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Old 12-04-2018, 10:40 AM
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I try to do flapping with Sam every day. He really does love it, but still shows no interest in flying. Our vet always said it is because he was removed from the flock too early and never really learned about flying. When he does try to fly, he is so clumsy I get scared for him. If Amy does fly, how does he look?
Amy has no clue on how to fly. He has made a couple lame attempts,always when he got spooked from someone/something and even being fully clothed,the poor thing just thudded to the floor all sprawled out
He had his sleeves shortened when I got him from the breeder when he was just four months old,and I never let them grow all the way back in coz he was always going outside/for rides in my car or tractor-trailer. I always thought that for birdies it was a natural instinct to flap,I had no idea they needed to be taught! My mistake and now Amy is paying for it


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Old 12-04-2018, 10:46 AM
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Re: Flapping lessons..

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I try to do flapping with Sam every day. He really does love it, but still shows no interest in flying. Our vet always said it is because he was removed from the flock too early and never really learned about flying. When he does try to fly, he is so clumsy I get scared for him. If Amy does fly, how does he look?
I have to wonder if this might be something BFAs are more prone to? It seems quite a few people have gotten birds of other species who've never flown and successfully taught flight, but on this forum alone I know of at least 3 BFAs (and likely a few more if I poured over old threads) who've been given the opportunity to learn and flat refused (my own included).
I agree 100% April! Amy would rather "walk" somewhere,or hitch a ride on me or her perch stick. I can't imagine how many miles she has on those little legs/feet in the almost thirty years lol.


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that was 18 weeks old 5/20/2016,






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Old 12-04-2018, 11:24 AM
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Re: Flapping lessons..

Jim; fantastic news!!

But now I feel compelled to play the part of mama bird kicking the fledge kiddos out of the nest for their own good:.

You’ve been doing the flapping now for how long? Feels like a year at least. Even if it’s been 6 months; I feel like you’ve long since gotten everything your gonna get from just flapping alone - unless it’s a fun bonding exercise. When are you gonna graduate and step up to the next level??
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Old 12-04-2018, 11:55 AM
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Re: Flapping lessons..

If you have had a chance to watch a young Parrot fledge, the remarkable take away is their total lack of the fear of falling /crashing. If they for whatever reason fail to learn to fly at this stage, the further they age, the more one will see them resist any attempt to flying. Years later, with the exception of being scared they come to a point that they refuse to fly.

Refledging an Adult Parrot requires an extended time (years) to first build the needed underlying strength to support flight (muscle, heart and air-sacks). Next, developing confidants in being able to land and more importantly land safely. And last, but not least, find their way safely around while flying.

Are BFA's more likely to refuse flying over other Amazons /Parrots. No! My friends have a wide cross-section of large Parrots and the non-flighted majority all have a fear of flying. The wide cross section of Amazons that have ruled our home have all shown this fear. Some learned to fly again, some never had enough time to be able.

Julio, our DYHA is a life long flyer and was only dropped rock status for about fourteen months. He is once again a strong flyer.
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Old 12-04-2018, 01:38 PM
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Re: Flapping lessons..

Sam did try to fly when he was a baby. I got him at 11 weeks, so he wasn't yet afraid. However, he did fly into a ceiling fan while it was going once. Scared the s**t out of me, so I clipped him for a while. Then, my OWA Rocky got out while being transported for 4 days in February in a NY winter. We were so lucky to get him back. That bird could fly with lift with totally clipped wings! All of the drama caused me to keep Sam clipped for way too long. I was young and stupid, so the poor baby never learned to fly.

I guess at 35, it is too late for him. He does enjoy his flapping lessons, though.
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Old 12-04-2018, 02:39 PM
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Re: Flapping lessons..

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Jim; fantastic news!!

But now I feel compelled to play the part of mama bird kicking the fledge kiddos out of the nest for their own good:.

You’ve been doing the flapping now for how long? Feels like a year at least. Even if it’s been 6 months; I feel like you’ve long since gotten everything your gonna get from just flapping alone - unless it’s a fun bonding exercise. When are you gonna graduate and step up to the next level??
Ya Chris I started about a year ago I guess but I wasn't really consistent with it coz Amy didn't show the enthusiasm that he does now. He did seem like just being/doing something with dad one-on-one without Beebers being involved was good enough.

Now that he has pretty much got the ok from his CAV to start doing this I make it a point to do at least two sessions a day. Where will all this lead? I'm not sure. The ultimate goal is to see Amy do what he was created to do..FLY! If/when I see his very first flight it'll put a huge on my face,knowing I accomplished something good for him. After all his health IS the utmost importance!
So,for the time being,we will flap,I will monitor his heart as 'Boats mentioned,I have a real cool scale now to weigh them anytime I want,His/their diet is constantly being upgraded/worked on.

Even if Amy still shows no interest in zooming around the house like BB does (Lordy that would be a sight to see!) I'd still feel good knowing I helped in the quality of his life.


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Re: Flapping lessons..



Hi Jim.

I am happy right now. My baby Kise did some progress last night and this morning for flapping/jumping from perch to my arm. Not far but in progress… *DANCES** It gets better… She is not afraid from falling.

Go Amy GO!!!!!!!! You did WELL
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Old 12-05-2018, 09:04 PM
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Re:More on the flapping lessons..

...Today and tonight was more flapping. Tonight the session was "different" then the others,it's going to be hard to explain. You know the "sound" a birds wings make ( I'm going to use proper terminology with this post ) when they flap? Like a "whooshing" sound (for the proper word) like when they fly? Obviously it is more pronounced with a larger bird, i.e. Amazon or Grey,than it is with a Budgie or Cockatiel.
Tonight I heard a lot of whooshing I guess the harder they flap the louder the whoosh.

With previous sessions I didn't hear any whooshing so I figure that's when Amy was half-heartedly arm waving...errr I mean wing flapping
I've been trying to listen to her heart before and after these lessons but my hearing really sucks . I just might purchase a cheap-o stethoscope just for her lol.




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Re: Flapping lessons..

LOL, that is great Jim!


Yup I know what you mean, there is 'just flapping' and there is that "dry-flying" that almost sounds like a "ready to take off"
(Appie does that a lot lately: firmly clasping a twig, but flapping away like she it trying to lift herself AND the branch she is clinging on to --> getting rid of hormonal frustration the right way. She can fly like the best, but preferes this ...)
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Old 12-06-2018, 08:35 AM
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Re: Flapping lessons..

This thread is fascinating to me. Gloria (BFA) is 33 and we adopted her as a rehome 3 years ago. Her wings were clipped and our CAV said that I should allow them to grow back which has taken the full three years--she just has one feather in one wing to go. Anyway, she'll sometimes stand on top of her play yard and flap furiously which I've figured she just did for exercise. On rare occasion, she'll just take off and fly into the next room (our floor plan is pretty open where she lives) which is spectacular to see and terrifies the cats. I feel I need to work with her on landing. She pretty much stays on her cage top play yard but she has a rolling perch that I use to take her into other rooms. I've been trying to coax her to fly to it as I used to just roll it over to her to step on. Lately she's been lazy about doing so. She seems to have trouble judging the landing spot so I've been trying to move the perch a little farther away each time she flies to it but more than 4 feet or so, she won't do it. I'm wondering how you get Amy to flap!
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