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Old 04-16-2018, 09:42 AM
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Re: Finley...biting getting worse help!

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Thanks guys. I also think hormones have a roll here even though he's so young. I also just need to chill out about things too, I bet he's picking up on my mood and it's not helping. Today is a new day. I hope to see Improvement.
If he really is being affected by hormones, you may have to adjust your interaction with him for another month or more as it won't just be better tomorrow.

With Nike I usually don't allow her on me during this time.
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Old 04-16-2018, 09:43 AM
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Re: Finley...biting getting worse help!

I over worry too but as you learn you realise there isnt any need to so much. Fin loves you and trusts you. Thats a great accomplishment in itself to say you havent had him that long. Your a great Parront and things will just work out you will see x
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Old 04-16-2018, 10:01 AM
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Re: Finley...biting getting worse help!

Thanks guys. I feel a lot better. I'm going to just try to be more relaxed and not take it so personally. Focus on Ollie a bit as he's been a little ignored lately from all the Finley drama.
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Old 04-16-2018, 10:27 AM
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Re: Finley...biting getting worse help!

Aw, I hope this is just a teenager phase he is going through and he gets past the biting. And it sounds like they are painful bites!! I would be at my wit's end too. As a rule of thumb, in my eyes if a bird is continuously biting, then I would stop the interaction (either just putting him on a stand to play by himself) until he learns to show more respect. In a normal flock setting, if one of the younger birds gets roudy and nippy, they are shunned off perches and to the ground or off by themselves until the message sinks in. I would hate for you to have to cage Finley while you play with angel Ollie but the biting is not fun
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Old 04-16-2018, 10:28 AM
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Re: Finley...biting getting worse help!

Iím sorry this is continuing and escalating.

I donít have any answers. So, Iíll share my experience.
At times Levi can get moody & agitated. I just let him be. Once heís over his bad attitude I than try again to interact with him. For the most part it works well.
I let him sort out whatever his issue is and he does.
Eventually heís over it, and wants be with the family rather than by himself.

Than there are times he gives me an attitude and I turn and walk away & than he chirps out to me, like hey where are you going, donít leave me. So, I go back and explain, weíll I invited you to come and you werenít interested. Haha. I speak to him and explain like heís a person.

Not sure if this helps ....
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Re: Finley...biting getting worse help!

That, my dear Tami, is the thing that will most likely work with Finley in general. But because he's so young I was hoping to stomp this out for good (or nearly good). If he continues to act this way despite all my efforts to fix it I may have to accept this behavior is just part of his personality and then just accommodate it into that "just how he is". I'm not quite ready to accept defeat yet! But I have cone to terms that I may never be able to change this behavior and I may be the one that needs to adjust.
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Old 04-16-2018, 11:33 AM
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Aw, I hope this is just a teenager phase he is going through and he gets past the biting. And it sounds like they are painful bites!! I would be at my wit's end too. As a rule of thumb, in my eyes if a bird is continuously biting, then I would stop the interaction (either just putting him on a stand to play by himself) until he learns to show more respect. In a normal flock setting, if one of the younger birds gets roudy and nippy, they are shunned off perches and to the ground or off by themselves until the message sinks in. I would hate for you to have to cage Finley while you play with angel Ollie but the biting is not fun
That information about flock behavior is very helpful so thank you. Don't worry I'm not one to cage him just because his behavior isn't up to my standards. Plus he'd scream his and my face off if I did that because my birds are almost never caged if I'm home or if they are enjoying cage time I'm in the same room.. it's weird how they are happy to play in and on the cage I'm there but if I go upstairs it's the worst thing in the history of the world lol. Ohhh Finley... Finley..... Finley. I am going to figure this out and I'm hoping as we all ate that it's a weird early hormonal or teenager stage.
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Re: Finley...biting getting worse help!

So... I'm no expert, but I'll throw my suggestions and thoughts in here anyway.

Parrots have demonstrated time and time again that they can learn behaviors from other parrots, even when they are complex and not typical parrot behavior. (Case in point, Figaro the Cockatoo who figured out how to fashion tools and use them to get treats, also Alex the African Grey). You have a bit of an advantage with Ollie the angel. You could have them both out on one of your awesome playgyms. Pick up Finley and give him love and attention and fun and maybe even treats. If/When he bites, yell 'OUCH' or 'NO' or whatever and put him back on the perch, as low down as possible. Then pick up Ollie and give him love and attention and fun and treats. Ollie will not bite so he gets this love and attention and fun for a few minutes with Finley watching and being "shunned/ignored". After a while, or if Finley comes climbing back up and looks like he wants the love and attention now, put down Ollie nearby or on your other arm or shoulder or something. Now pick up Finley again and repeat this. In theory you could keep doing this again and again until Finley gets the message and goes for at least 5-10 minutes without biting. Do this at least once a day.

Another tactic you might try, Yoda sometimes gets cranky and bitey with me also. We do all the usual recommended things when he does (NO! and down on the floor or perch he goes), and that works most of the time. Sometimes it's clear he's just doing it because he's all worked up and excited and/or aggressive. Just like a child, sometimes the best way to diffuse that aggression is to gently hold him close, talk soothingly, put him in his favorite place, and let him do GENTLE nibbles, teaching him that gentle mouthing is just fine and happy. Bite-pressure training plus calming down time. This often works with Yoda because he LOVES to be held close to my chest with my hands cupped around him like a nest. He crawls under my hands sometimes when he wants attention because he just likes that hand-blanket feeling. And also he'll do this by burrowing into my hair against my neck, under my ear. So sometimes when he's too worked up and aggressive, I can take him down a notch just by calm, soothing words and his happy place.

Anyway, that's just my two cents. I have no idea about that preening behavior because I've only got the one parrot.
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Re: Finley...biting getting worse help!

I like the idea of showing Finley what to do with Ollie the Angel's near perfect behavior and demeanor. So far today there was only one biting issue so far. I have been trying to make my interactions with Finley a little shorter and so far we're doing okay. I've also been separating Ollie and Finley as much as I can until I find out more about this preening situation which has left me clueless. I made a 2nd thread about it with more details. I will also try comforting him instead of getting upset with him...kill him with kindness.. I like it Squeekmouse!
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Re: Finley...biting getting worse help!

I thought I'd update a bit for those who don't read my story thread. Finley has only bitten me once each day for the past 2 days. Both days it was in the morning and it was not very hard and what I did was immediately put him on the floor no matter where I was for about 30 seconds. I did not hold his beak, I did not put him in a time out cage or carry him anywhere and then put him down ect. I tried the immediate response so he clearly understand why he was on the floor with no confusion. I'm thinking it's going pretty well. You guys helped a lot and I hope he continues to improve! I also have been separating him and Ollie for the most part because I have discovered evidence as of today they are both hormonal and as I said Ollie was preening his vent and I don't want them to become mates or something so I'm just taking precaution early to avoid any of that. They don't see desperate to be together so that's a win for me atm. It was a good day and I really enjoyed Finley today which is a great feeling to have put his cute little black face to bed with.
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