likely not had very much interaction with humans and probably not made many positive associations with humans yet.

First thing, the general recommendation with timid new parrots is to pull up a chair close to their cage and just talk to them in a soothing, calm voice (all members of the family/household do this so he makes positive associations with everyone he'll be living with), which it sounds like you're already doing or trying to do. Do it several times a day for as long as it takes. Once he starts acting a little less frightened, start bringing some food over with you (good way to introduce additional fruits and vegetables, as parrots need a varied diet). Eat the food, and no doubt within a couple days he will start being interested in what your eating. Reward him when he comes closer by offering him some of the food and praise him when he takes it from your hands. The goal with a new bird is to get them comfortable with you from the safety of their cage, THEN move on to working with them so they can start interacting with you and come out of the cage. It can take several weeks for a new bird to start feeling comfortable with you. Have patience and let him come around on his own time scale. He will (they always do with enough patience on our part)

Next, I see you are in Saudi Arabia. I am not sure what all is available over there for parrots, but it is strongly recommended amazons be fed a pelleted diet with lots of fruit and veggies. Seeds are very high in fat and low in nutrition for parrots and a seed diet will drastically reduce his lifespan. If pelleted diets are not readily available, he would need to be transitioned to a fresh foods diet of grains and beans with ample fresh produce. Either way, he needs to be transitioned off seed and onto something more suitable and nutritious. The diet section on this forum has a lot of fantastic advice on how to switch a parrot to a healthier diet gradually and wean them off seed. Also lots of advice on bird safe fruit and veg, so whatever is safe to feed and available locally should be offered and encouraged for him to eat. A proper diet helps a lot in improved temperament, especially with amazons as they get older.

What kind of setup do you have? I know cage size recommendations vary in different parts of the world, but he should have a sizable cage with lots of room to move around. He should also have a variety of perches in different widths, preferably natural or made of rope. Those straight perches frequently included with cages can be quite uncomfortable for them. He will also need toys, which will keep him active and mentally stimulated. If he already has toys and is not interested, it is ok and not uncommon for young and untrained/unsocialized birds to not know what to do with toys and that can be addressed once you start building some trust with him. If he does not have any toys, I suggest providing some as soon as possible. Last, do you have some photos of him, how he's been sitting etc... It would be helpful to see him, especially his eyes if possible. It is not likely but entirely possible this is a much younger bird than you were told and he is not fully weaned, which would lead to not perching properly and not eating much solid foods. Eye color in baby amazons changes as they get a bit older so it would be helpful for us to see him to see if he actually looks to be a year old or potentially younger. If that were the case, there would be some additional steps for you to take.

Edit: As Anasai said, if you can, taking him to see an avian vet would be ideal to be able to see what an expert who can physically examine the bird has to say.

Thank you

and I am grateful for your detailed reply. I believe what you are saying about parent raised bird is correct and this was the first impression I got as well.

I am keeping him in a decent size cage as you can see in pictures. I have not introduced toys and perches till now but I am planning to once he starts at least exploring his cage. I am uploading some of his pictures here so if you have further advices, I am all ears.

I see a progress yesterday that last night he almost ate 1/4 cup of his food( which is a branded parrot food include seeds, dry fruits and pellets etc.) I was incorrect to mention it as seeds only in my first post, my apologies. also he is eating about 1/4 of apple on daily basis. I have tried many other fruits and veggies ( grapes, corn, chilies, banana, orange, carrots etc.) but he just lick it once and then leave it as is.

Will keep you guyz updated. Lucky to have such experts in this community.

Kiwibird · Oct 13, 2016

Aw, he is a very cute little guy

Does he have a name yet? I don't see any yellow or orange coming in on the iris (colored portion) of his eyes yet correct? Amazons are 'born' with very dark eyes, which gradually change to yellow (in the first year) and deepen into an orange "adult" eye color. Most definitely a very young amazon, likely just past weaning. I understand not wanting to see a non-specialized vet, especially if he is eating, having healthy droppings and appears to be in good health.

My first suggestion would be to try to see if he likes a mushy food like plain cooked oats or mashed sweet potatoes (let them cool to room temp). Similar things to what you'd feed an infant just trying solid foods (in fact, young parrots often like fruit and veg baby foods, no meat or dairy though). For young newly weaned birds, mushy foods can be very comforting and can get them more willing to try new things, and this guy needs to be eating a little more and a little more variety. You can also add a little 100% apple juice to mushy foods since you know he likes the flavor of apples to get him to try the new foods.

I would also suggest finding a bird safe cuddle hut type toy made of polar fleece (they may call it something different where you are, but it is generally considered a bird safe fabric). Even a clean washcloth in a not bright color hanging on the side of his cage might work, so long as he doesn't chew it. He needs something to snuggle up to though IMO. I think he'd feel safer than being in a big, open cage with nothing in it. I also think introducing a small toy to the cage wouldn't hurt either. Might bring out some curiosity in him

I also see you mention having other birds. I am assuming your other birds are already friendly with you and eat a wide variety of foods? Having older, trained birds really helps the younger guys learn how to play, what foods to eat and that people are not going to cause them any harm

Once this little guy is around the others, he will observe what they're doing and likely learn from them (even if they are of different species).

chris.carr11.cc · Oct 13, 2016

Really cool! I just got my White Fronted about 2 weeks ago now also. Really interesting seeing how yours is acting about the same as mine was about a week ago.

Just to let you know mine acted about the same way the first week. When I was home all day Saturday I did some more work with trying to get mine to be more comfortable with me. Pulled up a chair and just would work on school work/watched videos/etc. by his cage just to let him know that he is fine with me by him. I did do some work to get him to eat out of a bowl that I offered him.

I know that all Parrots are different and prefer different things, but I found that mine likes the Roudybush pellets (https://www.amazon.com/Roudybush-Da...UTF8&qid=1476370349&sr=8-2&keywords=roudybush). I found for treats mine really like papaya and occasionally banana chips. I know they are all different, but maybe that can be a breed thing that likes that type of taste.

After a week or so I found that mine has a variation in moods and some days it wants to do training and spend time with me by him and other days he wants his space, just trying to reads the vibes he gives out I suppose. Let me know if there is anything you notice regarding your guy and I'll try to do the same to see if it's a breed thing that we notice

Here are a couple pictures of my little guy that I took last night before he went to bed. Not sure what gender/age he is yet. The previous own told me it's a boy and around 8 months, but he doesn't have the grey eyes like a younger bird and is missing the red on it's shoulders so I'm not sure. I'm kinda waiting to see if those features become more prominent as he grows (assuming he is still a baby).

Chris

asadaliz · Oct 16, 2016

We named him "Joy". There is a very dark brown portion above his pupil so yes very young bird. He has started to show some good signs by eating properly and not breathing too heavy now. Still afraid to move from the cage corner. I put some toys and real perches in his cage. but even afraid to go there. hopefully he will do good soon

Thank you for ur suggestions. will keep you posted.

Kiwibird · Oct 16, 2016

Joy is a lovely name for a lovely little bird

Glad to hear he's eating better. It sounds like he was and still is very frightened and unsure of the new environment and the people around him. He is also very very young so climbing around and playing will be skills he'll need to learn. You can try putting a treat, such as a nut, in a spot where he'd have to climb on a new perch or approach the toy to get to it. That would gently encourage him to try a new thing, but would still allow him to go at his own pace. It would also let you know if he was trying out the new perches or toys while no one was looking (if the treats gone, obviously he ate it).

Do prepare yourself that he might be one of those individuals who make slower progress when it comes to exploring, learning new things, bonding/socializing. Smaller amazons do tend to be more shy and reserved. I also thought you may be interested in this thread. She has made a HUGE amount of progress with her WFA, who was an aviary breeder bird previously, in regards to socialization and training:

http://www.parrotforums.com/amazons/59572-new-white-fronted-amazon-owner.html

asadaliz · Oct 20, 2016

Kiwibird said:
Joy is a lovely name for a lovely little bird

Glad to hear he's eating better. It sounds like he was and still is very frightened and unsure of the new environment and the people around him. He is also very very young so climbing around and playing will be skills he'll need to learn. You can try putting a treat, such as a nut, in a spot where he'd have to climb on a new perch or approach the toy to get to it. That would gently encourage him to try a new thing, but would still allow him to go at his own pace. It would also let you know if he was trying out the new perches or toys while no one was looking (if the treats gone, obviously he ate it).

Do prepare yourself that he might be one of those individuals who make slower progress when it comes to exploring, learning new things, bonding/socializing. Smaller amazons do tend to be more shy and reserved. I also thought you may be interested in this thread. She has made a HUGE amount of progress with her WFA, who was an aviary breeder bird previously, in regards to socialization and training:

http://www.parrotforums.com/amazons/59572-new-white-fronted-amazon-owner.html

Thank you again. It took me a while to go through all 35 pages of suggested thread hehe but it was really helpful. Joy still is afraid of me and breath heavily when he sees me. surprisingly he is very much OK with my 5 year old daughter and 2 year old son who play near him all the time and do not talk to him at all. and he does not care if they come near him or even surprise him. But me passing by his cage, and he starts heavy breathing and start looking afraid. I am spending much time with him and offering food but he does not accept seeds, fruits vegs other than apple. he still looks afraid of me. Probably this is the impression he got when I bought him from the Bird shop and the shop guy shifted him to my cage. May be he feels that I am the one who separated him from his family ?

I placed lot of colorful bird safe toys and perches and small ladder but he is still not exploring at all and sitting on his old place. I however see he is eating well and having proper dropings.

I am planning to give him a shower this weekend. I assume he will be even more pissed with me due to that, but I guess this might refresh his mood :51:

will keep you guyz posted. If someone has a suggestion, please let me know.

wrench13 · Oct 20, 2016

Hi. What a great name for a beautiful little parrot. Please be patient with him, he is, as most have already said, very scared yet, and needs more time to satisfy himself that nothing is going to eat him, in his new surroundings. We have a white front owner on the board, whose bird, Mr Biggles, was also very shy and hesitant at first, and who has blossomed and even does tricks with his owner now. If you have a Grey and a Mac already, you know how different each parrot can be. I would only introduce 1 toy at a time, and maybe play with it yourself a bit, let him see you doing it, to show him that it will not eat him. As prey animals, that is a big , instinctual concern for a lot of parrots, especially ones that were wild caught or parent reared and have had minimal human contact.

How do you pronounce his name, Joy, in Arabic?

asadaliz · Oct 23, 2016

wrench13 said:
Hi. What a great name for a beautiful little parrot. Please be patient with him, he is, as most have already said, very scared yet, and needs more time to satisfy himself that nothing is going to eat him, in his new surroundings. We have a white front owner on the board, whose bird, Mr Biggles, was also very shy and hesitant at first, and who has blossomed and even does tricks with his owner now. If you have a Grey and a Mac already, you know how different each parrot can be. I would only introduce 1 toy at a time, and maybe play with it yourself a bit, let him see you doing it, to show him that it will not eat him. As prey animals, that is a big , instinctual concern for a lot of parrots, especially ones that were wild caught or parent reared and have had minimal human contact.

How do you pronounce his name, Joy, in Arabic?

Thank you. will definitely consider your advice.

Joy in Arabic is no different than Joy in English

However in Arabic its called "Farah"

Kiwibird · Oct 23, 2016

asadaliz said:
Thank you again. It took me a while to go through all 35 pages of suggested thread hehe but it was really helpful. Joy still is afraid of me and breath heavily when he sees me. surprisingly he is very much OK with my 5 year old daughter and 2 year old son who play near him all the time and do not talk to him at all. and he does not care if they come near him or even surprise him. But me passing by his cage, and he starts heavy breathing and start looking afraid. I am spending much time with him and offering food but he does not accept seeds, fruits vegs other than apple. he still looks afraid of me. Probably this is the impression he got when I bought him from the Bird shop and the shop guy shifted him to my cage. May be he feels that I am the one who separated him from his family ?

I placed lot of colorful bird safe toys and perches and small ladder but he is still not exploring at all and sitting on his old place. I however see he is eating well and having proper dropings.

I am planning to give him a shower this weekend. I assume he will be even more pissed with me due to that, but I guess this might refresh his mood :51:

will keep you guyz posted. If someone has a suggestion, please let me know.

How did that shower go? If he's eating well and making healthy poops, that's a good sign he's adjusting to the environment (albeit slowly by the sounds of it).

He may show an interest in the kids over the adults because on some level he understands they are young too, just like he is. Parrots are very much in tune with that kind of stuff. If Joy seems to like your children, you could have a good in with him. What kind of things do your kids play with in front of Joy? Is there anything you could offer him similar to what they play with so he feels more included? Things like plastic rattles and plastic keys (one of my amazons all time favorite toys) that babies and toddlers play with are often appreciated by parrots too. Or if they are eating snacks appropriate for a parrot (like carrot sticks or fruit) have them eat their snacks in the same room Joy is in and you can offer him the same things they're eating so hopefully he'll try some too. Monkey see, monkey do. They learn from us. Also could be a good opportunity to educate your kids about how the bird observes and learns from us and a good way for them to passively help in making him feel welcome in the family without them having to risk getting bit or anything that comes with physical interaction.

asadaliz · Oct 26, 2016

Kiwibird said:
How did that shower go? If he's eating well and making healthy poops, that's a good sign he's adjusting to the environment (albeit slowly by the sounds of it).

He may show an interest in the kids over the adults because on some level he understands they are young too, just like he is. Parrots are very much in tune with that kind of stuff. If Joy seems to like your children, you could have a good in with him. What kind of things do your kids play with in front of Joy? Is there anything you could offer him similar to what they play with so he feels more included? Things like plastic rattles and plastic keys (one of my amazons all time favorite toys) that babies and toddlers play with are often appreciated by parrots too. Or if they are eating snacks appropriate for a parrot (like carrot sticks or fruit) have them eat their snacks in the same room Joy is in and you can offer him the same things they're eating so hopefully he'll try some too. Monkey see, monkey do. They learn from us. Also could be a good opportunity to educate your kids about how the bird observes and learns from us and a good way for them to passively help in making him feel welcome in the family without them having to risk getting bit or anything that comes with physical interaction.

He didn't enjoy the shower however I am glad he didn't resist much as well. I took him out in the cage after the shower to get warm in sun light. He looks clean. I can see some progress and that he is more active than before. What I am afraid is the biting habit he is developing. When I enter my hand in his cage to clean, he will normally threat me with a biting pose (will not bite though).

My children play with toys that are not really bird safe ( like cars, dolls , balloons etc.) I have offered him a toy but he is afraid to play with that. He also is not comfortable with my other birds as in presence of my Macaw and CAG, he looks terrified. So I am keeping them away from him for time being.

I think he still needs his time. will keep trying

asadaliz · Oct 30, 2016

Alright guys so I have a serious concern now and need advice from experts here.

I noticed that Joy's left eye has some white stuff growing in and after research on internet I found they call it "corneal degeneration". He sees well but sometime close his left eye only like in the picture. I took him immediately to the best vet here but as described earlier, we have no expert bird vet available here. He told me its normal. birds go through a lot of physical changes at this age and and it will be getting better with his age. However I am worried. anyone please confirm if this is ok or is there something I can do about it ?

Kentuckienne · Oct 30, 2016

My vet is an avian specialist, and he has worked with Saudi birds before, I think. He told me this a long time ago, so I might not remember it correctly, but I believe he treated falcons. I remember from living in Kuwait in the 90s that some people kept and flew them, wearing jesses and small hoods. In these modern internet days I expect you might be able to find a falconry group and ask them about avian vets - those birds are VERY expensive to buy and train, and I'm sure they find a way to get good treatment. Alternately, you might be able to find an avian vet to consult over the Internet. You do have the ability to take very good photos, and perhaps an excellent avian vet can tell more with a photo than a regular vet can tell from the live bird. They might be able to diagnose a condition or advise for tests to be done locally. It might not be easy to find such a vet, and payment of bills might be complicated. Or it might be easy, you can only try. There is at least one zoo, in Riyadh, and they surely have a veterinarian on staff or on call, so you might ask them.

asadaliz · Oct 30, 2016

Kentuckienne said:
My vet is an avian specialist, and he has worked with Saudi birds before, I think. He told me this a long time ago, so I might not remember it correctly, but I believe he treated falcons. I remember from living in Kuwait in the 90s that some people kept and flew them, wearing jesses and small hoods. In these modern internet days I expect you might be able to find a falconry group and ask them about avian vets - those birds are VERY expensive to buy and train, and I'm sure they find a way to get good treatment. Alternately, you might be able to find an avian vet to consult over the Internet. You do have the ability to take very good photos, and perhaps an excellent avian vet can tell more with a photo than a regular vet can tell from the live bird. They might be able to diagnose a condition or advise for tests to be done locally. It might not be easy to find such a vet, and payment of bills might be complicated. Or it might be easy, you can only try. There is at least one zoo, in Riyadh, and they surely have a veterinarian on staff or on call, so you might ask them.

Thank you for your suggestion but unfortunately I was not able to find a good bird vet in Riyadh. Yes there is a Zoo but their department has some restriction and does not allow outside care of birds. its only for the animals inside the Zoo.

I have also searched many online consultants but all those websites appeared spam. cannot risk sharing my credit card details.

Just wanted to know if someone has faced similar problem with their bird and can be of guidance, whether its a serious matter or just because of age, as suggested by the vet I visited.

Thanks

Kiwibird · Oct 30, 2016

Poor baby. To me, that looks like it may be something stemming from an injury to the eye, and young birds are more prone to injuries. It doesn't appear to be inflamed or infected though. The closest thing I've seen to this is cataracts (like what elderly people get) in elderly birds, but that is clearly not the case here. I would make a separate thread about this issue in the "general health care" section of the forum so more people see it (not everyone reads the amazon section) as someone with a different species of bird may have encountered something similar. Someone may also have an AV who'd be willing to do an online consultation given your lack of access to a vet who can treat birds. I see you don't have enough posts to send a private message to a member, but if I were you, I would PM a moderator (looks like SirEdwin89 is the only moderator currently online, you can see who's a moderator on the homepage off to the right under "Online Users". Moderator accounts are in purple letters). Ask a mod if they can forward a message about this to Henpecked, who is a long time amazon owner/breeder who's seen the range of medical conditions in amazons. He may have some more information. Also found this article in ocular conditions in parrots- Retrospective study of ocular disorders in Amazon parrots

I know you don't have access to a vet, so you may was to try some home remedies for him to prevent infection and aid in healing. I see one on this list called eyebright that may be of particular benefit in your situation. I have personally used apple cider vinegar in the water (about 1/2 tsp vinegar to 1 cup water) on a few occasions when I noticed my bird sneezing a bit or having runny poos and when he had a a minor injury to help him be able to fight off infection. It's a good immune booster to help prevent infection (must be taken orally, not topically) and if this is indeed some kind of injury to the eye, preventing infection is imperative.

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