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Old 10-18-2020, 03:24 PM
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Re: Might Be Adopting an Older Amazon

Take great care with clicker training! Always include a verbal signal with the click. Why? At some point, you will not have the clicker at hand and a verbal signal is the only thing you have...
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Re: Might Be Adopting an Older Amazon

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Take great care with clicker training! Always include a verbal signal with the click. Why? At some point, you will not have the clicker at hand and a verbal signal is the only thing you have...
I never use the clicker, because like you said, I never have it on me! So it’s always a very animated “Good girl!!! Good boy!!!” (Who knows what s/he is.)

It’s always said with the same excited inflection, it brings his/her attention to me and not some invisible abstraction. But...

If I had a bird that was motivated by food, and I wanted to teach him tricks, I would use the clicker. But not only doesn’t Archie care about food treats, he doesn’t do anything wrong which would call for a clicker. Unless...

If he nibbles too hard on a finger, could I use the clicker to discourage THAT!?

I never thought about this until now, using it as a negative reinforcement tool.
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Old 10-18-2020, 03:54 PM
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Re: Might Be Adopting an Older Amazon

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Sorry to disagree with pvc Playstation idea, pvc can off gas, the vet wrap deterioration, and it's a hard unforgiving surface that is bone straight. I had adventures with pvc. I much prefer natural branches, or rope.
PVC does not give off gas, unless you’re going to use PVC glue/cement for the connectors, and even then, the fumes dissipate quickly. I used small wood screws though.

As for vet wrap, it’s easy and dirt cheap to fix/replace, and totally safe.
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Old 10-18-2020, 03:57 PM
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Re: Might Be Adopting an Older Amazon

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Take great care with clicker training! Always include a verbal signal with the click. Why? At some point, you will not have the clicker at hand and a verbal signal is the only thing you have...
I never use the clicker, because like you said, I never have it on me! So it’s always a very animated “Good girl!!! Good boy!!!” (Who knows what s/he is.)

It’s always said with the same excited inflection, it brings his/her attention to me and not some invisible abstraction. But...

If I had a bird that was motivated by food, and I wanted to teach him tricks, I would use the clicker. But not only doesn’t Archie care about food treats, he doesn’t do anything wrong which would call for a clicker. Unless...

If he nibbles too hard on a finger, could I use the clicker to discourage THAT!?

I never thought about this until now, using it as a negative reinforcement tool.

I use the clicker method minus the clicker, sort of like you do. An excited YESSSS when Bumble does what she’s supposed to. I don’t have enough hands for a bird and treats and maybe trick props and a clicker! Works great though.

I’m sure you could work with the biting using that method - just give the reinforcement when he stops or when he catches himself? Supposedly you can get dogs to stop barking that way, but my dogs just learned that if they barked. I would say quiet and then they would get a treat. Haha!


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Re: Might Be Adopting an Older Amazon

Don't worry, I'm going to train at least two bridges (clicker and verbal). If she ends up being good at flying (I've had a couple of birds over the years who really struggle to fly due to physiological problems), I might try using a whistle for flight training outdoors since whistles have a sound that carries farther and can be varied to give different instructions. I tend to prefer using tools to make the bridge for me (like a clicker) rather than a verbal bridge since I can't always muster up the energy to be giving verbal instructions AND praising them. Plus, it's quicker to make a click than it is to say "good".

I actually bought this awesome clicker/target hybrid that can be clipped to your shirt. When I trained Noah, it took quite a bit of skill to hold a clicker, a target stick, and a treat all in one hand

I've taken a few courses with the Animal Behavior Institute, so I'm fairly comfortable working with exotic animals. I actually tend to trust them more than I do dogs, since I know what can set "wild" animals off and how to approach them in a way that's less likely to end in a negative reaction from the animal, whereas there's this expectation with dogs that you should be able to do whatever you want with them without them trying to take a chunk out of you. Like, I can have my face right up to Noah or Rosie without having to worry about them attacking me, but if I do the same with our chihuahuas, there's a decent chance they'll grab my face out of fear.

As for teaching a dog not to bark using a clicker, one of the methods is to train them to bark on cue and reward them, but ONLY reward them when cued. Most animals will only perform behaviours when it's rewarding in some way, and the idea of performing trained behaviours for "free" isn't appealing for them, so they'll be less likely to bark when you don't ask them to, since they won't be rewarded unless you've cued the behaviour.
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Old 10-19-2020, 11:23 AM
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Re: Might Be Adopting an Older Amazon

Fudge, that was bad! I opened up the top of Jasper's cage to see if she'd come out for me, and after ten minutes or so she came out, and I had her step up for me. Everything was going well for several minutes, until she suddenly decided to launch herself across the room and smash into the sliding doors. What's worse is that Dad's wimpy chihuahua was laying there when she went crashing to the floor. Then she heads straight for the dog in his bed, so I have to yank him and his bed out of the room before there's a fight.

She's fine, just a bit shaken, and she steps up for me. I show her that the sliding doors are in fact made of an invisible force field. Before I can even head towards her cage, she suddenly takes off again, barely clearing my head before smacking right into our expensive tv. I knew she didn't hit the tv hard enough to hurt herself, but it was hard enough that she could've damaged the screen.

Luckily both she, the dogs, and the tv are completely fine. She decided to head back to her cage on her own. Hopefully she decides not to keep launching herself at solid objects. I'll definitely have to get her stand built so I can start flight training her.
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Re: Might Be Adopting an Older Amazon

What? Wait... you mean i doN't have to stay in my cage all the time anymore? and... wait a minute... what are these? you mean I can Use my Wings? Really? Okay here goes!!! crash... ow... commotion... hm... OKay! Let me try that again! I know I can do better next time! Avoid the glass force field. Got it. Oh what's this? Ooops. ouch. Also not an opening. hm. maybe take a break for now while I think this over....


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Re: Might Be Adopting an Older Amazon

Please be careful!! You don't get many of these launch / SMAK type flights before something gets broken/hurt/damaged and I am not talking about windows, mirrors, doors, tv's, etc, I mean Jasper.
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Re: Might Be Adopting an Older Amazon

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I knew she didn't hit the tv hard enough to hurt herself, but it was hard enough that she could've damaged the screen.
Parrots have extremely lightweight skeletons, I guarantee an impact sufficiently hard to break bones would leave the screen unharmed. Birds can break their necks flying into solid objects. Please use extreme caution with a flighted bird in unfamiliar environment. Some folks advocate perching a new bird on hand and physically walking through the home, literally pausing at each wall, lamp, mirror, window, etc.
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Re: Might Be Adopting an Older Amazon

Yeah, it wasn't good. Luckily the room she's in isn't big enough for her to get up to top speed. I'm almost done clicker training her, so hopefully I'll have her target trained by the end of the week, then I'll work on targeting her from her cage to me to practice flying. I'll keep her locked in her cage like I did with Noah until I'd trained him enough to be let out without having to worry about him pinging around the room.

Worst case scenario, I might end up giving her a mild clip on the three outer primaries of both wings so she can't fly too fast until she's flight trained.
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