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Old 02-21-2019, 04:32 PM
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Re: Socializing & Training

Having a very long life with Amazons, I have long ago come to understand that one always keeps eye contact with them. This is especially true when one is working in and around their cage /perch. This starts with a discussion with them about coming over to the cage /perch and what you going to do. All the way from asking for a set-up, to changing water, to cleaning, or removing /placing a toy.
This gets their attentions and time for them to react /display.
The AmaZone is a real place and an Amazon can be looking at you, but day-dreaming about something else.
Humans assume way too much and become lax in being aware of what is happening around them.
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Old 02-21-2019, 04:43 PM
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I like your explanation of this SailBoat. After it happened I realized 1-ok I should have gone slower and paid better attention...I later had to call myself a dummy. Everyone relates amazons to a wild animal...

Sure they depend on us for food, clean housing, etc...but they're more wild then domesticated... The attack was my fault...but now I have to remind myself constantly to pay attention to the signs and do better.
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Old 02-22-2019, 09:24 AM
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What do you all do during hormone season to avoid attacks/outburst with your Amazons?

I noticed today during breakfast that George was still VERY angry with me. I talked to him nicely and went slow...telling him the entire time I'm going to clean your bowls and get you fresh food and water buddy. He didn't care he marched right over, eyes pinned, hissing at me. I eventually asked him to come sit on a perch on the other side of the cage...it took a couple times but he finally listened. I had to move fast then to get the bowls out before he charged back over furious!

He did come out yesterday for his normal stretch. He performed nicely and targeted well with my Husband. He even let him skritch the back of his head while he munched on a snack. George did however angrily watch me from the door way... I kept my distance knowing I'm not on good terms with him.

Any advice you all have to get us through this hormonal time?
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Old 02-22-2019, 11:33 AM
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GEORGE UPDATE:

Was just given an update from the shelter George came from. I guess the previous owners girlfriend stopped by to see him and saw he was adopted. She apparently lied on her paperwork. Turns out George has killed another bird before. She claimed it was accidental... but he punctured a conure and she died. She also stated hes not 35 years old but more like 17-19years old. She still has contact with the original owner.

I wish I could talk to the original owner and find out why hes been passed around, how his life has been prior etc... I suppose this is a wish every parrot person has though.
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Re: Socializing & Training

Quote: Originally Posted by Birdmom12 View Post
I wish I could talk to the original owner and find out why hes been passed around, how his life has been prior etc... I suppose this is a wish every parrot person has though.

I feel you!

Same here, it is *so* infuriating getting only halftruths (or knowing nothing at all). I hope you can get to the original owner and get some straight answers.

I still have contact information for all 3 of mine- and they keep telling me bull**** as well. Of course it is never easy confessing to your own foul-ups and the birds lesser endearing qualities- but if it helps the bird ... why do they stay silent?
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Is George really just hormonal? (and therefore unreasonable)
Of is he just figuring out who has the right to go first at things, who decides what happens etc..

I am still a bit fuzzy/confused because people/scientists keep claiming there is no pecking order in parrotflocks, but there is definitely some sort dominance going on, there are always individuals who have 'the right of way' in a flock.
Because if(!) the scientists have it all wrong, just babying our birds and trying to get along at all costs is the wrong thing to do, then we really have to step up in the "my way or the highway" rules.


and if that is so- you need to become something else than your flocks punching-bag...
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Old 02-23-2019, 08:49 AM
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I wish I could talk to the original owner and find out why hes been passed around, how his life has been prior etc... I suppose this is a wish every parrot person has though.

I feel you!

Same here, it is *so* infuriating getting only halftruths (or knowing nothing at all). I hope you can get to the original owner and get some straight answers.

I still have contact information for all 3 of mine- and they keep telling me bull**** as well. Of course it is never easy confessing to your own foul-ups and the birds lesser endearing qualities- but if it helps the bird ... why do they stay silent?
Running into wall never makes anyone happy




Is George really just hormonal? (and therefore unreasonable)
Of is he just figuring out who has the right to go first at things, who decides what happens etc..

I am still a bit fuzzy/confused because people/scientists keep claiming there is no pecking order in parrotflocks, but there is definitely some sort dominance going on, there are always individuals who have 'the right of way' in a flock.
Because if(!) the scientists have it all wrong, just babying our birds and trying to get along at all costs is the wrong thing to do, then we really have to step up in the "my way or the highway" rules.


and if that is so- you need to become something else than your flocks punching-bag...

I hear you Parrots are an extremely complex creature! Sad to say I think George is full blown hormones at the moment...if anything! Yesterday I could not safely get his fresh food dish out of his cage. I left it thinking I will have his chosen human do it...makes sense right.

NOPE

When I told my husband I needed help getting the dish he goes...Oh George isn't coming out today. I said "What?" He replied George is a bit angry...really angry actually its better he just stays in his cage... we will have to work on the dish through out the day.

Apparently George was doing the big bird dance, feather flaring, and BIG HISSES to my husband as well. Needless to say he spent the day in his cage with us just spending time near it. Today isn't proving to be much better. I talked to him this morning, talked to him as I did the other birds dishes, and finally I went slowly to his cage to do his. He charged over, hissing at me, preparing to lunge. I finally got all dishes out but he was PISSED.

Its incredibly frustrating because from a distance he's sweet talking, fluffed up and relaxed... but the moment anyone approaches its GAME ON.

Hormones if that's what it is really mess with a persons mind! Its like a bad relationship. Last week you loved me...now you want to murder me.
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Old 02-25-2019, 04:42 PM
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George still seems to be struggling with hormones he is on day 3 of being caged and I feel rather cruel. Every time I go to let him out he starts hissing, eyes pinning, and panting. Its a struggle to even get his food dishes out sometimes.

Is it "ok" to keep him caged during this time? Or is it only adding to his stress?

I hate seeing him caged all day but I also fear letting him out only to see him go mad. Every time I think he's calmed down enough to let out he starts hissing and panting again.
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I need help!

I think I said in a previous post that George had anger issues towards woman at his last home.

Today the little devil dive bombed my head again! At least I think that’s what he was doing. He was cage top I walked into the room said hi George! His eyes pinned and he flew right at me ..but he flew higher and towards my head. After the last attack I naturally flinched and dunked like I know I shouldn’t. He flew down towards me around and landed on a stand and instantly shouted hello!

What can I do to make this better?
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UPDATE:

Georgia is on about week 3 of training. Her new sleep schedule which we have been doing for about 5 weeks is going well. She wakes up much happier, easier to handle, and over all calmer. She goes to her sleep room at 7, shades get closed at 8, and she gets her shades reopened at 6am.

I'm continuing with my efforts to expand her diet. Its proving to be difficult! She would rather eat pea pods and blueberries all day. I recently made chop, mash, and birdie bread. All of these have been given a great look of disgust and ignored. I have however expanded our effort to bird tea. She chirped sweetly at the bits I sprinkled on her mash as a trial. Some of the tea was eaten... the mash ignored.

Her anger towards myself is also improving. Some days however, we take a step back but generally speaking there is improvement. Any time I cross her path I drop a treat in her dish. If shes by the wall I let her choose a nut from a container. In the container I have small bits mixed with large pieces. I figured letting her choose upped the reward. Shes now to the point were if she sees me she charges over and chirps waiting for her treat. Since we started this she has only attacked the cage bars maybe 4 times. Keep in mind attacking the bars was happening EVERY TIME I passed. So for being on week 3 with only 4 attacks is great. If she does attack I stand there and look at her. Once she mellows out a bit I drop a treat in her dish and walk away. Always ending on a positive I'm not a threat note.

When shes out of her cage shes only come for me 2x since we started. (Wings were clipped for training since her aggression was so high). When she flies down to the floor I'm suppose to get a perch and take her back to a safe zone. I'm still nervous about doing this. I can tell shes not there yet by the look and flares I get but hopefully soon. When shes out of her cage if I get to close her tail fans, eyes pin, and head feathers fluff. The trainer said always avoid getting to that level of excitement. With that progress is slow.

Her masturbation is slightly decreasing but it still happens. I've noticed I bring it out of her the most. It can be triggered by me walking by, approaching with a nut, my talking, or just the sight of me. When she does this shes ignored or we turn our back to her.

I have noticed she loves to talk to me. When my husband comes home she does contact calls (which we are trying to stop). When I am around though she says "hello" "HI!" "OHH" "how are you!" "woof" "HA HA HA" or does her ever so cute cat call whistle. So I talk back to her but I'm thinking perhaps I should stop this. I've noticed when we get chatting her flares up. If the excitement gets to be to much she then aggressively attacks her rubber ring toy.

Another cause for concern, I think shes trying to regurgitate for me. I've noticed lately she gets excited and bobs her head. Sometimes though during the head bob she thrashes her head to the back like shes trying to hack something up. If she is trying to "Feed me" I really don't want to encourage this. Its usually done though when I am eating. Initially I would give her a bite of corn or couscous (its always during meal prep lunches) and once she gets her share she stops.

Over all though progress is slow but the light at the end of the tunnel is starting to show a little bit.
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Re: Socializing & Training

Good progress ! Amazons are ruled by their bellies and the quickest way to their heart is that route. With some birds its 3 steps forward , 2 steps ( or 4) back. I dont see that contact calls are bad, it lets her know who is where in the house or coming in, but once answered with your own contact call, should cease. When I leave the room, Salty will call in a few seconds, but stop after I tell him "I'm here , where are you?" Be consistent in this. Same response, every time. I think those will diminish.

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