Red Eyes

EmeraldIsle · May 27, 2011

Do red eyes present any problems in taking care of a cockatiel? There's a nice looking cinnamon pearl white face for sale but it has red eyes. Do you have to keep them out of direct sunlight or bright light? Also, is cinnamon pearl white face a rare color mutation? Is it possible to get a yellow or white cockatiel with black eyes?

MikeyTN · May 27, 2011

I have never seen a cinnamon pearl whiteface with red eyes. Some of the mutations while young have red eyes but eventually turns dark as they mature except some mutations that retain their red eyes and the males have darker colored eyes. You can not let a bird with red eyes with direct sun light. It can blind them.

Garnet · May 28, 2011

If it has red eyes, it has the lutino gene present most likely from the father's side. A whitefaced cinnamon pearl isn't an unusual mutation, but a whitefaced cinnamon pearl lutino is an unusual mutation. Just my opinion, but having red eyes does not affect the birds sight and sunlight isn't harmful, but that is just my opinion as I've had lutino's in the past and they were outside in an aviary with direct sunlight and no problems, some of them lived to be over 30 years old and never had any eye problems.

MikeyTN · May 28, 2011

Garner,

Very interesting, never knew about that mutation? I've always been told by breeders, books, magazines etc. not to give them direct sun light. While breeding them years ago I've never let them come into direct sun light. I don't take that sort of chances.

Garnet · May 29, 2011

I really didn't have much choice in exposing them to sunlight. My aviary was open with a clear roof which was covered to allow for shade, but the lutinos used to love sitting directly in the hottest, brightest place in the aviary. They were old so maybe they liked the warmth and I never noticed anything with their eyes cause they could certainly find their fresh food every morning.

Years ago we didn't have as much information available to us so most of what I learned came from experience. I'm glad none of mine were harmed, but if I knew today what I know now, I'd keep them out of direct sunlight as a precaution.

Conurekidd · May 29, 2011

He's not a cinnamon. He's fallow. Wf fallow pearl.
And might I add there beautiful!! Fallows are pretty common. There sold as cinnamon alot. Until the buyer recognizes the red eyes. Fallow is a more yellow wash vs cinnamons brownish wash. If you do buy her. Post pics. It not a rare mutation but an uncommon variation of cross mutation. Considering the splits required to get this.
Congrats!!

Garnet · May 29, 2011

Yes, please post pictures. I have seen fallows, but never a whitefaced fallow. The ones I've seen in the past have the normal orange patch on their cheeks. Would be interesting to see this mutation. It must be a fairly uncommon mutation, but there are so many splits and mutations available it is hard to keep up with them sometimes.

Conurekidd · May 29, 2011

Cockatiel Pictures - Baby Birds - Adult Birds - Varied Mutations

Just scroll down. Theres a bunch!!

Garnet · May 29, 2011

Wow, they look amazingly like a lutino but different at the same time. Gorgeous birds, think I'd buy one if I had the chance too.

You should have a beautiful tiel if you get this one.

Conurekidd · May 29, 2011

Really?? I don't think they resemblen a lutino at all haha. IMO
It is my second favorite cross mutation though. I want one but I want to breed it myself

MikeyTN · May 30, 2011

What I remembered about Cinnamons is that the male starts as red eyed and as they mature, they turn dark. While the females retains the red eyes. With Fallows they retain their red eyes. Very interesting site you shown there!!! I want to see Silver though, that's one mutation I haven't seen. I have saved that site for future reference!
Right now I have a Whiteface Pied Male pairing up with a Cinnamon Pearl Hen, Pied Male pairing up with a Whiteface Cinnamon Pied Hen. Although the first couple have tried to have babies, but so far been unsuccessful, I hope to keep it that way. I really don't want them to, but I can't stop them from doing so. I'm sure they will have beautiful babies, it brings back memories when I used to raise them. I'm gonna have to remove the female out of my aviary for awhile. She won't stop mating and laying on the bottom and chasing all my other birds so I was forced to give her a nest box so she won't chase after everyone. All the other birds are nosey....I'm letting her sit on her infertile eggs until I remove her out of there when I'm done remodeling upstairs.... :/

Ratzy · May 30, 2011

Honestly, I have a lutino cockatiel in direct sunlight in my aviary, and there isn't a difference at all. She comes out during the afternoon and sits in her favourite spot, in DIRECT SUNLIGHT.
I believe, and have been told by experienced albino and lutino budgie breeders, that red eyes do not affect sight.
It may affect ( don't know though ) human albino sight, but don't birds have different sight? Like they use different parts and stuff.
I didn't particularly understand anything I read of the various cones and stuff that are different to humans, but that's what I got out of it.
Besides, direct sunlight is good for Vitamin D or something, right?

Conurekidd · May 30, 2011

Well acually mature cinnamons have a wine colored iris. Cinnamons don't keep there red eyes. Both genders. That's how fallows are picked out from the cinnamons. Red eyes.
Also might I add breeding cinnamon visual splits weakens the suffusion in there plumage. Dulls it.
Silver are a site. Look like a norm but silver. There Definitly the pedigree lines of cockatiels.

MikeyTN · May 30, 2011

Ratzy said:
Honestly, I have a lutino cockatiel in direct sunlight in my aviary, and there isn't a difference at all. She comes out during the afternoon and sits in her favourite spot, in DIRECT SUNLIGHT.
I believe, and have been told by experienced albino and lutino budgie breeders, that red eyes do not affect sight.
It may affect ( don't know though ) human albino sight, but don't birds have different sight? Like they use different parts and stuff.
I didn't particularly understand anything I read of the various cones and stuff that are different to humans, but that's what I got out of it.
Besides, direct sunlight is good for Vitamin D or something, right?

Is your Lutino a male or a female?

What I remember is that the male's eye color turns darker red as they mature.

MikeyTN · May 30, 2011

Conurekidd said:
Well acually mature cinnamons have a wine colored iris. Cinnamons don't keep there red eyes. Both genders. That's how fallows are picked out from the cinnamons. Red eyes.
Also might I add breeding cinnamon visual splits weakens the suffusion in there plumage. Dulls it.
Silver are a site. Look like a norm but silver. There Definitly the pedigree lines of cockatiels.

I have never owned a Fallow nor a Silver.

BUT I have owned Cinnamon, if you shine the flash light to their eyes, you can see the red which is like what you said wine colored iris. It's been years ago since I bred them, about 10 years now....Are you getting these information from reading up on them or have you attempted in breeding? One of my prettiest one was a Pearl Lutino Pied, she was gorgeous!!!!

Conurekidd · May 30, 2011

No and yes I work with a mutations expert and enthusiast.
My best cross mutation was a heavy pied pearl.
I like to work with increasing size so I try to never pair PD with PD or wf with wf. Always a split to a visual. And yes cinnamon have to be looked into very close. But fallows and silver have dead red eyes. Silvers have deep red.
Right now I'm working with a wf split PD and ino ****. And a pied wf hen. There offspring are alway heavies and wf inos. Hoping for a wf clear PD this year.
I have a pair on the way soon. DF Ressive silver **** with semectural pied split wf.
Hoping to get a unique wf mutation

Conurekidd · May 30, 2011

Omg r u serious hahaha. Ooppppppsssss i mean male birds.
Didn know the parental advisory was on lol jk

Pedro · May 30, 2011

Ah that brings back memories. I bred the best mutation WF in all colours & patterns what a joy to breed. Lutino have red eyes , cinnimons have a plum colored eye & normals have dark eyes.

Conurekidd i used to breed the most beautiful clear WF. I sure do miss all the excitment of the various colour combinations in the nestbox.

I think i had every color combination back then. It isn't all that long ago that i got out of my tiels to keep larger parrots.

Conurekidd · May 30, 2011

Before I understood chromosomes and how genotypes and phenotypes affected mutation variations I was amazed on how accurite my guess to offspring was. To the point I can tell you weather or not the sex was a boy or girl from Studying the parents mutations. Exp if the father split ino the visual lutinos will be female. If the Visual came from mom the inos are boys. Same with pearls and so fourth.
My goal is to archive a pearl white saddle back pied wf.
(cinnamon wf pearl pied [heavy]) semertrical pied at that.
It's gonna take alotta generation and obtaining the perfact split.
I know how to just need to find the right birds now. I have 2 I need.

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