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Old 07-17-2017, 01:34 PM
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Kizzy: the Flying Toddler Stage

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The baby stage is over. My petite BFA (eleven weeks old as of today) is eating pellets and veggies on her own with only one hand-feeding in the evenings. Kizzy would now rather play than cuddle. Even though this development was not unexpected, I am a little saddened the cuddly stage is over. Last night, she let me pet her for a long time (for an Amazon), but there will be no more intense hours-long cuddle sessions under my chin. I chose an Amazon because they can entertain themselves for long periods of time. Just now, she spent quite some time dismantling green beans, allowing me to rest. She is slowly turning into an Amazon.

Now if only she would entertain herself inside the cage! I made a mess of introducing her to the cage, so now I have to desensitize her and it's going more slowly than I thought it would, as is harness training. Kizzy is sensitive, so I must accept there is no timetable for cage and harness desensitization. We're on Kizzy time now. Give me strength.

Harness training will be finished when Kizzy is ready for it to be finished. All I can do is put in the time. But she absolutely has to be socialized. Now. Not later. In order to do this, I'm going to have to take her to the park in her carrier and perhaps visit people in their homes. My mother has a lot of friends who could do me a solid by letting us visit.

I've been so busy training my flying toddler, I haven't had much time for taking pictures and making videos. I had planned for this stage to be much easier than the baby stage. Surprise!!! So much for my best-laid plans. I will need all the stamina I can muster to make it through this stage of Kizzy's development.

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Re: Kizzy: the Flying Toddler Stage

I have been pondering the Harness thing and although I have never Harness trained, I have come to the belief that the process maybe wrong.

I am thinking that like anything, it needs to slowly find its way into the Amazons World. Once accepted as a side feature, it needs to become 'something like' a toy, i.e. the Parrot is comfortable with it being set next to them and than on them. Kind of like a hind and seek or peek-a-boo toy that blocks ones view for a moment. Then a set-on Parrot's back toy, kind of like a 'dress-up' baby thing. And after all of that with the Parrot semi comfortable with 'kind of wearing it,' its time to slip on the straps. Starting with the straps just seems backwards to me! Let me know if my ramblings work.

I was traveling this morning and a goodly part of the trip was highway driving in light traffic, so I had a moment or two (well more like a couple of hours) to think about re-introduction of a cage! Over the years, I have assembled more than a couple of Parrot Cages! What I have found really works well as part of introducing a new cage to one of our Amazons is to let them be part of the assembly! Yes, this really slows down the process, but in each case, the Amazon was fully moved in before the final items where installed. The process seems to support their owning it, because they approved and was part of the assembly and placement of the adornments.

Yes, this would involve the taking apart of a perfectly good cage, the dangers of losing parts and yes, the time to do all of this. But, with your interest and your BFA's interest, it is just as likely that your toddler will take to the project like my older Amazons have! Let me know if I was daydreaming a bit too much!
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Old 07-17-2017, 08:04 PM
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Re: Kizzy: the Flying Toddler Stage

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I have been pondering the Harness thing and although I have never Harness trained, I have come to the belief that the process maybe wrong.

I am thinking that like anything, it needs to slowly find its way into the Amazons World. Once accepted as a side feature, it needs to become 'something like' a toy, i.e. the Parrot is comfortable with it being set next to them and than on them. Kind of like a hind and seek or peek-a-boo toy that blocks ones view for a moment. Then a set-on Parrot's back toy, kind of like a 'dress-up' baby thing. And after all of that with the Parrot semi comfortable with 'kind of wearing it,' its time to slip on the straps. Starting with the straps just seems backwards to me! Let me know if my ramblings work.

I was traveling this morning and a goodly part of the trip was highway driving in light traffic, so I had a moment or two (well more like a couple of hours) to think about re-introduction of a cage! Over the years, I have assembled more than a couple of Parrot Cages! What I have found really works well as part of introducing a new cage to one of our Amazons is to let them be part of the assembly! Yes, this really slows down the process, but in each case, the Amazon was fully moved in before the final items where installed. The process seems to support their owning it, because they approved and was part of the assembly and placement of the adornments.

Yes, this would involve the taking apart of a perfectly good cage, the dangers of losing parts and yes, the time to do all of this. But, with your interest and your BFA's interest, it is just as likely that your toddler will take to the project like my older Amazons have! Let me know if I was daydreaming a bit too much!
Regarding the harness, I used it in our long cuddling sessions to get her used to it. She's not afraid of it. The problem is getting it over her wings. I've never known an Amazon who liked his or her wings touched, so the desensitization is geared toward Kizzy letting me manipulate her wings. Unfortunately, I think she now has some negative feelings toward the harness because it got tangled up when I was trying to slip it over a wing. I'm using the next size up, but I'm starting to wonder if it might work for her. If / when she starts accepting it, I'll take a pic and ask the makers if they think it's too big for her. Her head barely fits through the next size down, but will fit better around the body.

And I do appreciate your daydreaming. Kizzy spends lots of time on the cage playtop. I keep hoping she's going to get curious about the dishes and toys inside, but so far, no joy. She's starting to get into things (not good), but that might mean she's ready to check out the cage (good). If she doesn't make much progress in the next few days, I will consider dismantling and rebuilding the cage and letting her supervise.
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Re: Kizzy: the Flying Toddler Stage

Kizzy is learning 1) how to fly longer distances, 2) how to land on a variety of targeted sites and 3) how to eat solid foods so Mom only has to hand-feed once a day.
Kizzy is eleven weeks old as of today, July 17, 2017.

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Re: Kizzy: the Flying Toddler Stage

Amazing how fast Kizzy has grown from a little baby to a full sized flighted BF Again thanks for sharing her remarkable growth.




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Re: Kizzy: the Flying Toddler Stage

She's doing well! Baby or rescue, I guess they ALL put us humans through the wringer to make sure we're worthy of their love
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Re: Kizzy: the Flying Toddler Stage

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I have been pondering the Harness thing and although I have never Harness trained, I have come to the belief that the process maybe wrong.

I am thinking that like anything, it needs to slowly find its way into the Amazons World. Once accepted as a side feature, it needs to become 'something like' a toy, i.e. the Parrot is comfortable with it being set next to them and than on them. Kind of like a hind and seek or peek-a-boo toy that blocks ones view for a moment. Then a set-on Parrot's back toy, kind of like a 'dress-up' baby thing. And after all of that with the Parrot semi comfortable with 'kind of wearing it,' its time to slip on the straps. Starting with the straps just seems backwards to me! Let me know if my ramblings work.
Maybe it's just Kiwi, but his harness training has been going much better since hubby took over. He decided it was time he wore the dang harness, takes him in the office, dims the lights and on it goes! He is now wearing it for longer periods and becoming more comfortable with it, despite squirming and protests at first. Dimming the lights really seems to help in getting him to sit still enough to put the dang thing on. Now it's just an adjustment to something being on his body, which is a new concept, but he is starting to realize it's not the end of the world. We have yet to clip on the leash but that'll probably start soon too. We went with the less popular, but easier to get on and off "feather tether" and I think the way it buckles on has been another key to success. I used differed colored embroidery floss to color code which buckle went to which ring and now it's simple to get on and off quickly and he doesn't have to stick his head through anything. I think even at the end of his harness training, we will still all prefer the pak-o-bird for excursions, but if Kiwi starts flying in the future, being harness trained will put him one step ahead of the game for wearing a flight line and flying outdoors
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Re: Kizzy: the Flying Toddler Stage

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I have been pondering the Harness thing and although I have never Harness trained, I have come to the belief that the process maybe wrong.

I am thinking that like anything, it needs to slowly find its way into the Amazons World. Once accepted as a side feature, it needs to become 'something like' a toy, i.e. the Parrot is comfortable with it being set next to them and than on them. Kind of like a hind and seek or peek-a-boo toy that blocks ones view for a moment. Then a set-on Parrot's back toy, kind of like a 'dress-up' baby thing. And after all of that with the Parrot semi comfortable with 'kind of wearing it,' its time to slip on the straps. Starting with the straps just seems backwards to me! Let me know if my ramblings work.
Maybe it's just Kiwi, but his harness training has been going much better since hubby took over. He decided it was time he wore the dang harness, takes him in the office, dims the lights and on it goes! He is now wearing it for longer periods and becoming more comfortable with it, despite squirming and protests at first. Dimming the lights really seems to help in getting him to sit still enough to put the dang thing on. Now it's just an adjustment to something being on his body, which is a new concept, but he is starting to realize it's not the end of the world. We have yet to clip on the leash but that'll probably start soon too. We went with the less popular, but easier to get on and off "feather tether" and I think the way it buckles on has been another key to success. I used differed colored embroidery floss to color code which buckle went to which ring and now it's simple to get on and off quickly and he doesn't have to stick his head through anything. I think even at the end of his harness training, we will still all prefer the pak-o-bird for excursions, but if Kiwi starts flying in the future, being harness trained will put him one step ahead of the game for wearing a flight line and flying outdoors
The whole outdoor flying thing both intrigues and frightens me and from your posts, it's obvious you feel the same way. I'm really excited for Kizzy to have such an opportunity, but I'm afraid of predators and thieves. Kizzy will never fly without a harness. This is a rural county. There are more hawks than people and the people here ignore leash laws. I met a lady on the trail I hike who was severely bitten on that very trail and still only about 10% of people I meet on that trail use leashes. The prevailing feeling: "My dog would never bite someone or attack another animal." Well, the statistics have to come from somewhere. I almost feel some kind of crackdown is in order. On that trail, Kizzy will be in her Pak-o-Bird and I will be armed with pepper spray. It isn't fair, but at least she'll be able to go.

My Pak-o-Bird should arrive tomorrow: gold with "Kizzy" embroidered in black. Because Kizzy is petite, the company generously included three different perches so I could choose the best one (or two). I am very much looking forward to my first walk in a very long time! I hope Kizzy loves that trail as much as I do.

As an aside: Kizzy looks bigger since her tail grew in all the way. She's currently at a svelte weaning weight of 340 grams. There is plenty of muscle on either side of her keel, so she's about the right weight for fledging. She eats pellets and veggies all day and then gets a hand-feeding at night. It's mostly for comfort. I squirt a little into her mouth and she seems to say, "OK, that's enough! Thanks!" and flies away. XD Once she's flown away, she won't accept any more no matter how hard you try.

How do you solve a problem like a Kizzy? a Kiwi? an Amy?

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Re: Kizzy: the Flying Toddler Stage

If Kizzy is afraid of her cage, but won't stop landing on the ceiling fan, why can't I put the cage on the ceiling fan and let those two instincts fight it out?
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Re: Kizzy: the Flying Toddler Stage

As you may or may not know, I worked with Salty and his harness every night for almost a year. We started with him just putting his head thru the head loop , using a set vocal command, slowly increasing the time his head was in there, and using a set command for him to pull his head out. Once he was OK with that (many months just for that), I started to drape the harness over his body and wings, again slowly increasing the time it was on him (more months). And it has only been within the last 2 months that we got the harness on, adjusted correctly and ventured outside. All of these actions were heavily rewarded with treats. Would this work with Kizzy? Each bird is different. And I am a patient man, who else would try 365 times to teach his parrot to do something very un-natural. Talk to Bummble's mom, she got her baby parrotlet to put her harness on pretty quickly.

About the cage, I got nothing. Salty sleeps in it and has his pellets and water in there. Other then that he never goes into his cage.
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