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I'd also like to suggest reading the above threads. If you'd like, read them out loud to your birds. Parrots love being read to in a calm, soothing voice and it's a good trust building activity. The last thread is directed towards macaw owners, but is fairly applicable to amazons and other large parrots as well. Birdman and Sailboat are 2 of our resident experts and their information is highly respected and valued here!
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Re: (Huge) Mealy Amazon male and biting

I also like to suggest new owners of amazons to watch this video. This is one of the better demonstrations of body language used by amazons indicating "I am going to attack the crap out of you if you don't cease and desist immediately" available for viewing on youtube. Note the fluffed up head, fanned tail, slightly spread wings, feverish pacing, aggressive leaning in (and if you could zoom in close, there would be rapidly pinning eyes as well). If an amazon is displaying this kind of body language, it is best to back off!

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Re: (Huge) Mealy Amazon male and biting

Quote: Originally Posted by Kiwibird View Post
Amazon body language

I Love Amazons - An On-Going Journey!

Big Beak O Phobes Guide to Understanding Macaw Beaks...

I'd also like to suggest reading the above threads. If you'd like, read them out loud to your birds. Parrots love being read to in a calm, soothing voice and it's a good trust building activity. The last thread is directed towards macaw owners, but is fairly applicable to amazons and other large parrots as well. Birdman and Sailboat are 2 of our resident experts and their information is highly respected and valued here!
I'll read those, thank you.

I'm quite sure i can spot the "main body languages" pretty spot on but i'm missing the more subtle little things... Like SailBoat said from my videos that you can see that my Mealy wants to trust me etc, i've watched them over and over after that and i'm not spotting anything that i can understand
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Re: (Huge) Mealy Amazon male and biting

You've been given some good info, so let me just say he's an attractive fellow. I hope you're able to correct any behavioral issues.
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Re: (Huge) Mealy Amazon male and biting

Quote: Originally Posted by Kiwibird View Post
Amazon body language

I Love Amazons - An On-Going Journey!

Big Beak O Phobes Guide to Understanding Macaw Beaks...

I'd also like to suggest reading the above threads. If you'd like, read them out loud to your birds. Parrots love being read to in a calm, soothing voice and it's a good trust building activity. The last thread is directed towards macaw owners, but is fairly applicable to amazons and other large parrots as well. Birdman and Sailboat are 2 of our resident experts and their information is highly respected and valued here!
And, as you have already read - we are joined by Kiwibird. The clarity provided is unmatched.

Regardless of the advise provided, you're hour by hour, day to day work takes those words and translates them into success! The best advise in the World cannot replace you're up close observations, and developing an understand of 'your' Amazon's Body Language.

Also remember Goal Number One: Only good things happen when Humans are around. The reason is to provide your Amazon a 'reason' to trust you, hour after hour, day after day, week after week. If you think of his life up to this point, how many Humans did he have that he could truly TRUST?

Regarding my comments of the Videos.
Watching the interaction of your Mealy, note the presentation is consistent 'happy' Amazon. Noting feather's on the body and neck and head, the position of the wings, the movement, etc... Note and write down those signs that you see that state this Amazon is in a comfortable, happy state.

Now, with paper and pen in hand, watch the "Parrot Attacks and Bites Violist. Note every body language that defines an Amazon that is not happy nor comfortable with what is happening and how long the Violinist is give a change to back away. Watch it several times to find as many indicators as you can. My favorite part of the Video is that section (middle) when nothing seems to be going on. Listen closely and you can 'hear' the Amazon comment on what happened and talk himself back 'UP' the cage.

Okay, time to take what you have learned and apply it to the end of the Video when the Amazon is back on top of the cage. Again note each Body Language the Amazon is presenting and compare them to the first part of the Video!

Knowledge:
Note, how long the Human is told this is not going to end well if you continue. Then, once the breaking point is reached, how lighting fast the Amazon reacts and inflicts pain!

At the end, (that last third) note that the music is still playing and the Body Language of the Amazon. Compare your notes with the first third to the last third.

It is really easy to say that, hey I can see that coming and known enough to back away. Now, this Video shows the reaction when someone pushes way too far. Lets see how good you are:

Regarding your last Video: Growling. Here you start with a very happy and content Amazon right-up to the point that you stick you finger in his face. Now, with the same detail, define the body language clues of the Amazon's state prior to the finger and when the finger comes into play and then right-up to the Growling. How many very minor changes can you see! The changes are there, smaller; yes! But still there!

Your Amazon is amazingly comfortable around both of you for the short time he has been with you! Parrots that are locked in cages get fingers pointed at them all the time. After awhile, they just do not like it! Based on what I provided earlier stating that Amazon's are NEVER at fault. What are you doing wrong and what can you change to bring more comfort to the request and as a result have success?

Spend more just close by time?
Work at being close by, but not sticking your finger in his face?

I commonly, never present a finger for an Parrot that I do not know very well. I use my forearm with my hand closed. Why?

Why would an Amazon see this as a more likely surface to step on too?

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Old 07-12-2017, 08:02 PM
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Re: (Huge) Mealy Amazon male and biting

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I also like to suggest new owners of amazons to watch this video. This is one of the better demonstrations of body language used by amazons indicating "I am going to attack the crap out of you if you don't cease and desist immediately" available for viewing on youtube. Note the fluffed up head, fanned tail, slightly spread wings, feverish pacing, aggressive leaning in (and if you could zoom in close, there would be rapidly pinning eyes as well). If an amazon is displaying this kind of body language, it is best to back off!

Parrot Attacks and Bites Violinist: Amazing, Scary, Hilarious! - YouTube
Why does everybody and everybirdy hate on the Titanic song? It's one of my favorites to sing. XD

This is a really good crash course for me, too. After thirty years, you develop a sort of shorthand with your Amazon. He doesn't display at you; you don't do things that piss him off. No one has to get bitten. With a different Amazon, I'll have to pay closer attention.

BTW, are we sure this bird isn't a yellow nape? j/k
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Re: (Huge) Mealy Amazon male and biting

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Quote: Originally Posted by Kiwibird View Post
I also like to suggest new owners of amazons to watch this video. This is one of the better demonstrations of body language used by amazons indicating "I am going to attack the crap out of you if you don't cease and desist immediately" available for viewing on youtube. Note the fluffed up head, fanned tail, slightly spread wings, feverish pacing, aggressive leaning in (and if you could zoom in close, there would be rapidly pinning eyes as well). If an amazon is displaying this kind of body language, it is best to back off!

Parrot Attacks and Bites Violinist: Amazing, Scary, Hilarious! - YouTube
Why does everybody and everybirdy hate on the Titanic song? It's one of my favorites to sing. XD

This is a really good crash course for me, too. After thirty years, you develop a sort of shorthand with your Amazon. He doesn't display at you; you don't do things that piss him off. No one has to get bitten. With a different Amazon, I'll have to pay closer attention.

BTW, are we sure this bird isn't a yellow nape? j/k
I'm not seeing an Amazon that dislikes the "Titanic Song." If you view the last third of that Video, its still playing and the BFA is not going over the top, not at all!

Most people that do not like the music likely are missing that special romance in their life or loss the belief in the joy of romance.

I like your Owner's "shorthand" that is develop with the passage of time!
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Re: (Huge) Mealy Amazon male and biting

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Quote: Originally Posted by Kiwibird View Post
Amazon body language

I Love Amazons - An On-Going Journey!

Big Beak O Phobes Guide to Understanding Macaw Beaks...

I'd also like to suggest reading the above threads. If you'd like, read them out loud to your birds. Parrots love being read to in a calm, soothing voice and it's a good trust building activity. The last thread is directed towards macaw owners, but is fairly applicable to amazons and other large parrots as well. Birdman and Sailboat are 2 of our resident experts and their information is highly respected and valued here!
And, as you have already read - we are joined by Kiwibird. The clarity provided is unmatched.

Regardless of the advise provided, you're hour by hour, day to day work takes those words and translates them into success! The best advise in the World cannot replace you're up close observations, and developing an understand of 'your' Amazon's Body Language.

Also remember Goal Number One: Only good things happen when Humans are around. The reason is to provide your Amazon a 'reason' to trust you, hour after hour, day after day, week after week. If you think of his life up to this point, how many Humans did he have that he could truly TRUST?

Regarding my comments of the Videos.
Watching the interaction of your Mealy, note the presentation is consistent 'happy' Amazon. Noting feather's on the body and neck and head, the position of the wings, the movement, etc... Note and write down those signs that you see that state this Amazon is in a comfortable, happy state.

Now, with paper and pen in hand, watch the "Parrot Attacks and Bites Violist. Note every body language that defines an Amazon that is not happy nor comfortable with what is happening and how long the Violinist is give a change to back away. Watch it several times to find as many indicators as you can. My favorite part of the Video is that section (middle) when nothing seems to be going on. Listen closely and you can 'hear' the Amazon comment on what happened and talk himself back 'UP' the cage.

Okay, time to take what you have learned and apply it to the end of the Video when the Amazon is back on top of the cage. Again note each Body Language the Amazon is presenting and compare them to the first part of the Video!

Knowledge:
Note, how long the Human is told this is not going to end well if you continue. Then, once the breaking point is reached, how lighting fast the Amazon reacts and inflicts pain!

At the end, (that last third) note that the music is still playing and the Body Language of the Amazon. Compare your notes with the first third to the last third.

It is really easy to say that, hey I can see that coming and known enough to back away. Now, this Video shows the reaction when someone pushes way too far. Lets see how good you are:

Regarding your last Video: Growling. Here you start with a very happy and content Amazon right-up to the point that you stick you finger in his face. Now, with the same detail, define the body language clues of the Amazon's state prior to the finger and when the finger comes into play and then right-up to the Growling. How many very minor changes can you see! The changes are there, smaller; yes! But still there!

Your Amazon is amazingly comfortable around both of you for the short time he has been with you! Parrots that are locked in cages get fingers pointed at them all the time. After awhile, they just do not like it! Based on what I provided earlier stating that Amazon's are NEVER at fault. What are you doing wrong and what can you change to bring more comfort to the request and as a result have success?

Spend more just close by time?
Work at being close by, but not sticking your finger in his face?

I commonly, never present a finger for an Parrot that I do not know very well. I use my forearm with my hand closed. Why?

Why would an Amazon see this as a more likely surface to step on too?
Thank you! I will look into these things today

I know i shouldn't offer my finger, i just used it because i wanted to video that reaction so i can show it to you.

I always offer my forearm, ok with my CAG who is really used to me i offer my fingers too and sometimes closed fist.
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Re: (Huge) Mealy Amazon male and biting

I understand your point regarding the finger. That said, be looking for the same tiny reactions /clues when you are working with your Amazon.

Enjoy!
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I understand your point regarding the finger. That said, be looking for the same tiny reactions /clues when you are working with your Amazon.

Enjoy!
Thank you, i'm going to learn those asap, i did some fast reading and already learned a lot.
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