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Old 12-01-2017, 09:59 PM
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My Blue Fronted is yelling at me right now. Haha. You do have to go at their pace! You canít be pushy or youíll make matters worse. I just rescued mine 1 month ago and he is 7 years old. He is super happy in his cage but wasnít handled. He doesnít even understand the concept of stepping up. He cannonballs into my hands if I reach into the cage. He wonít bite me but yells when handled.
For the 1st 10 days, I held him against me in a zip up hoodie. I decided to make a change because he became very comfortable in there. My hands were nowhere to be seen. Now we are working on him sitting on my chest/lap without a hoodie, exposed, but hands nearby. As I text this, he is calm. If my hands get any closer, he yells. Iíll just keep doing this until I see a change in tolerance. Then we will advance a bit more.
Thatís about all I know. Iíve read tons. The only consistent thing I see is patience and donít give up. Iíve been working at it a month and have made only minute progress, but itís progress nonetheless.


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Your blue front looks like it could be a hybrid - beak should be 100% black. It's not.


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My Blue Fronted is yelling at me right now. Haha. You do have to go at their pace! You canít be pushy or youíll make matters worse. I just rescued mine 1 month ago and he is 7 years old. He is super happy in his cage but wasnít handled. He doesnít even understand the concept of stepping up. He cannonballs into my hands if I reach into the cage. He wonít bite me but yells when handled.
For the 1st 10 days, I held him against me in a zip up hoodie. I decided to make a change because he became very comfortable in there. My hands were nowhere to be seen. Now we are working on him sitting on my chest/lap without a hoodie, exposed, but hands nearby. As I text this, he is calm. If my hands get any closer, he yells. Iíll just keep doing this until I see a change in tolerance. Then we will advance a bit more.
Thatís about all I know. Iíve read tons. The only consistent thing I see is patience and donít give up. Iíve been working at it a month and have made only minute progress, but itís progress nonetheless.


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This method seems contrary to building trust in my opinion. Aren't you afraid your bird will always associate you with doing things he/she doesn't want?


No, Iím not worried about that because Iím not holding him there. He wants to be interacted with. Heís just scared. So I move my hands further away and heís super content. I move then closer for a minute and he yells. Then I move them away again. I read somewhere that itíll get him used to the fact that I wonít hurt him.
We hit another bit of progress last night. He has really bad balance because he never left his cage. Last night he stood on my shoulder and we walked around the room. He is very wobbly but the vet said itíll improve with time. I do have to be careful though because the guy that has him before me clipped him wrong and he canít even glide to the ground. This could take years to grow back the vet said.


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My Blue Fronted is yelling at me right now. Haha. You do have to go at their pace! You canít be pushy or youíll make matters worse. I just rescued mine 1 month ago and he is 7 years old. He is super happy in his cage but wasnít handled. He doesnít even understand the concept of stepping up. He cannonballs into my hands if I reach into the cage. He wonít bite me but yells when handled.

For the 1st 10 days, I held him against me in a zip up hoodie. I decided to make a change because he became very comfortable in there. My hands were nowhere to be seen. Now we are working on him sitting on my chest/lap without a hoodie, exposed, but hands nearby. As I text this, he is calm. If my hands get any closer, he yells. Iíll just keep doing this until I see a change in tolerance. Then we will advance a bit more.

Thatís about all I know. Iíve read tons. The only consistent thing I see is patience and donít give up. Iíve been working at it a month and have made only minute progress, but itís progress nonetheless.





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Your blue front looks like it could be a hybrid - beak should be 100% black. It's not.





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Iíll still love him the same. I donít know much about hybrid. Will that affect learning ability?


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Old 12-02-2017, 10:07 AM
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Iíll still love him the same. I donít know much about hybrid. Will that affect learning ability?
Not at all. It simply means that he's not "pure", but many birds within captivity are no longer "pure" anyway because species and subspecies have been mixed.
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Wow! All that in 24 hrs! I inherited an Amazon when a neighbor died and the police were going to call animal control. I had met the bird over the course of a week 3 years prior and he lived in a dark stinky bedroom in a dirty cage. I got a mean frightened bird in a dirty dirty cage. He sat in the cage with his back to me for 2 weeks. Every time I would clean the cage feed or change his water he would try to bite. I know he had a bad life but I feel like an abused spouse! I've had him a year. He only goes in his cage to eat and drink. He rarely lets me rub his face. He wants to"step up" but has bitten me so many times I won't do it. I use a stick! Do you think he will always be mean? I wouldn't let him anywhere near my face! He got in my arm once and crawled up my neck. I looked like Dracula had lucnh
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Old 12-07-2017, 12:58 AM
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Every time I would clean the cage feed or change his water he would try to bite. I know he had a bad life but I feel like an abused spouse! I've had him a year. He only goes in his cage to eat and drink. He rarely lets me rub his face. He wants to"step up" but has bitten me so many times I won't do it. I use a stick! Do you think he will always be mean?
Honestly, he doesn't sound mean to me. It sounds like the only way he knows how to communicate is through biting. He's not comfortable with you around his cage, so he communicates in the only way he knows. He's not comfortable with hands, so again, he communicates in the only way he knows how to. Through biting.


"Yes", he will always be mean if you think he's mean. "No", if you can learn how to communicate with him in a way that wont result in getting bitten. It does require changing how you think and interact with him though. It's not something that will change overnight or within days, because you are trying to undue everything he's learned, and the longer a behavior has been reinforced for, the longer it may take to undue.


You start by using the methods employed by Positive Reinforcement Training, Applied Behavior Analytics, the ABC's of Behavior and Force Free Animal Training.
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Old 12-07-2017, 09:21 AM
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Well then! Can you please expand my signature pics and take a look at Gonzo? I've always assumed he is a BFA, but perhaps a variant?
Gonzo is, without a doubt, a blue fronted amazon. Blue fronted amazons have black beaks with varying amounts of blue or yellow to the head. Some blue fronts may have minimal or no yellow where-as others may have minimal to no blue. Blue fronts without blue are probably more common than blue fronts without yellow... as odd as that may sound.


Orange wings on the other hand should always have blue and yellow heads and a two-toned beak. They are also smaller than blue fronts.


Here's a picture of a blue front and an orange wing - although the website says they are both blue fronts....

http://www.parrot-bird.com/parrot-pi...parrots-01.jpg


This site has both species labeled correctly

https://www.hbw.com/ibc/photo/orange...a-aestiva-left



Or a great shot of just an orange wing amazon's head

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3259/2...ca69c790_b.jpg



And this is what you get when you don't realize that they are separate species and allow them to breed.






Amber, it sounds like you two are making great progress!!!! If you teach Oscar some target training, it will make it easier to get him moved around!
That second picture looks like a hawk-headed Amazon! Beautiful!
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UPDATE: Oscar is doing great! He has his days, yesterday he didn't want me to touch him at all, so I didn't, I just sat outside of his cage and spoke to him. It seems so weird but I just tell him everything I am doing, like right now I am telling him I am writing in a parrot forum Oscar, and reading it aloud to him. He seems so interested in me talking, a nice change from my other child, a teenage boy lol. Oscar loves climbing on me when my boys get home. He started doing tricks for my husband, when my husband stretches his arms and makes a growl noise, Oscar does a flip on his door perch! He even walked onto my husbands chest and started picking at his beard. That terrified my husband because Oscar still will not let him touch, pet, head scratch, nothing without trying to bite him, but its a great start!
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