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Old 10-19-2020, 10:46 AM
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Screaming quaker

ok , its bad, it's all day long, and i want more ideas, maybe just to vent to so I don't pull my hair out.

Orbit, 4.5 month old quaker from pet store, screaming reinforced at pet store and screamed all day long at pet store, and i knew he was a screamer.

I've made some progress, but not enough to make life pleasant.

Right now he is out of his cage, playing with stuff, and im sitting right next to him with chair touches the cage, and he is still screeching, and loud ,constant vocalization.

I do not react to screaming, neither leaving tge room or coming into the room whichever. He doesn't need attention fir tge noise. It's become a habit, or a self soothing thing, as he also over preen and is trying to pluck shoulders. The feathers stiff has improved
a lot, tho, with activities, chew stuff, baths, and foraging. Based on hatch date, and arrival at petstore he was likely force weaned......

But he csn be busy and happy, and still be making non stop noise........which is wild quaker default mode......but i need a liveable level of noise

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Diet: pellets, fresh veggies, leafy greens, millit spray as treat, 1 tablespoon mix seeds.

Age/length if time I've had him. 4.5 months old, ive had him 2 weeks?

Cage: large cage, many toys, chewable stiff, different perches, foot toys, foraging stuff.

Sleep, about 12 hours, in bed around 6, up around 6

Out if cage time : about 7 hours.. direct interaction time is several shirt sessions throughout the day. Contact kiss head, occasionally head scratches. We are still working on trust and bonding.

Just now quiet after 3.5 hours non stop ....
Since we woke up...
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Re: Screaming quaker

I'm used to dealing with rescue or un happy screamers. You fix all that and you've made huge success with the screaming.

But Orbit is a happy screamer. He has given himself the job lead vocalist......

So I am struggling
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Old 10-19-2020, 01:16 PM
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Re: Screaming quaker

So I hesitate to suggest as I feel sure you are already trying this.

Clearly not yelling for attention so just giving / withholding attention will not help.

But i THINK you mentioned elsewhere you are doing the Treat-Drop when you are nearby for good-associations, right?

Suggest also keep small treats handy when you are right nearby him and listen for Pauses in the screaming. Add Treat-Drop as reward for silence -- even if you have to start by rewarding the briefest moments of silence, or, even IF there are no pauses at first then start by rewarding decreases in volume. When silences are longer, of course, then you reward after longer periods of silence. IF IF this works then you will eventually be able to draw out the silence-periods longer. maybe?
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Old 10-19-2020, 02:26 PM
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Re: Screaming quaker

Thanks!
Yes i give treats by hand.
Will try your idea, thanks.
Any ideas st all are worth their weight in gold right now! Even if its something I might have already heard or tried, someone might hsve slightly different tweaks or different ways of thinking about it...
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Re: Screaming quaker

When Salty goes on a screaming jag, which usually happens when Geri is preparing dinner in the kitchen, I whisper to him. Yes whisper and it frequently stops him in his tracks. I will whisper "quiet Salty quiet. If that doesn't work, I will try a whistle or 2, and if that doesn't work, I try one of his songs ( Little Brown Jug is a favorite) or some opera from the Magic Flute.
And sometimes he just gotta SCREAM for a bit.
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Re: Screaming quaker

This might seem crazy but when Syd screams I look at him and start counting marking it off on my fingers. I tell him that he can have the treat if he is silent for 10 counts. He does it. I don't know how then he gets the treat which he has been eying while I count. I haven't gone above 10 because that seems to break it and by the time he has eaten he has moved on to something else. Get some ear plugs or headphones to protect your ears and sanity until he sorts himself out.
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Re: Screaming quaker

Quote: Originally Posted by wrench13 View Post
When Salty goes on a screaming jag, which usually happens when Geri is preparing dinner in the kitchen, I whisper to him. Yes whisper and it frequently stops him in his tracks. I will whisper "quiet Salty quiet. If that doesn't work, I will try a whistle or 2, and if that doesn't work, I try one of his songs ( Little Brown Jug is a favorite) or some opera from the Magic Flute.
And sometimes he just gotta SCREAM for a bit.
Thanks Wrench,
Will try it!
And laughed at just gotta scream for a bit .

Pretty sure I'm going have some of that
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Re: Screaming quaker

Quote: Originally Posted by T00tsyd View Post
This might seem crazy but when Syd screams I look at him and start counting marking it off on my fingers. I tell him that he can have the treat if he is silent for 10 counts. He does it. I don't know how then he gets the treat which he has been eying while I count. I haven't gone above 10 because that seems to break it and by the time he has eaten he has moved on to something else. Get some ear plugs or headphones to protect your ears and sanity until he sorts himself out.
Will try anything! Its great you have a system like that im jealous!
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Re: Screaming quaker

We've had problems with Trigger screaming also... sometimes (like if we're watching a movie and he wants attention) there's just no solution except to stop watching the movie and/or pay attention to him and not the movie.

HOWEVER.... one thing that HAS worked with him is that I've been able to train him to do vocalizations I find easier to live with. He used to like to imitate Yoda's calls for attention (only 10x as loud and 10x as often!). So I made an effort to regularly go to him during the occasional, rare quieter times, and I'd pay direct attention to him while singing or whistling or speaking things that I knew he could mimic (things I believed he was capable of or things I'd heard him do before). I would reward him for any vocalizations I wanted to hear more of (whistling, or some of the cuter words and phrases and noises he does). Rewards could be treats or even just attention, like me turning to him and repeating what he said/did back to him. So now he has learned that the best ways to get attention from us is to say the cute/funny things we like, because those always get a response he likes, and the screaming is rewarded with being ignored or us leaving the room. It has certainly helped. Plus Trigger says some ridiculously funny things now.
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This might seem crazy but when Syd screams I look at him and start counting marking it off on my fingers. I tell him that he can have the treat if he is silent for 10 counts. He does it. I don't know how then he gets the treat which he has been eying while I count. I haven't gone above 10 because that seems to break it and by the time he has eaten he has moved on to something else. Get some ear plugs or headphones to protect your ears and sanity until he sorts himself out.
oh yeah the counting thing. I've used that when walking out of her viewfield when she's out-of-cage on-boingswing. At first all I could do was pop around a doorway to grab something, and barely back before she panic-yelled for me. I started counting out loud, first could just barely get a count of three, then up to five with no problem, and eventually I have stopped counting; she hears my footsteps and doesn't yell unless I get too far away or something like that.

As I type this, she is in a window looking at the backyard and I am actually just Out of her vision. I can hear if she moves -- and she Will yell if I do Anything except come back to her, once I move -- but a few months ago this would not have been possible. And, I did not really give thought to it, nor attempt to achieve this, it just occurred from the counting.
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