Parrot Forum Header Left  
Go Back   Parrot Forum - Parrot Owner's Community > Species Specific > Budgies/Parakeets

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 11-07-2018, 12:51 AM
Junior Member
Join Date: Nov 2018
Thanks: 1
Thanked 15 Times in 4 Posts
maymayfrauzel is on a distinguished road
Question Is my parakeet going to be okay? Please answer

My parakeet began throwing up clear liquid this afternoon, is lethargic, and not behaving normally. I took her to the vet, they did a physical on her and said everything seemed normal. They said they could do x-rays and other diagnosis things, but they said the stress could potentially kill her which worried me a lot.

Instead, I took home some antibiotics to give to her for a few days and see how she improves or worsens and then take her back to the vet if needed.

I gave her some water a bit ago and she immediately threw it up. The other parakeet in the cage is perfectly fine. She is 2 years old, and I'm insanely worried about her. I can't constantly watch over her as I go to school and work. Is she going to be okay? What should I do? I'm at a loss
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to maymayfrauzel For This Useful Post:
GaleriaGila Supporting Member (11-07-2018), Scott  (11-11-2018), TiredOldMan Supporting Member (11-07-2018)
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 11-07-2018, 01:24 AM
reeb's Avatar
Senior Member
Parrots:
Berry (♀ Cockatiel) hatched June 2017 Opal (♂ Budgie) hatched 13 August 2017 Pearl (♀ Budgie) hatched 15 August 2017 + an aviary of 16 other budgies! all hatched 2014-2017
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Cape Town, South Africa
Thanks: 663
Thanked 947 Times in 350 Posts
reeb is on a distinguished road
Re: Is my parakeet going to be okay? Please answer

That vet doesn't sound too competent... Was she/he a Certified Avian Vet (CAV)? Any bird that is vomiting is clearly ill. Moreover, while there is a risk with some procedures, I have never experienced any of my birds that have been correctly given X-Rays or further investigations such as crop-needling under anaesthetic die from stress. Of course there is always a risk, but avian science has improved a lot and it is definitely possible for birds to be totally okay in veterinary procedures.

The antibiotics might help, if it is in fact a bacterial infection - do you know what kind of antibiotics they are?

I would seriously consider finding another vet to examine her - where are you located in the world? I just think for the vet to say that everything is "normal" when the bird is clearly ill is just really, really questionable.
__________________
one day I'm going to grow wings

your parrot is a part of your world, but you are your parrot's whole world.
Reply With Quote
The Following 13 Users Say Thank You to reeb For This Useful Post:
Boozieshome (11-07-2018), charmedbyekkie (11-07-2018), EllenD (11-07-2018), Flboy  (11-07-2018), GaleriaGila Supporting Member (11-07-2018), itzjbean (11-07-2018), LaManuka Supporting Member (11-07-2018), Laurasea Supporting Member (11-07-2018), maymayfrauzel (11-07-2018), SailBoat Supporting Member (11-07-2018), Scott  (11-11-2018), texsize Supporting Member (11-07-2018), TiredOldMan Supporting Member (11-07-2018)
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 11-07-2018, 06:56 AM
SailBoat's Avatar
Supporting Member
Parrots:
DYH Amazon
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Western, Michigan
Thanks: 36,160
Thanked 24,406 Times in 8,272 Posts
SailBoat will become famous soon enough
Re: Is my parakeet going to be okay? Please answer

Fully support the statements above!
__________________


In each Morning's early light; there is a promise, an Amazon makes!
Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to SailBoat For This Useful Post:
EllenD (11-07-2018), Flboy  (11-07-2018), GaleriaGila Supporting Member (11-07-2018), Scott  (11-11-2018), TiredOldMan Supporting Member (11-07-2018)
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 11-07-2018, 07:31 AM
GaleriaGila's Avatar
Supporting Member
Parrots:
The Rickeybird, 35-year-old Patagonian Conure
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Cleveland area
Thanks: 26,945
Thanked 29,247 Times in 9,448 Posts
GaleriaGila will become famous soon enough
Re: Is my parakeet going to be okay? Please answer

I'm so worried!

But I'm gad you're reaching out...

Here are some links you may find helpful.

I don't know where you are, but here are some links...
Certified Avian Vets
https://abvp.com/animal-owners/find-an-abvp-specialist/
If none are near you...
Avian Veterinarians
http://www.aav.org/search/custom.asp?id=1803
__________________
My Rickeybird
35 year old Patagonian Conure
The Artist. He chews holes -uh- designs - in cloth. I sell them in my eBay art store, Galeria Pet Portraits.
The Scrapbook. 1984-?. http://www.parrotforums.com/incredib...4-updates.html
The Star. Cinema verite! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyC...22fVRRwfLk9gwA
The Pet of the Day. Suggest one!http://petoftheday.com/archive/2016/May/20.html
Reply With Quote
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to GaleriaGila For This Useful Post:
EllenD (11-07-2018), Flboy  (11-07-2018), Laurasea Supporting Member (11-07-2018), SailBoat Supporting Member (11-07-2018), Scott  (11-11-2018), TiredOldMan Supporting Member (11-07-2018)
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 11-07-2018, 11:17 AM
EllenD's Avatar
Senior Member
Parrots:
Senegal Parrot named "Kane"; Yellow-Sided Green Cheek Conure named "Bowie"; Blue Quaker Parrot named "Lita Ford"; Cockatiel named "Duff"; 8 American/English Budgie Hybrids; Ringneck Dove named "Dylan"
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: State College, PA
Thanks: 6,495
Thanked 7,538 Times in 3,076 Posts
EllenD will become famous soon enough
Re: Is my parakeet going to be okay? Please answer

Yeah, you absolutely need to find a Vet who is an Avian Specialist, as this Vet doesn't sound like they know much at all about treating birds....You should NEVER just give a bird an antibiotic without first doing cultures to diagnose #1) Whether they even have an infection in the first place, #2) What specific microbe is causing the infection, and #3) What specific medication will treat this specific microbe. No Avian Specialist Vet will ever just put a bird on an antibiotic on a "just in case" or a "wait and see" basis, because they know that the antibiotic could actually make them much, much worse, or not help them at all because it may not be the correct antibiotic, and in the meantime you have a bird who is already vomiting, which is an indication that they are quite ill.

Did they even take a Fecal Culture??? A Fecal Culture is done on a fresh dropping, and obviously does not cause the bird any stress at all, and will typically diagnose a Gastrointestinal infection and tell them what medication will be effective against it...So obviously this Vet doesn't know what they are doing and you really need to find either a Certified Avian Vet or Avian Specialist and get your bird to them immediately.

***As an example to help you understand where we are coming from, it's quite common for birds to develop Fungal/Yeast infections throughout their GI Tracts, from their Crop right down to their intestines. A simple Fecal Culture will diagnose a Fungal Infection, as well as a Bacterial Infection...Let's say your bird has a GI Fungal Infection...The antibiotic that this Vet gave them will not only NOT TREAT a Fungal Infection at all, but it will actually make the Fungal Infection much, much worse, because it will kill-off all of the healthy, normal Bacteria that is supposed to normally live in their GI Tract and which keeps Fungi/Yeast from forming in the first place. So it's quite possible that the antibiotic you're giving your bird may be making him worse; at best it's probably not doing any good, and could very likely cause an additional Fungal/Yeast Infection on top of what is actually already making her sick.

What antibiotic did they give your bird? And how are you supposed to give it to your bird? (meaning is it a liquid that you are to give him in a syringe directly into his mouth/beak, or are you giving it to him some other way?) Typically these Vets will just prescribe Baytril/Enrofloxacin, that's the most-commonly prescribed antibiotic with these Vets that are just guessing...And it tends to not be the correct antibiotic for them, or not needed at all, and it causes other issues....Your bird is quite ill if he is throwing up even water, and is also most-likely severely dehydrated too. I highly suggest that you get him to a CAV or Avian Specialist immediately, and when you go take a fresh stool-sample with you if you can get one, though if he's not eating he may not produce one for you (if that's the case it's okay, they can take a Fecal swab/culture from his vent/cloaca and run the Culture and microscopy on that)...A fecal culture is simple, quick, and accurate, they may also want to flush his Crop out and then collect the flushing and do a culture on it as well. It's likely that if all of his symptoms are GI related, such as vomiting and loose/runny droppings, or droppings that have bubbles in them, that he probably has a GI infection of some type, and they absolutely need to diagnose exactly what it is and give him the correct medication...I would not hesitate, as if this antibiotic is not the correct one then your bird is going to much worse very quickly...
__________________
"Dance Like Nobody's Watching".
Reply With Quote
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to EllenD For This Useful Post:
Flboy  (11-07-2018), Laurasea Supporting Member (11-07-2018), noodles123 (11-07-2018), Scott  (11-11-2018), TiredOldMan Supporting Member (11-07-2018), tootsietoots (11-07-2018)
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 11-07-2018, 05:35 PM
Senior Member
Parrots:
Umbrella Cockatoo- 11 years old
Join Date: Jul 2018
Thanks: 3,303
Thanked 5,630 Times in 2,267 Posts
noodles123 will become famous soon enough
Re: Is my parakeet going to be okay? Please answer

I would say you need a new vet and I would get to a CAV as soon as possible. Sounds like a bad situation. It is essential that you find out what specifically is wrong with your bird...even if the other bird isn't acting sick, doesn't mean it is okay...I am sorry you are going through this.



Although this could easily be bacterial or fungal (as stated by EllenD) some diseases can take YEARS before showing symptoms (depending on the age at exposure, number of past exposures, species, immune system etc)...those same diseases can often show up right away in other birds (even when they are the same species), so it is very hard to go on symptoms alone.



You also need to know if something is going wrong with a vital organ...A the very least, a gram-stain would have at least informed you about the poop situation (bacteria/yeast etc). That isn't invasive at all. A CAV would also likely do a blood test after ruling out other issues (depending on the state of the bird) in order to test for liver problems etc.



My biggest reason for chiming in is to emphasize the importance of you figuring out exactly what is wrong (for the sake of your sick bird, her bird friend, other birds that they may be exposed to in the future (e.g., boarding etc), as well as any future birds you own).



I am not saying she has one, but certain viruses remain viable for LONG periods of time on surfaces (e.g., carpet, drapes, your clothing, the hvac systems= the air in your home etc), as they are shed via feather dust etc (and disinfecting after exposure to said viruses is VERY complicated). Birds can spread these diseases asymptomatically (they don't all show symptoms, but carriers can spread viruses once infected)...Meaning, regardless of how this turns out, you can't assume that your other bird isn't :
A) a carrier of some sort of virus ,

B) undergoing an incubation period

C) sick and hiding it, or

D) Healthy.



The timeline (especially for viruses) can range from a few days to 10 plus years, to never showing any symptoms (lifetime). The thing is, infected birds still pose a danger to other birds (even if they aren't showing symptoms)...



That is why you need to get both tested.
That is also why vets will perform a necroscopy on birds in order to determine the cause of death (because of the risk involved with certain causes).
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to noodles123 For This Useful Post:
Scott  (11-11-2018), TiredOldMan Supporting Member (11-07-2018)
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 11-07-2018, 10:52 PM
Junior Member
Join Date: Nov 2018
Thanks: 1
Thanked 15 Times in 4 Posts
maymayfrauzel is on a distinguished road
Re: Is my parakeet going to be okay? Please answer

The medicine that the vet gave me is called "Bene-Bac", in a syringe that I am supposed to feed to my bird. I just moved, so I don't have an official vet for her right now; I had taken her to an emergency animal hospital last night. Today, she is acting very close to normal -- even stopped vomiting and has a good appetite --, but she is having diarrhea so I am worried about her staying hydrated. I'm not entirely sure how to go about finding a CAV in my area. This is my first time owning a bird. Would a pet store or animal clinic have a CAV I could talk to? Thank you so much for the help.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to maymayfrauzel For This Useful Post:
Flboy  (11-07-2018), Scott  (11-11-2018), TiredOldMan Supporting Member (11-08-2018)
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 11-07-2018, 11:17 PM
texsize's Avatar
Supporting Member
Parrots:
1 YNA (Bingo) 1 OWA (Plumas R.I.P.) 1 RLA (Pacho R.I.P.) 2 GCA(Luna,Merlin) 1 Congo AG (Bella) 7 Cockatiels
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: so-cal
Thanks: 1,508
Thanked 3,501 Times in 1,353 Posts
texsize is on a distinguished road
Re: Is my parakeet going to be okay? Please answer

antibiotics can cause diarrhea.
I'm glad she is feeling better.
__________________
cockatiel family :
Lucky (M pied)
Baby (M pied)
Pinky (F lutino)
Sunny mother (cinnamon)R.I,P.
Cheeky father (whitface)
Angel (eldest lutino F)
Mango (middle pearl F)
Popeye (male grey M)
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to texsize For This Useful Post:
Scott  (11-11-2018), TiredOldMan Supporting Member (11-08-2018)
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 11-07-2018, 11:23 PM
Senior Member
Parrots:
Umbrella Cockatoo- 11 years old
Join Date: Jul 2018
Thanks: 3,303
Thanked 5,630 Times in 2,267 Posts
noodles123 will become famous soon enough
Re: Is my parakeet going to be okay? Please answer

Quote: Originally Posted by maymayfrauzel View Post
The medicine that the vet gave me is called "Bene-Bac", in a syringe that I am supposed to feed to my bird. I just moved, so I don't have an official vet for her right now; I had taken her to an emergency animal hospital last night. Today, she is acting very close to normal -- even stopped vomiting and has a good appetite --, but she is having diarrhea so I am worried about her staying hydrated. I'm not entirely sure how to go about finding a CAV in my area. This is my first time owning a bird. Would a pet store or animal clinic have a CAV I could talk to? Thank you so much for the help.

Bene-bac is a probiotic.not really a medicine...I mean, they can have too much of it, but that is not going to fix a bird who can't keep down liquids long term (there must be more going on...) ...I give this to my bird daily, so while safe when dosed properly, I would still be concerned about the root of the problem...
And no, a pet store or animal clinic most likely won't.
See Galeriagila's post on CAV's.
As a new bird owner, you don't use any cleaning products, candles or scented things near your bird, do you?
Have you researched any items that heat to ensure that they don't contain PTFE/PFOA/Teflo/fluoroplastics- irons, blow-dyers, steamers, humidifiers, space-heaters, air poppers, microwave popcorn, curling ironss, hot rollers, straighteners, rice cookers, drip trays, roasters etc?

Last edited by noodles123; 11-07-2018 at 11:31 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to noodles123 For This Useful Post:
EllenD (11-08-2018), Scott  (11-11-2018), TiredOldMan Supporting Member (11-08-2018)
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 11-08-2018, 12:05 AM
Junior Member
Join Date: Nov 2018
Thanks: 1
Thanked 15 Times in 4 Posts
maymayfrauzel is on a distinguished road
Re: Is my parakeet going to be okay? Please answer

Quote: Originally Posted by noodles123 View Post
Quote: Originally Posted by maymayfrauzel View Post
The medicine that the vet gave me is called "Bene-Bac", in a syringe that I am supposed to feed to my bird. I just moved, so I don't have an official vet for her right now; I had taken her to an emergency animal hospital last night. Today, she is acting very close to normal -- even stopped vomiting and has a good appetite --, but she is having diarrhea so I am worried about her staying hydrated. I'm not entirely sure how to go about finding a CAV in my area. This is my first time owning a bird. Would a pet store or animal clinic have a CAV I could talk to? Thank you so much for the help.

Bene-bac is a probiotic.not really a medicine...I mean, they can have too much of it, but that is not going to fix a bird who can't keep down liquids long term (there must be more going on...) ...I give this to my bird daily, so while safe when dosed properly, I would still be concerned about the root of the problem...
And no, a pet store or animal clinic most likely won't.
See Galeriagila's post on CAV's.
As a new bird owner, you don't use any cleaning products, candles or scented things near your bird, do you?
Have you researched any items that heat to ensure that they don't contain PTFE/PFOA/Teflo/fluoroplastics- irons, blow-dyers, steamers, humidifiers, space-heaters, air poppers, microwave popcorn, curling ironss, hot rollers, straighteners, rice cookers, drip trays, roasters etc?
I haven't done any research on it, but I'll be sure to. I keep my birds in my room, and I have sprayed Febreeze on a couple occasions in my room, and one time I sprayed something (that didn't belong to or make any contact with the birds) with ant repellent before I knew that it was harmful to birds, and I've made sure not to do anything like that again. Both of these instances were awhile ago. I don't keep anything that produces heat in my room. Do you have any advice on trying to get my bird to keep down water in the meantime until I'm able to get her to someone else? Or any advice in general. I just want my birds to stay healthy and I'm worried about my lack of experience or knowledge
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to maymayfrauzel For This Useful Post:
Scott  (11-11-2018)
Reply

Lower Navigation
Go Back   Parrot Forum - Parrot Owner's Community > Species Specific > Budgies/Parakeets

Tags
illness, parakeet, sick, vet, vomiting

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The answer... dskidd Caiques 14 05-27-2015 08:00 PM
hey there plz answer tania Questions and Answers 1 02-06-2014 08:21 AM
Need answer! jake123 Budgies/Parakeets 11 05-13-2012 11:02 PM
Does anyone answer these angel2k6 General Parrot Information 7 01-17-2012 03:18 PM
Any answer will help bzboy Cockatoos 2 04-18-2009 10:36 AM



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.