Chrissy update

Chrissy is doing better. He's not so fluffy and sleepy. He's playing around, eating normally, drinking, making noise. He's happy again.

I was talking to the woman at the pet store where I bought him (she breeds all the birds for the store.) and she said and I quote, "If he's lived this long there is a change for survival. As long as he isn't picking at the wounds he should be fine. If he lives through the night again then there is no denying his survival."

I trust this opinion, and even the good people of Google+ and YouTube believe he will survive.

Rehoming? That's one of the things I've been trying to avoid for college. Im not rehoming my birds. I thought maybe people would be a little more supportive, not against me owning birds. This is a terrible time for me, cut me some slack. I'm a good pet owner, You have no idea what I'm like.
I appreciate your honesty, but rehoming isn't something I'm willing to do.

Just please stop the rehoming thing.
Also, also, also. I'm 15, how do you expect me to pay for things!? My parents do that! I don't have a job, I can't get a job, I'm too young! So please I'm asking nicely just stop with the, get him to a vet ASAP, rehome them, you aren't cut out to be a pet owner, your not ready to handle birds.
I've had birds for 4-5 years, I know what I'm doing.



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Again, you are doing nothing but making excuses for yourself.
It doesn't matter if you are 15 or 85, when you own a pet then it is YOUR responsibility to ensure they get the best care possible.

If you can't do that because you are a child and your parents are not supportive of giving those animals the care they need, then you shouldn't have pets until you are out on your own.

For the birds' sake, they'd be much better off with someone who would love and care for them in the proper manner -- without other animals species in the home, and with the best practices for budgies at the forefront of their mind.

You "think" you know what you are doing when that is the furthest thing from the truth possible.
You even said to me that you are not a good pet owner!

I feel very sorry for all of the birds under your care.

Your account on the other forum is being banned as I type this so don't bother trying to log in there again. We'll all leave you to air your woes here on Parrot Forum instead.

Best wishes to your birds.
I do hope that Chrissy survives and that you will find it within yourself to have the maturity to accept the responsibility with regard to what has transpired with not only Chrissy, but the budgies you've lost in the past.

Enough, this is ridiculous, you have been posting all kinds of stories, not only here but on multiple forums. If you need attention so badly that's understandable at your age but this is not the right place. You actually posted that the bird had passed away at one point, then changed the story. Multiple members have offered wise, friendly advice, a number of solutions for your unique situation, first and foremost, get help for your budgie after he was mauled by a cat. You tell us an adult told you he is likely to survive? That's baloney, just like the stories about vets that refuse care in an emergency. Whatever game you are playing has run it's course, after all this, don't get your panties in a twist when our forum members tell you the kindest thing you can do is rehome the birds, from all the information you have given us, you clearly should do just that. You know what you are doing because you've been doing it for four or five years? If you refuse to change your basic ideas about bird care, you'll still be doing the same thing years from now. That's fine for you but please remember the birds have no choices.

ParrotLover2001 said:

Cat attack. I had Elvis and Chrissy in Jordan's cage while I cleaned the other cage. When it came time to move them back into their cage. Chrissy got away from me the cat ran after him. I didn't even know she was in the room. I'm upset with this accident, I haven't even had him for a year. I called around looking a vet to take him. But they kept telling me to call another place. I couldn't find a vet to take him quick enough, by time I found a vet (a 2 hour drive) he had passed.

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ParrotLover2001 said:

Chrissy is doing better. He's not so fluffy and sleepy. He's playing around, eating normally, drinking, making noise. He's happy again.

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First post was Monday at 8:12am. Second post more than 24 hrs later. Is Chrissy alive? Please explain.

Scott,

You might want to take a look at the member's other thread to see how this has all played out.

http://www.parrotforums.com/budgies-parakeets/66647-so-emotional.html

I don't know why she felt the need to start a new thread rather than update on the other one unless she didn't want the Parrot Forum members to see everything that had been written previously.

I wish you good luck in dealing with this person. She's been banned from the other forum now.

Best wishes to all of you here on Parrot Forum.

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Scott,

You might want to take a look at the member's other thread to see how this has all played out.

http://www.parrotforums.com/budgies-parakeets/66647-so-emotional.html

I don't know why she felt the need to start a new thread rather than update on the other one unless she didn't want the Parrot Forum members to see everything that had been written previously.

I wish you good luck in dealing with this person. She's been banned from the other forum now.

Best wishes to all of you here on Parrot Forum.

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I have read all the relevant threads, hence my request for clarity. Many members are genuinely concerned, and deserve the utmost of honesty and integrity.

Thanks, glad you are here!!

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Enough, this is ridiculous, you have been posting all kinds of stories, not only here but on multiple forums. If you need attention so badly that's understandable at your age but this is not the right place. You actually posted that the bird had passed away at one point, then changed the story. Multiple members have offered wise, friendly advice, a number of solutions for your unique situation, first and foremost, get help for your budgie after he was mauled by a cat. You tell us an adult told you he is likely to survive? That's baloney, just like the stories about vets that refuse care in an emergency. Whatever game you are playing has run it's course, after all this, don't get your panties in a twist when our forum members tell you the kindest thing you can do is rehome the birds, from all the information you have given us, you clearly should do just that. You know what you are doing because you've been doing it for four or five years? If you refuse to change your basic ideas about bird care, you'll still be doing the same thing years from now. That's fine for you but please remember the birds have no choices.

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Am I the only one thinking was the bird even hurt at all? Lol this all thing is clearly desperate call for attention and regardless on weather bird was hurt or not you should not and I repeat you SHOULD NOT own a parrot! First your age isn't a problem here but your way of thinking is. If you're not capable to take care of your birds then give them away. You don't have money to take care of them-give them away. Your paronts won't help you take care of them-give them away. There are no excuses there. Either you're taking good care of them or not taking care of them. No excuse is accepted for that. I also as a kid couldn't take care of my birds at some point but my mum did so birds were never neglected and yours are or: you just wanted attention, or just wanted a new bird so you made up an excuse your current one is going to die...which ever is true it's not healthy and I feel sorry for your birds,they deserve better and you deserve to grow up first for that kind of responsabilty. Animals aren't toys.

Last update, I'm now sick and tired of this hate towards this whole thing.

Chrissy is still alive, he's fine. Now that it has been 48 hours since the attack, I can get my other birds back on their daily schedule. He lived because I care for him, I did everything in my power to heal him, and it worked.

My flock doesn't care if I can pay for them, they only care that I love them, and give them the best care I can give. No pet cares about the money, they just want to be loved.



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I'm sorry to keep this going but just my 2 cents. You are absolutely right that pets don't care about money and just want to be loved.. But I think what really stuck out for me that made the whole ordeal a bit.. problematic.. was the scenario that Chrissy was at home possibly dying and instead of doing everything you could to find a vet to care for him you decided to immediately go out and get a new budgie.. and then nonchalantly ask the forum for a new name for a budgie. Just seems wrong. Parrots are not a toy- you break one and get a new the same day- they are little individuals with all their own personalities and quirks. From my own experience, losing a parrot is like losing a family member. I don't eat for days and even the thought of another parrot is so disturbing because nobody could possibly replace the unique little gem I had in my life. So that didn’t really stuck out to me as being loved.
But you are right.. pets don't care about the money, but think about it this way: if your sister got mauled by a bear.. would you just sit around and see if she got better? No you'd do everything in your power to find a doctor that could help her. It’s the same for your parrots- or should be. Remember: the parrots are 100% reliable on you for everything. They cannot fly off to the vet on their own if they feel poorly. You must step in and make sure that as a compensation for you having them in a cage instead of flying free in the wild nature, you provide the best life possible. In return they provide you with an immense enrichment in your life. As someone mentioned- if your parents are not willing to help with vet bills- 1) I have no idea why on earth they would let you have parrots in the first place- they are NOT low maintenance pets 2) Save up money so you can yourself take them to the vet!
I am sorry if this has come across very harsh, but I think a lot of us did not get the impression that you take parronting particularly seriously- but these are your kids! They are intelligent beings that deserve better than immediate replacement.
I really hope you’ll take the uproar your posts have made on this forum and get some perspective on what it means to be a parront.

ParrotLover2001 said:

Last update, I'm now sick and tired of this hate towards this whole thing.

Chrissy is still alive, he's fine. Now that it has been 48 hours since the attack, I can get my other birds back on their daily schedule. He lived because I care for him, I did everything in my power to heal him, and it worked.

My flock doesn't care if I can pay for them, they only care that I love them, and give them the best care I can give. No pet cares about the money, they just want to be loved.



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I'm glad to hear Chrissy is doing ok. I know you will keep an eye on him. Check him for signs of infection everyday. Towel him if you have to.

You've been getting some rough responses. Please understand that most of it comes from people's passion for birds, and I daresay some people have forgotten what it's like to be 15. You have your family looking out for you physically and financially, and people here just want to make sure that your birds have you looking out for them physically and financially. Yes, financially - food, shelter, medical care - all cost money. I know you are young and don't have a job. Do what you can to build an emergency vet bill fund for you birds. Babysit, birthday money, donations from grandpa, whatever you can, see if your parents will go 50/50 with you on vet bills. It is not out of your reach. I guarantee, this will not be your last emergency. You may even find that adults are willing to help if they see you are passionate, responsible and making an effort.

The lack of concern over the extent of this budgie's injuries and the attitude displayed by the Original Poster is simply appalling. I can't believe that someone who professes to "love" their birds is so uncaring about what is best for them. Enabling this child simply because she is 15 years old is not doing her any favors. She and her entire family need to be held accountable for the neglect exhibited.

Perhaps you should check out some of the individuals other posts and YouTube videos to determine whether or not you really believe she is fit to own birds of any type.

sigh... all this after what happened to Terry two weeks ago... it's really making me feel disgusted in humans.

There is just one point from all this - children who's parents don't care and take responsibility about their pets should not own a pet. Nothing more to say. I hope birds all survive. At least you people are lucky you have bird rescues there, we don't have such a thing here. Neglected birds either are resold, gifted or set out free(last one is of course the worst one but it does happen,I'm quite sure I heard an IRN in small forest near by right before harsh winter started here and a month before saw people trying to catch some parrot in a tree). Look at this poor girl and where she's living in: https://postimg.org/image/pmg6uel89/ since I often check IRNs for sale here I found this poor gthing with damaged wing that can't fly. I hope some good soul bought him/her as I tried asking on our forums people if someone would like to buy it. I hate to see birds end up like this and many of them do...

The point is, a fifteen year old can not understand and have access to all the things that a bird might need and what to do when in special circumstances and over time. How do I know? I graduated with an Anthropology, minor Psychology college degree. I literally learned how different ages grow and process. And pets, ie live breathing things with nervous systems that feel pain and suffering, require money to live in this world with us because humans were so selfish as to raise them in cages.
People on a bird forum to help each other are only seen as "mean" when the OP doesn't agree with them.

Sometimes it might be nice to have an age requirement to join the forum. Of course some probably learn by joining so... Seems like a lot of pretty young people writing posts that make us cringe.

Many of our younger members are immensely mature and caring, likely the result of great parenting and innate goodness. Some join with proper intent but were unaware of the complexities of parrots before purchase.

The overwhelming majority of adult members serve as wonderful role models and are to be commended for the willingness to share their passions. I believe encouraging teens to join PF and similar forums is a net positive and has potential to improve the lives of innocent fids.

When a potential red-line of mishandling or abuse is perceived as crossed, the matter is bound to stimulate white-hot attention.

ParrotLover2001 said:

Last update, I'm now sick and tired of this hate towards this whole thing.

Chrissy is still alive, he's fine. Now that it has been 48 hours since the attack, I can get my other birds back on their daily schedule. He lived because I care for him, I did everything in my power to heal him, and it worked.

My flock doesn't care if I can pay for them, they only care that I love them, and give them the best care I can give. No pet cares about the money, they just want to be loved.

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My personal opinion? I really hope you stay! You were offering great insight!
This series of events? Ugly! But, I saw zero hate! Outrage? Yep. Confusion? Yep!
Immaturity? Y-wait, poster 15, cut slack!
As said, the folks on this forum are so so attached to their feathered children, I my self am so attached to my JoJo, I can't bear getting another bird! It will divide our time!

As said, stay and let us grow together!

Flboy said:

My personal opinion? I really hope you stay! You were offering great insight!

This series of events? Ugly! But, I saw zero hate! Outrage? Yep. Confusion? Yep!

Immaturity? Y-wait, poster 15, cut slack!

As said, the folks on this forum are so so attached to their feathered children, I my self am so attached to my JoJo, I can't bear getting another bird! It will divide our time!



As said, stay and let us grow together!

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Ok.

I'm getting a job in the next month or two so that'll help money wise.
I'll be putting all my money into the bank, saving for vet visits.

I can think so much clearer now that all that chaos is over. Time to go back to my birds daily routines, except Chrissy, he's not doing anymore training for the few weeks.




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I'm sorry if some people on this forum don't understand my "stricter" viewpoint on this matter but to me, budgies should never be considered to be dress-up toys or put through the things Chrissy has been subjected to by this 15 year old.
There is another post on this forum where the poster talks about two previous budgies and how they bled every time they took a bath and that's how they both died from blood loss. Were the budgies being allowed to bath on their own or....??

http://www.parrotforums.com/budgies-parakeets/66272-bird-i-really-never-knew.html

I look at the overall posting history of an individual, not just a particular thread when I determine how I respond to specific situations.

And, with all due respect poster #18, I don't agree with "cutting anyone slack" when it comes to health, safety and the well-being of the animals in question.
If a child has a pet and the parents are not involved enough to ensure the animal is getting the appropriate care it needs, then that child should not have pets until they are mature enough and financially able to ensure the animal is cared for as it should be.
Many young people show a great deal more maturity at a younger age than I have seen from the original poster of this thread.

In the Youtube video link below, her lovebird somehow shattered a mirrored toy and the broken pieces of glass are at the cage's bottom yet the poster doesn't check the lovebird for injuries and doesn't remove the glass right away.
She will do it later as she needs to do something downstairs.
If the lovebird happens to go to the bottom and injure the feet or God forbid play with the pieces and ingest glass in the process, no big deal for her.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ihiRdHU4M"]Jordan broke the mirror! - YouTube[/ame]

And here is a link to avideo about making budgie harnesses: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLORNIxkxnKD_bBlizGDp_GaCHQXSmmaDZ

Budgies are much too small and fragile to be subjected to being placed in a harness.
Their bones can easily be broken with barely any force whatsoever to say nothing of the emotional trauma the poor birds would be subjected to.

Everyone can (and will) draw their own conclusions on regarding these matters but for any truely experienced budgie owner the truth is there ifyou take the time to look for it rather than making excuses for inexperience or age.

If the parents aren't involved enough to put a stop to these things then, in my personal opinion, the child should not have pets.
Not getting vet care for a budgie that has been attacked by a cat, not having money for a quarantine or hospital cage, running out and getting another budgie because you think the one you have is going to die, etc., using the excuse that someone else must have said the budgie was already dead, etc. shows the level of dishonesty, immaturity and cavalier attitude that is indicative of someone not ready to own animals at this stage in their life.