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Birdmom12 01-31-2019 09:26 AM

Socializing & Training
 
Hello,

I'm looking for advice on how others socialized, trained and helped their birds become a well adjusted family member.

I'm looking into the target training and plan to start this weekend. The training will be for our cockatiel and our newer addition a 35 year old BFA. Our amazon is tame in regards to he will step up on his terms, nicely plays outside the cage, and isn't easy to lash out. Our tiel on the other hand is very fearful.

My ultimate goal is the following

1- Work on stepping up for all members of the house hold (not just the chosen one)Hoping to have a healthy balance within the family so that everyone can interact in a fun and safe way. I realize there will always be a favorite but wouldn't it be nice to have more then one friend.

2- Socialize so that vet visits and fun outings are possible (Unknown how this was done with previous owners)

3- HOPEFUL that we can harness train. This will allow us outside time during the warmer months.

I do realize this will take months of dedication and progress will likely be slow. Hoping to hear how others have achieved this in the past.

ChristaNL 01-31-2019 04:43 PM

Re: Socializing & Training
 
Those are some great goals :)


It really depends on the bird and the trust and interaction you have.
Sometimes you can go really fast and sometimes it is agonizingly slow.





Sunny: 1 year W.I.P. and still going zzzzlowly ...


socializing: she stopped biting me because other people in the room scared her...so thats nice.
She (only? ) now starts flirting/ reaching out to my friends she sees regularly, accepting snacks from their hands (still through the bars of the cage, she is now progressing to hands through the open door) without acting out.
(She went from almost attacking the hands -instead of just taking the food/treat- to taking even very smal nuts slowly and gently from between fingers or open palm)


Small steps some days, no steps on other days, sometimes a big leap no-one saw coming (my closest friends are non-parrot-experience-people/ they love animals and are willing to try, but they are not very confident ... that lack of experience also does not help) -- steep learning curve for all involved. :D

AmyMyBlueFront 02-01-2019 08:26 AM

Re: Socializing & Training
 
Amy started socializing at a very young age ( four months old). My intention was to have him come with me in my tractor-trailer on trips. So I took him outside a lot ( I shortened his sleeves on his arms) and we'd go places in the car to see/meet people. I took him EVERYWHERE and still do. It came to the point where he'd ask me "out side? in the car?" and still does! With weather permitting,we go to stores,to see his buddys at the pet store,wal-mart...he rides on the carriage handle bars talking to anyone who will listen. We took a trip a couple summers ago to visit Al (Wrench13) and Salty..a 2.5 hr ride and when I stopped to pay a bridge toll,the gate keeper said "Hi bird!" (Amy was on my shoulder) and Amy said HELLO! right back at him! As I was about to leave the guy said that made his week :D

BB on the other hand is flighted and he only goes out in his carrier. He seems to like car rides coz he'll chirp and talk alittle. I'd like to get him harness trained but I don't thin he'd groove on that idea. :o


Jim

Birdmom12 02-01-2019 09:52 AM

Re: Socializing & Training
 
Harness training I think will be TRICKY. But I would LOVE to get him outside so he can feel the sun, safely fly, and in general be out and about with us.

We started to clicker train last night. Kirby (Tiel) was very much enthused with the idea! JoJo.... eh not so much. To be honest though he really ignores me. Whenever I come near JoJo he turns his back on me. I also have yet to find his high reward treat! He likes walnuts but it doesn't exactly make him JUMP when I say Jump if you get what I mean. I think our first hurdle will be to have him at least humor me instead of giving me the cold shoulder.

AmyMyBlueFront 02-01-2019 01:29 PM

Re: Socializing & Training
 
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Originally Posted by Birdmom12 (Post 795142)
Harness training I think will be TRICKY. But I would LOVE to get him outside so he can feel the sun, safely fly, and in general be out and about with us.

We started to clicker train last night. Kirby (Tiel) was very much enthused with the idea! JoJo.... eh not so much. To be honest though he really ignores me. Whenever I come near JoJo he turns his back on me. I also have yet to find his high reward treat! He likes walnuts but it doesn't exactly make him JUMP when I say Jump if you get what I mean. I think our first hurdle will be to have him at least humor me instead of giving me the cold shoulder.

For some odd reason BB will now try and bite his "uncle david" when before he'd go right to him. He will however tolerate David if I'm not around ( to the point he can't see me) Now that Beebs sleeves have been shortened ( did this so he wouldn't zoom from me coz he needs to take meds for a couple weeks for an infection he has) If he happens to do a flapflap he'll land softly on the floor and run to David to climb up. It's funny though,watching his little legs go a mile a minute lol. Amy doesn't/cant fly and she likes to "waddle" across the floor.


Jim

Birdmom12 02-01-2019 02:06 PM

Re: Socializing & Training
 
Jim-

Our JoJo sounds similar to your BB. JoJo tolerates me in the way of he will take treats from me and for a short moment play with foot toys with me. He will however NOT step up for me. If I try and hes not in the mood he lets me know.

If his chosen person(husband) is in the room he lights up! If he hears him in another room he takes off and flies the house until he finds him. (Trying to break him of this habit) Hes also the only one JoJo will step up for or remotely listen to. Have to say I'm rather jealous of the love JoJo shows him but hoping our relationship can grow as time progresses.

Birdmom12 02-01-2019 02:20 PM

Re: Socializing & Training
 
Maybe someone can be of help with this question.

I am STILL learning the ways of the parrot when it comes to body language. To say I wasn't slightly intimidated would be a lie. (this may be my big down fall)

When I am talking to our Amazon his eyes will wildly dilate. I've read this can be both excitement or fear... you obviously have to pair it up with what else their body is saying.

However, when ever I approach or talk to him his eyes do this. Some days he hunches over wings spread, other days his whole body fluffs up into a big fluffy ball, other days hes head down and eyeing me. I've tried talking softer, further away, no direct eye contact, and having treats on hand so he can associate me with good times.

I'm still struggling though with if he is excited or fearful. So far my approach has been slow and on his terms. I don't want to take the wrong step and really damage a forming relationship. On the other hand though I don't want to be some background piece he never has a relationship with. So far when hes been out I have been doing the chair technique and sitting by him doing my own thing/talking to him.

Birdmom12 02-01-2019 05:48 PM

Re: Socializing & Training
 
Help! When target training tonight things were going well or so I thought. He was targeting, hearing the click, then being rewarded with a walnut which he took nice. I moved the stick further away to get him to follow it. I was gently saying come on when he suddenly hopped and lunged for me. (We were only about 3 clicks in tonight so it was just starting) he then moments later went for me again when I was just standing by giving him a moment. What am I doing wrong?

ChristaNL 02-02-2019 02:03 AM

Re: Socializing & Training
 
Probably nothing.

Sometimes a bird will just "have had enough".
Getting used to training is also a form of training, and concentrating is hard work!

So it is more or less normal they act out a bit afterwards untill they get used to it.

It is like playgrouds around schools are always extra-extra noisy-- I think the kids are compensating for being physically still and having to focus for a longish time.

A lot of our training-with-parrots is teaching them "unnatural things" and that sometimes builds up a lot of tension: the innerbird telling it to "get out as fast as you can" but the human asks it to stay (and there are treats!).
Asking a bird to think really, really hard about something (puzzlesolving) will do the same- sometimes they will just 'explode'.


Sunny always compensates trainingtime by playing hard -> throwing in extra force or extra speed compared to the normal playing.
Chewing/ tearing things really helps her - so maybe give your bird something to destroy after might help as well?


One thing is to rethink the rewards: if the pieces are too large he will be "full" soon and lose interest (if they are too small he may decide it is not worth it) ...you will figure out the least amount that will motivate him, that just takes time ;)


You will learn to read your bird soon enough- they always tell you they are almost done with the session.
When that happens- ask them to do something they've succesfully done, and end it there.
(Always end on a high note if you can manage it, let the sweet smell of succes linger ;) )
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and remember: you are BOTH learning, so mistakes are allowed for both!
No student is perfect but - surprise- neither is the teacher.

Flynhigh 02-02-2019 09:53 PM

Re: Socializing & Training
 
Keep your training sessions short , 5min max end on a good note. If you do 3 well , stop end it there . Try again later. Progress is progress. Your doing wonderful.


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