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Old 02-15-2019, 10:46 AM
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Jim- As seen in another post you recommended an annual wellness exam for all birds. With that I started my search into finding a CAV. Everyone locally kept recommending this particular clinic. When I called they "weren't sure on certification" when I asked if they were a CAV. They do exam birds and do a wellness check up, trim nails, and if ABSOLUTELY NEEDED trim beaks...but "why would you ever need that done!" (keep in mind I was asking in the event it needs to be maintained)

I now continue my search with an actual CAV about 2.45 hours away. My question is, is the world lacking in CAV? Is it common to have to travel to see one!? What do you all do in the event of an emergency. After my talk with the local place I wasn't much impressed with them even as a back up option. They really seemed to question why I would do a nail trim. They ended it with they usually refer patients to a university clinic 2 hours away.

All the same the search continues for a reputable clinic.
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Re: Socializing & Training

but
but
but


you HAVE experience!
(I quote: "We are only parakeet and cockatiel parents prior to George ")


so...you know what a bird is, wants, needs and understand a lot of bird-body-language already.
You do not have to learn a whole other language -> it's just a bird with a different accent.


You can obviously do that
and I think you are doing great!
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Re: Socializing & Training

There are some "exotics" vets that pass in a pinch. The one you visited would not be one that I would trust.
A good exotics vet should be able to take blood safely, trim beak/nails, do a gram-stain, x-rays etc..
The problem is, many exotics places claim to be able to do these things and then do them wrong...
The biggest perks of a CAV will be A) knowledge of bird illness/conditions/sanitation and B) technique/capabilities.

I sometimes take Noodles to a vet who is a non CAV just because of the options locally (and due to the fact that they do a decent job, so long as I do my homework ahead of time).

I have had to insist that they test her for things that they didn't want to test her for and I turned out to be correct. They just asren't as in-tune with birds and their physiology...
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I recently found out there are no CAV's in my state! Lucky for me there is a good exotic vet in my town.

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Old 02-15-2019, 02:26 PM
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Yes the first vet we called was gross. Left me with a horrible taste in my mouth so to speak. I next reached out to a clinic an hour away in another state. They were recommended by our current vet who we have been with since I was a child. (well over 30 years experience)

This new vet left me feeling much more hopeful. The said they do see birds. The first visit we do they will want to perform a basic blood test to establish a base for him. Next they pretty much demanded a pssitacosi test( no experience with this but I understand the importance), and they can safely do nails, beaks and wings(No thanks). They even offered to show me how to do nails on my own at home so I don't have to travel for that. They only see birds in the warmer months though unless its an emergency/must see situation. We live in the north so its nice to see them take that precaution.

So I am feeling much more hopeful now. I can't say I will be taking over nail trimmings but the offer was appreciated.
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Old 02-16-2019, 09:23 AM
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Re: Socializing & Training

Quote: Originally Posted by Birdmom12 View Post
Jim- As seen in another post you recommended an annual wellness exam for all birds. With that I started my search into finding a CAV. Everyone locally kept recommending this particular clinic. When I called they "weren't sure on certification" when I asked if they were a CAV. They do exam birds and do a wellness check up, trim nails, and if ABSOLUTELY NEEDED trim beaks...but "why would you ever need that done!" (keep in mind I was asking in the event it needs to be maintained)

I now continue my search with an actual CAV about 2.45 hours away. My question is, is the world lacking in CAV? Is it common to have to travel to see one!? What do you all do in the event of an emergency. After my talk with the local place I wasn't much impressed with them even as a back up option. They really seemed to question why I would do a nail trim. They ended it with they usually refer patients to a university clinic 2 hours away.

All the same the search continues for a reputable clinic.

Well I guess I'm lucky then The Animal hospital I've been seeing for over thirty years has two CAV's. The name of the place even shows they specialize in avian companions. " Kensington BIRD and Animal Hospital" and the place is just twenty minutes from me. I also found a 24/7 hospital that has a CAV on call for emergencies that's also twenty minutes away.
I'm thankful for being as close as I am. Many years ago Smokey,my TAG,bit Amy's tongue that required five stitches!

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Old 02-16-2019, 11:25 AM
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Re: Socializing & Training

I think spring hormones have started at our household. First we thought the parakeet was perhaps dying. She's fairly old and her mate just died...nope she has once again found a toy suitable enough for egg laying. The cage is practically bare because of how often she egg lays...anything and everything will work for her.

George has also had a rough 3 days lately. He has minimal interest in target training, he seems very pegged, tense, and high strung. He's also gone into shredder mode. His toys, curtains, and blankets are not safe. Even removing them from his sight doesn't work...he finds them. Cleaning his cage today was a challenge. He came down to watch me then hissed and barked at me. I finally barked back at him and said beat it...he left me alone after that but still was angry. He's now aggressively attacking a dog kong on top of his cage.

At least he's working through some of his fruastrations. I'm opting to give him space while he's working through this. When he becomes to destructive its back to the cage he goes for a little quiet time.

On the bright side I did find a food he enjoys...cooked carrots with apple slices. He usually ends up wearing most of it which is comical.
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Re: Socializing & Training

"Social Learning Theory, theorized by Albert Bandura, posits that people learn from one another, via observation, imitation, and modeling."

Similarly, bird, especially zons have the aptitude to pick up tricks fast through observation.

The fastest way to train e zon to learn new stuff be it step up etc is to demonstrate the act through a tame bird that is able to perform e act. For example, get a bird to step-up multiple times and reward it. Do this in front of your zon that you are trying to teach.

This is a faster way of getting the zon to understand what you wnt it to do.
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Re: Socializing & Training

Yup , its that time of year. Your doing great and he's responding well to his new life. The hormonal stuff can be a bump in the road but dont let it stop you from continued bonding , stay the course with target training and your relationship, the barking back is hilarious but important because his understanding of the bark is to send you away and you barking back say's no! Keep playing on the cues he gives you because as you can see its working! He's testing the waters so keep doing what your doing , he's on the same page but in his mind trying to find his place within the flock.

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Re: Socializing & Training

I've just discovered this and I very much enjoyed reading it!

I picked up a few of your questions...

Yes, the world seems short of CAVs! I live in the UK and am spoilt by 2 CAVs within 45 minutes drive.

The gentle bite you described, I think before he stepped onto you? Was it more like he was hooking you with his beak? In which case he may just have been steadying himself or testing the potential perch was secure before he trusted it with his weight.

As for more tricks, look up "capturing". You can do it when he's in his cage and it involves no input from you other than clicking and treating. The first thing I captured was a wave. I captured the 'twirl' as I call it rather than doing the way you describe where the bird basically follows your finger or a treat held above it's head.

I think him flying to you is fantastic, especially when he's unsure of something. It really seems you're developing a beautiful bond. I'm very happy he's staying with you.

Hormones make monsters or the sweetest birds. My Alexandrine went through really puberty last year. I just ignored him and let him do his thing, but he was such a grump!! I suggest you don't give him the opportunity to bite you when he's like this, maybe delay step up training for a while.

After hormone season though you could try getting him used to being on your skin by target training him over your hand, so he literally walks over you to get to the target. Just keep your hand still and don't try and lift him until he is totally comfortable.
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