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Old 06-05-2012, 12:29 AM
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Re: Hazards of buying an unweaned baby!

I won't be traveling through CA anytime soon with my birds either as I am NOT a fan of banding birds either. I used to be at one point but after having to amputate a bird's foot because of leg band, never again....
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Old 06-05-2012, 12:58 AM
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Re: Hazards of buying an unweaned baby!

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I won't be traveling through CA anytime soon with my birds either as I am NOT a fan of banding birds either. I used to be at one point but after having to amputate a bird's foot because of leg band, never again....
But you can provide them with the band numbers and information for your birds. I cannot, thus I can't prove that she was captive-born as opposed to wild-caught and with an Appendix I bird, that's not a good thing. Especially since Goffins are still being imported, but heavily regulated for importation

It's all good, I only wanted to go to Cali to see the Redwoods anyway, which was going to be too far out of our way. I have no desire to go to Cali for any other reason.
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Re: Hazards of buying an unweaned baby!

In my opinion I don't think people who have little to know bird experience should be able tp purchase unweaned birds. The two babes I have are currently unweaned but will be weaning in the next week or two depending on when they are ready. But then again I have worked for a veterinarian for a few years and a pet store so I am more familiar than most with hand feeding and what all of that entails. I do agree with the poster that too many people get unweaned birds without thinking of the consequences. If more people educated themselves on how to properly care for unweaned birds it would be less of an issue.
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Old 05-23-2013, 01:21 PM
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Re: Hazards of buying an unweaned baby!

Ive had experence with raising babies of all kinds during my life, but I have to say I would never get an unweaned baby from anyone, of anykind unless they didnt know what they were doing, and ive had sevral run-ins with people who know nothing of how to take care of helpless young animals.

It's hard at the best of times, impossable at the worst of times and you never know mentally what its doing to the baby your handling.

Wolf pups raised without their pack around them, milk fed by humans loose their Identity, they know they are diffrent then dogs, yet they dont have the "song" that the parents bring to the entire pack. Cats fed by hand from kittens with no Idea of who their mothers are become unballanced, have cronic illnisses, and have temperment issues. Ive seen it in 7 out of 8 litters. Falconers who raise birds of prey have an entire chapter on miss-imprinted birds and highly instruct leaving the eyas in the nest to the 10 or 12 week stage so they know their parents and dont become imprinted on their "human" mother, in fear and warnings of the trouble that happens later on in the young hawks life.

What happens with baby parrots? Ive never raised a baby parrot and if I ever had the chance, id buy one that was near as, or fully weaned by their parents. I want a bird that knows its a bird and chooses to bond with me on its own terms. Not a confused chick that dosent know who or what it is and may spend years learning that it isnt human and may accually be passed around to sevral familys before it (if ever) relizes that its not a human.

Animals watch, I know they know that family members wont give away its child, yet noone cares about giving away a animal, Parrots are smart enough to relize this, I know they are, and imagin their world when they suddinly "fall" into a new home.. or worse.. shelter. And it almost always starts with people picking up unweaned chicks, or thats what Ive learned anyway, 80% of the people Ive met, who have surrendered or had problem birds got them before they were fully weaned.
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Re: Hazards of buying an unweaned baby!

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... California also requires all Apendix I species to be banded. We won't be driving through California on our way to AZ because Sugar doesn't have a band and I still do not have the information requested from her previous owners
I realize this post is almost a year old, but if anyone knows where this banding requirement is listed on the internet please post a link. I have traveled to California many times with my parrots and never was asked any question about them at the border ag stations. Thanks!
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Re: Hazards of buying an unweaned baby!

thank goodness i read this, i spent a half hour on the phone with a breeder who was wonderfully informative and offered me to come by the aviary anytime, but she was fairly insistent that i wean and hand feed the baby , Conures are what we talked about.
i said repeatedly that i'd rather she do it and get to know then and tell me who's friendliest, but she said to stop by and the baby would pick me. well it's almost a two hr drive, and now that i read this, i won't be making the trip
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Re: Hazards of buying an unweaned baby!

hello i know this thread is older but hoping someone can respond preferrably one of the experienced original posters.
i am buying my first green cheek conure i live in miami lots of bird breeders. i would say 9 out of 10 people i talk to want me to take the bird unweaned. i have found that eats on his own at 3 months old and another one im interested in is on twice a day feedings. when you refer to a bird as unweaned do you mean very young or is twice a day also considered unweaned. its best to buy a bird once he eats on his own completely? please help! these are some of my options the 3 month old bird is the first one.
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Re: Hazards of buying an unweaned baby!

An un-weaned bird is a bird that hasn't learned to eat on it's own yet and has to be fed. YES, most back yard breeders prefer to sell you an un-weaned bird because if the bird dies while in your care, you have no recourse as far as getting your money back. So you will shoulder the full responsibility of the birds health and care.

Plus it's very time consuming to care for an un-weaned bird that can take 3 months or longer before they get weaned. This is why a lot of breeders will offer two prices One low price for an un-weaned bird and a substantially higher weaned price. Cheap people tend to gravitate towards the low un-weaned price with the mentality of "Awww how hard can it be" until after a few days and then start getting scared because they realize they are in way over their heads.

I would rather spend the $200.00-$300.00 more for a weaned healthy bird any day and let the breeder shoulder the responsibility of weaning.
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Re: Hazards of buying an unweaned baby!

Thank you for the post greycloud. I hope anyone thinking of buying a bird will read your post and consider what you say.
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Old 10-04-2013, 10:18 PM
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Re: Hazards of buying an unweaned baby!

Quote: Originally Posted by xreinx View Post
Ive had experence with raising babies of all kinds during my life, but I have to say I would never get an unweaned baby from anyone, of anykind unless they didnt know what they were doing, and ive had sevral run-ins with people who know nothing of how to take care of helpless young animals.

It's hard at the best of times, impossable at the worst of times and you never know mentally what its doing to the baby your handling.

Wolf pups raised without their pack around them, milk fed by humans loose their Identity, they know they are diffrent then dogs, yet they dont have the "song" that the parents bring to the entire pack. Cats fed by hand from kittens with no Idea of who their mothers are become unballanced, have cronic illnisses, and have temperment issues. Ive seen it in 7 out of 8 litters. Falconers who raise birds of prey have an entire chapter on miss-imprinted birds and highly instruct leaving the eyas in the nest to the 10 or 12 week stage so they know their parents and dont become imprinted on their "human" mother, in fear and warnings of the trouble that happens later on in the young hawks life.

What happens with baby parrots? Ive never raised a baby parrot and if I ever had the chance, id buy one that was near as, or fully weaned by their parents. I want a bird that knows its a bird and chooses to bond with me on its own terms. Not a confused chick that dosent know who or what it is and may spend years learning that it isnt human and may accually be passed around to sevral familys before it (if ever) relizes that its not a human.

Animals watch, I know they know that family members wont give away its child, yet noone cares about giving away a animal, Parrots are smart enough to relize this, I know they are, and imagin their world when they suddinly "fall" into a new home.. or worse.. shelter. And it almost always starts with people picking up unweaned chicks, or thats what Ive learned anyway, 80% of the people Ive met, who have surrendered or had problem birds got them before they were fully weaned.
Agree with what you said. I would think though in general people that breed cats and dogs let the parents nurse the babies. My mom is a dog breeder and she lets the mom nurse the babies and care for them. It makes sense that falconers would let the parents care for them. I will never buy a unweaned bird nor have I ever rehomed a bird and given them to someone else (I do not plan to). Now I know observe parrots are different then dogs and cats. I had a budgie as a child who I had to tame. He got to the point he would sit in me and perch in my hand (I do not know if he was weaned by his parents). I do not know what experience you are looking for in a parrot but Clover (a green cheek conure I had till she passed away) was weaned by her parents. Yes, she was tame and a nice bird but I am sure she would have picked a green check conure over a human if given a choice. Captain Jack was weaned by his breeder and like Clover he is tolerant of other people (but he desires to be around me and on me). Now I do not think all birds weaned by humans have the same personality. As a child I had a cockatiel who was sweet to everyone and after my budgie died of old age my mom bought from a breeder a green cheek conure named Paulie (who got to the point he would bite anyone but me). He would lay in his back in my hands and wanted out of his cage when he say me. Of course Captain Jack also does those two last things.

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