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Old 05-26-2017, 09:25 PM
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Re: Very sick little budgie

Thank you BoomBoom. Moving him right now, because of his blindness, really stresses him out. We do have a full spectrum light though, so we can put that on for him. We tried his favorite veggies, but no dice. He's only eating millet right now. I know it's not great, but it's all he's eating right now. We appreciate the positive thoughts, thank you!

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Re: Very sick little budgie

I'm not a vet so, Grain of Salt. I'm giving you some links about Avian Bornavirus / PDD/ macaw wasting syndrome. It's an autoimmune disorder caused by a virus, can give rise to symptoms like the ones you describe, and there is no cure at present. I hope it isn't that, it see if this sounds familiar:

https://lafeber.com/vet/avian-bornavirus-primer/

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Re: Very sick little budgie

From my experience, there's really only two types of budgies: healthy budgies and unhealthy budgies. Unfortunately, most of my budgies fall into the latter category. We've definitely had our fair share of health problems. I know this is a hassle, but could you try posting some videos? Seeing the little guy in action might help. Also, could you get some photos of his eyes, beak, feet, bum, etc? Try to get decent photos.

In the meantime, I'd buy him some food-grade (i.e., kept in the edible herb section) lavender from a health food store, and put it in a dish for him to eat. He will self-medicate with it, and it should greatly reduce any stress or anxiety he may be experiencing. I'd also cook some quinoa for him, and mix in some good quality avian vitamins.

Have you noticed any other behavioural differences? I don't just mean is he acting sleepy, I'm asking if he seems unusually affectionate, docile, etc. It definitely sounds like he's had a stroke. Does his friend preen or feed him? If so, I'd consider keeping the two together. If he's bullying the lad, then don't keep them together.

Rumi's had multiple neurological episodes, and she's no longer able to fly as a result. She can take care of herself, but after a bad episode, she becomes disoriented, extremely affectionate, and has trouble looking after herself. She also starts falling repeatedly, so I have to lock her in the cage. I rely on Pollo and Noah to look after her until she returns to normal (this usually takes 24 days).

What are some of your boy's favourite activities? Rumi often becomes depressed after suffering one of her episodes, so I like to tie mahogany pods near her favourite perch to cheer her up. She loves shredding stuff, so even when she doesn't feel too good, she'll often still shred balsa and mahogany pods.
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Re: Very sick little budgie

Teddscau,

Yes, it would seem that those are the only two options there, huh. I can definitely get a video, but there's not much to watch. Just kinda sits there. I'll try to get a few pictures, but I'm working right now, so it will have to wait until I get home.

Also, as he is blind, he's not really moving about the cage very much. He's pretty scared at this point, so we have seed and water and millet basically surrounding him.

Behavior wise, he's basically a while other bird. Polar opposite of what he is healthy. We have his cage mate in a different cage now because he would get too excited and try to play with Peatri. Trying to beak him and whatnot, Peatri didn't appreciate it.

He's so poorly right now, and it kills me seeing him like this because I remember how full of life he was. Seeing him like this breaks my heart.

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Re: Very sick little budgie

Is he still able to stay warm by himself (you'll want to still use a heat lamp or something)? If he's at the point where he can barely move, and he's cold to the touch, then it's time to put him to sleep. If he's still able to move and stay warm, then he might still have some fight left in him.

I think one of the most important things to do right now is to improve his move. If he's scared and feels down, it's not good for him. Do you have a small Kleenex box? One of those cube-shaped ones. He might like it if you emptied one of those, then set it on it's side in the cage so he can hide in it. If he has a toy or something that he likes squeezing his body against, it will help relax him. Look up "deep pressure". Animals and the autistic (as well as neuro-typical humans) find comfort in deep pressure. Look up "Temple Grandin" and what she says about deep pressure. You could try to rig up some sort of "squeeze" machine/chute for him.

I'd definitely try to get him to the point where he feels confident and realizes that he's safe, despite his blindness. Vision is such an important thing for birds, so he might have trouble getting used to being blind. Right now, he'll be relying heavily on his hearing. Hopefully he'll cheer up enough to see Pepper. If Pepper isn't trying to hurt him or be mean, then it'll be important to try to reintroduce them. Pepper will be really important in the little guy's recovery, as he'll help take care of him, cheer him up, and give him a sense of safety. He might like it if you put a bell in for him to play with.

Here's a thing on special needs birds: http://www.birdtricks.com/blog/makin...-needs-parrot/
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Re: Very sick little budgie

I am so sorry your little man is not doing well. You could set up a hospital cage with a source of warmth. You can also set up oxygen on your own for comfort. You do not need a RX from a vet for this. If you want further I information I will get it for you.

Home Oxygen is not a cure it is a comfort measure and may help the vital organs so they do not have to work as hard.

For a hospital unit you just need an oxygen concentrator, the water unit for it and either a heating pad or heat lamp. That is basically what a hospital unit is.
Here are examples of used Oxygen Concentrators; Used, Refurbished & Rebuilt Home Oxygen Concentrators http://www.oxygenplusconcentrators.c...ome-units.html
Plastic tub from Walmart or Home Depot.
Heat pad: Be sure it has an automatic shut off
and/or a ceramic heat lamp Infrared Radiant Heat Elements by Avitech - Low Price - FREE Shipping
and a light bulb holder; Fluker's Ceramic Repta-Clamp Lamp with Switch, 5.5-inch - Chewy.com
Humidity Bottle (for oxygen concentrator - be sure it is the one for the oxygen concentrator you buy); Oxygen Concentrator Humidifier Bottles
Oxygen tubing: Oxygen Tubing - 50 Feet - Oxygen Tubing - Oxygen Supplies - Parts-Accessories - get the 50 feet so you can move the box around without moving the oxygen concentrator

Once you have a hospital cage set up it is good for whenever you need it. I know a few birds that are living with O2 support because of heart disease.

With budgies so much of what happens to them health wise is genetics, from the parents to the chicks. Good breeders are aware of this and strive to produce healthy chick in many ways. Thanks so much for caring for him.
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Re: Very sick little budgie

Here's a few pictures from today after I got home from work. I'll try to get some later of his bum, but he's nervous about being held right now because he hasn't gotten used to not being able to see. He's rarely fluffed up, but he was pretty content here. He's usually slim, but using his wings to balance sometimes. He's eating an ok seed mix now, and is eating that and drinking ok. He really likes being fed though, just when we hold millet for him, but that might be because he doesn't have to bend down so far. Not such a problem now with the way we have the food and water/Pedialyte set up. He's still preening, so that's a plus.

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Re: Very sick little budgie

Awww geez the poor little guy What a cute little boy too...blue is my favorite color! Had a blue budgie when I was about 14.
Thank you for taking care of him! I hope he recovers quickly!


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Re: Very sick little budgie

Aww, poor little baby. Such a handsome boy. He doesn't look as bad as I was picturing. Do his eyelids look swollen? They look kind of swollen to me.

Since the vet has no clue about what's going on, maybe a system detox might help? I'd get the Liver Detox formula from Avian Rx, and maybe Lily of the Desert Stomach Formula or their Liver Detox formula.
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What a beautiful boy! Hope you are able to find answers and nurse him back to health if possible.
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