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Old 11-29-2017, 05:53 AM
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Lol, its like everytime I say "Oscar won't let me" he likes to prove me wrong. I am sitting here with him and I constantly offer my hand with a step up. This time, he put his head down, the same way he does on the bars for a head scratch.... I wonder... Yep, Oscar decided it was time for a good scratch, no bars in the way!!!
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He is making a purring type noise!!!!
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So, Oscar continues to amaze me! We put him to bed with our son, 9 pm. Usually, around 7-8 pm Oscar goes back in his cage and hangs out in there. He is not as fond of my husband and son as he is of me so once they get home from work and school and I start cooking dinner, until I sit outside his cage again, he is inside. Last night, Oscar stayed out, he is getting used to the boys! It was bedtime for Oscar and my husband asked me how I put him back in his cage. I told him Oscar is usually already in his cage by now so I was not sure what to do considering he still does not want me touching him unless its for head scratches. I read something on the sticky thread that came to use, I kept me hands and arms close to my face and put my forearm up to him, he would not go the other direction because my husband was back there waiting to help me cover the cage. Oscar still wouldn't let me touch him with my hand, but he accepted cheek kisses and head scratches while he road on my shoulder through the house getting his first tour! This, of course, still didn't solve our delima, how do we get him IN his cage without being able to touch him? I plan on keeping my fingers just the way they are, so going after Oscar is not on my list, as all of you have said, he will come to me when he is ready, I just thought he would step up on my hand before he took hostage of my shoulder. So, I went back to his cage and hold my shoulder up to it and Oscar does not get off... I wiggle a little, still nothing.... I ended up having to get my husband to slowly walk up behind me so it wouldn't scare Oscar but would make him want to scoot away back onto the cage. It was an exhausting, amazing, late night... So, in less than 1 week, a bird who has never came out of his cage and was only scratched through bars for the last 5 years, has come this far. They are so much more forgiving than us humans.
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Old 11-30-2017, 07:43 AM
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Well then! Can you please expand my signature pics and take a look at Gonzo? I've always assumed he is a BFA, but perhaps a variant?
Gonzo is, without a doubt, a blue fronted amazon. Blue fronted amazons have black beaks with varying amounts of blue or yellow to the head. Some blue fronts may have minimal or no yellow where-as others may have minimal to no blue. Blue fronts without blue are probably more common than blue fronts without yellow... as odd as that may sound.


Orange wings on the other hand should always have blue and yellow heads and a two-toned beak. They are also smaller than blue fronts.


Here's a picture of a blue front and an orange wing - although the website says they are both blue fronts....

http://www.parrot-bird.com/parrot-pi...parrots-01.jpg


This site has both species labeled correctly

https://www.hbw.com/ibc/photo/orange...a-aestiva-left



Or a great shot of just an orange wing amazon's head

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3259/2...ca69c790_b.jpg



And this is what you get when you don't realize that they are separate species and allow them to breed.






Amber, it sounds like you two are making great progress!!!! If you teach Oscar some target training, it will make it easier to get him moved around!
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Well then! Can you please expand my signature pics and take a look at Gonzo? I've always assumed he is a BFA, but perhaps a variant?
Gonzo is, without a doubt, a blue fronted amazon. Blue fronted amazons have black beaks with varying amounts of blue or yellow to the head. Some blue fronts may have minimal or no yellow where-as others may have minimal to no blue. Blue fronts without blue are probably more common than blue fronts without yellow... as odd as that may sound.


Orange wings on the other hand should always have blue and yellow heads and a two-toned beak. They are also smaller than blue fronts.


Here's a picture of a blue front and an orange wing - although the website says they are both blue fronts....

http://www.parrot-bird.com/parrot-pi...parrots-01.jpg


This site has both species labeled correctly

https://www.hbw.com/ibc/photo/orange...a-aestiva-left



Or a great shot of just an orange wing amazon's head

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3259/2...ca69c790_b.jpg
Thanks so much, Monica! Subtle but important differences. Would be nice to respect the variations and carefully breed.
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Well then! Can you please expand my signature pics and take a look at Gonzo? I've always assumed he is a BFA, but perhaps a variant?
Gonzo is, without a doubt, a blue fronted amazon. Blue fronted amazons have black beaks with varying amounts of blue or yellow to the head. Some blue fronts may have minimal or no yellow where-as others may have minimal to no blue. Blue fronts without blue are probably more common than blue fronts without yellow... as odd as that may sound.


Orange wings on the other hand should always have blue and yellow heads and a two-toned beak. They are also smaller than blue fronts.


Here's a picture of a blue front and an orange wing - although the website says they are both blue fronts....

http://www.parrot-bird.com/parrot-pi...parrots-01.jpg


This site has both species labeled correctly

https://www.hbw.com/ibc/photo/orange...a-aestiva-left



Or a great shot of just an orange wing amazon's head

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3259/2...ca69c790_b.jpg
Thanks so much, Monica! Subtle, but important differences. Would be nice to respect the variations and carefully breed.

Thank you, for nailing that down Monica!!!

That said Scott; Gonzo is not a 'Northern' Blue-Fronted Amazon (common). Depending on his overall size (length) and weight, Flight (flash) Feather Coloration and just how big his claw grasp is, his natural range is from the Center to the far Southern region of the very vast overall range of the family of Amazona!
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My Blue Fronted is yelling at me right now. Haha. You do have to go at their pace! You canít be pushy or youíll make matters worse. I just rescued mine 1 month ago and he is 7 years old. He is super happy in his cage but wasnít handled. He doesnít even understand the concept of stepping up. He cannonballs into my hands if I reach into the cage. He wonít bite me but yells when handled.
For the 1st 10 days, I held him against me in a zip up hoodie. I decided to make a change because he became very comfortable in there. My hands were nowhere to be seen. Now we are working on him sitting on my chest/lap without a hoodie, exposed, but hands nearby. As I text this, he is calm. If my hands get any closer, he yells. Iíll just keep doing this until I see a change in tolerance. Then we will advance a bit more.
Thatís about all I know. Iíve read tons. The only consistent thing I see is patience and donít give up. Iíve been working at it a month and have made only minute progress, but itís progress nonetheless.


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My Blue Fronted is yelling at me right now. Haha. You do have to go at their pace! You canít be pushy or youíll make matters worse. I just rescued mine 1 month ago and he is 7 years old. He is super happy in his cage but wasnít handled. He doesnít even understand the concept of stepping up. He cannonballs into my hands if I reach into the cage. He wonít bite me but yells when handled.
For the 1st 10 days, I held him against me in a zip up hoodie. I decided to make a change because he became very comfortable in there. My hands were nowhere to be seen. Now we are working on him sitting on my chest/lap without a hoodie, exposed, but hands nearby. As I text this, he is calm. If my hands get any closer, he yells. Iíll just keep doing this until I see a change in tolerance. Then we will advance a bit more.
Thatís about all I know. Iíve read tons. The only consistent thing I see is patience and donít give up. Iíve been working at it a month and have made only minute progress, but itís progress nonetheless.


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This method seems contrary to building trust in my opinion. Aren't you afraid your bird will always associate you with doing things he/she doesn't want?
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