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wajahat 02-19-2019 04:18 AM

Help!!!
 
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i have this pair of alexandrine parrakeet. the pair is sitting on fertile eggs at the moment but the problem im facing is that their poop contains undigested seeds its of greenish color, sometimes black and some of it is even gray
i give them seed mix, friuts, boiled eggs and bread.
PLEASE HELP ANYONE!!!

noodles123 02-19-2019 05:22 AM

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I am sorry you are dealing with this. Thanks for reaching out.

I'm not a vet and you need to consult one right away, but this sounds a lot like PDD (Proventricular Dilation Disease). You need to get your birds tested (any birds in your home). One of the main symptoms is crop-stasis and undigested food in droppings. Again, I am not a vet and there may be other causes, but you need to look into PDD and take precautions until you know what is going on here.
https://www.animalgenetics.us/avian/...Bornavirus.asp

The disease is highly contagious and viral. It can be spread bird to bird, but there are also cases of vertical transmission (mother-egg). It is spread through contact with fecal matter, and/or oral secretions.


If your birds do have this, you will need to sterilize your home carefully before bringing other birds into the home (do not get new birds while you have PDD/ABV positive birds living there). Until you know what is going on, do not expose other birds. You must keep this in mind when considering whether to visit a place that houses birds, as you yourself could transmit the virus on your clothes, shoes, hair etc. If you currently have multiple birds, you must quarantine them from those in question immediately. Again, do not assume that they aren't infected or contagious just because they aren't showing symptoms-- the common precursor is often asymptomatic (ABV). They all need to get tested if it turns out that either of your Alexandrines has it. You should very thoroughly wash your hands and arms between handing birds within your home (if you have others). Once a bird is a carrier, they are a carrier for life (even though they will sometimes test negative, due to the intermittent shedding of the virus).

Some birds can be infected with ABV (a common precursor to PDD, but not always) and show no symptoms. These same birds can spread the virus to others..The birds that are then infected often become very sick/symptomatic, so just because a bird catches it from a carrier doesn't mean that the newly infected bird will also be a carrier.

wajahat 02-19-2019 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by noodles123 (Post 798379)
I'm not a vet and you need to consult one, but this sounds a lot like PDD (Proventricular Dilation Disease). You need to get your birds tested (any birds in your home). One of the main symptoms is crop-stasis (which is what you are describing). Again, I am not a vet and there may be other causes, but you need to look into PDD.
https://www.animalgenetics.us/avian/...Bornavirus.asp

The disease is highly contagious and viral. It can be spread bird to bird, but there are also cases of vertical transmission (mother-egg). It is spread through contact with fecal matter, and/or oral secretions.

If your birds do have this, you will need to sterilize your home carefully before bringing other birds into the home. Until you know what is going on here, do not expose other birds. You must keep this in mind when considering whether to visit a place that houses birds, as you yourself could transmit the virus on your clothes, shoes, hair etc.

Some birds can be infected with ABV (a common precursor to PDD, but not always) and show no symptoms. These same birds can spread the virus to others..The birds that are then infected often become very sick/symptomatic, so just because a bird catches it from a carrier doesn't mean that the newly infected bird will also be a carrier.



I have other birds which include sun conures and ringnecks. All other birds are fine (not infected) I guess it's because of any other cause.
And The pair is showing no other sign of sickness.


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noodles123 02-19-2019 05:37 AM

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No, unless you have had PCR tests done, there is no way you can know this. Asymptomatic means without symptoms and this virus is often asymtomatic for years. It is still VERY contagious and for some birds, they show symptoms right away.You must not take this likely (for your birds' sakes, but also for the sake of those you may inadvertently spread it to outside of your home).

wajahat 02-19-2019 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by noodles123 (Post 798381)
No, unless you have had PCR tests done, there is no way you can know this. Asymptomatic means without symptoms and this virus is often asymtomatic for years. It is still VERY contagious and for some birds, they show symptoms right away.



Okay I'll get the tests done


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noodles123 02-19-2019 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by noodles123 (Post 798381)
No, unless you have had PCR tests done, there is no way you can know this. Asymptomatic means without symptoms and this virus is often asymtomatic for years. It is still VERY contagious and for some birds, they show symptoms right away.



Okay I'll get the tests done


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Test the Alexandrines first. Then test the others if they test positive. Just remember to wash hands thoroughly when going cage to cage, touching food cups, touching water, cleaning poop etc. Even when touching things that belong to seemingly healthy birds, you must wash well (due to the carrier issue). There are other members on this forum who have dealt with this too, so I will see if I can find a link to those posts. It is good that your other birds appear to be healthy, but I am glad you are testing, because that is the only way to know for sure. Get them to the vet as soon as you possibly can---preferably a certified avian vet. Tell them ahead of time what you are seeing with their droppings.

Allee 02-19-2019 07:21 AM

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Welcome to the forums, I’m glad you joined us. I moved your thread from General Health Care to our section for Breeding/Raising Parrots, I think you’re likely to get more specific answers from our members who have experience with breeding birds. If you could, a little background on your set up would be helpful, is this your first time to care for a breeding pair?

We have some expert poopologists who will probably be along to offer good advice. Undigested seed is always alarming and it’s important to find the cause as quickly as possible. There’s multiple possible causes and only a certified avian vet is qualified to make a diagnosis.

wajahat 02-19-2019 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Allee (Post 798395)
Welcome to the forums, Iím glad you joined us. I moved your thread from General Health Care to our section for Breeding/Raising Parrots, I think youíre likely to get more specific answers from our members who have experience with breeding birds. If you could, a little background on your set up would be helpful, is this your first time to care for a breeding pair?

We have some expert poopologists who will probably be along to offer good advice. Undigested seed is always alarming and itís important to find the cause as quickly as possible. Thereís multiple possible causes and only a certified avian vet is qualified to make a diagnosis.



Yes it's my first experience with parrots and their breeding.
I live in Pakistan and here people mostly keep cats and dogs so I don't know any certified avian vet.
I'd be thankful if anyone could just tell me that what up with this pair of parakeets.
I'm really worried.


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Allee 02-19-2019 07:59 AM

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Thank you, I have no personal experience with breeding but we have members that do. Until you receive replies from our experts, here’s a little advice that may be helpful. Breeding can be extremely stressful for your birds, are they in a quiet, secluded place? Diet is always important, especially to a breeding pair, I would offer chopped vegetables, lots of dark green leafy veggies. Maybe cooked cereals or grains but no bread and only a little fruit, the high sugar content in fruit and bread make it a bad diet choice. Do you feed pellets at all? When you feed a seed mix, it’s important the seeds are fresh, you can often tell by smelling, if the seeds have no smell they probably have little or no nutritional value. It’s always important to keep the birds’ area as clean as possible. After feeding fresh food of any kind it’s best to remove anything remaining after you’ve seen the birds eat, two hours is the limit for any fresh food and some foods shouldn’t remain that long. All poop should be removed from thier cage daily even when you can’t clean the nest box. Provide fresh paper or nesting material as needed, poop is a perfect place to grow bacteria.

Best of luck with your pair.

EllenD 02-19-2019 08:00 AM

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That's not good at all...

As Noodles already wisely told you, usually when a bird is passing undigested food in their poop, it's due to either an Avian Viral Disease, specifically PDD or ABV or both, or it's due to another very serious health condition that is effecting their GI Tract, their Liver, their Kidneys, or both...But usually it is a Viral Disease such as PDD...

You need to get them both to a Certified Avian Vet (no Exotics Vets, they need an experienced Avian Vet) immediately, because as long as they pass whole, undigested food in their droppings, that means that they are not taking in much, if any nutrition, and they are going to rapidly start losing weight and become extremely sick...And there is no way at all that either of them can feed chicks in this condition, it will kill them and kill the chicks because neither of them will be getting any nutrition, and the strain will quickly kill the parents if they aren't getting any nutrition..

Just because the other birds in your house aren't exhibiting the same symptoms doesn't mean that this pair that lives together in the same cage doesn't have PDD/ABV or some other serious illness/disease, as most Avian Viruses are shedded in their feathers/dander etc., and unless they've had direct-contact with these two birds or their cage, then they may very well not contract the disease...or they may all have contracted it and are just in the incubation period and haven't started displaying any physical symptoms...Some birds will contract ABV or PDD and not ever show any signs/symptoms, they simply shed the Virus and they're fine, but that's obviously not the case with this breeding-pair. So they need to see a CAV immediately, before they start displaying more serious symptoms, such as the neurological symptoms that usually follow.

And again, they cannot feed chicks as long as they are passing whole-food in their feces, it will kill both the parents and the chicks...


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