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Old 11-20-2018, 08:53 AM
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Hi i havent had alot of time the past week , the last 2 weeks hayat and blue were going crazy at eachother like calling eachother i always kept them seperated and i would let them loose to fly around the house blue and hayat would look for eachother and preening eachother. However last week i found out hayat dropped a egg in the cage i keep her in at the bottom of the cage my first thoughts were uhh noo how is this possible? i made her a wooden house and put the egg in after a few days i see 4 eggs.. it seems to be hayat and blue went breeding with out me knowing it so i put them in a cage together and blue brings her food he takes care of her for me its no problem because i want my birds to life a normal life.. im giving them egg food wich they are eating hayat and boss are very healthy what do i need to know when the eggs hatch ? i already purchased a lamp for when the babys are coming i also witnessed that they are breeding alot more since they are in the cage.. i dont want to seperate them i want to them to life a normal life with theyre babies do you guys have any advice? i heard i should seperate the babys after 4 week? im planning on keeping the whole family together i already made a big aviary in my living room for when the babys are coming please give me advice cause i really want to take care of the babys and let blue and hayat life a normal life!

heres a video of me opening the wooden house for the first time


sorry for the bad grammar and please dont judge me !!!! i just want them to have a normal budgy life.
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Re: Hayat is gonna be a mom soon HELP

only separate babies from the parents if the babies aren't being fed or are being injured or kicked out the nest. Just try and handle the babies when momma allows you for a couple minutes so they learn humans aren't bad. Outside of that I would let the parents do the work, only step in if you need to.

Definitely get yourself the gear needed if the parents do reject the babies now though, I'm sure Ellen is already writing a shopping list for you!
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Old 11-20-2018, 09:19 AM
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Re: Hayat is gonna be a mom soon HELP

Okay, first of all the eggs probably are not fertile if you had them originally separated, so it's likely that this clutch won't hatch...Just them being together preening and such probably causes the female to become hormonal, which causes her to lay infertile eggs. So I wouldn't be surprised if this clutch isn't fertile, but you can "candle" them in about a week (after each egg is a week old) by holding a flashlight behind them, and if you see any red veins then they are fertile, if not then they are infertile...

Are you saying that you want to remove the babies from the nest-box and hand-raise/hand-feed them yourself? Because if you've never done this then I don't suggest it at all, I suggest you leave the eggs/babies in the nest-box full-time, do not move them, and allow the parents to feed them and raise them, wean them, etc. If you want them to be "hand-tame" then all you need to do is wait until they are 3 weeks old and then block-off the nest-box entrance when both parents are out feeding with a piece of cardboard, and then spend 15-20 minutes each day just sitting with/handling each baby (make sure you don't do this until they are 3 weeks old because they are so small, you can easily kill them)...If you have no hand-feeding experience then you will most-likely only end-up having them not make it if you decide to remove the chicks from the nest-box and hand-raise them...

What do you have a "lamp" for? Babies in a nest-box being raised by the parents need no artificial light at all, and you'd kill them from heat-stroke if you put a lamp over their nest-box. The parents take turns laying on the with Budgies, and they are fine. You don't have to do anything at all if you allow the parents to raise them except provide the parents with plenty of food and water...

And if you were to remove the babies to hand-raise/hand-feed them yourself (which you do no sooner than 2 weeks old and no older than 3 weeks old if you do, which I don't think you should at all), you must have a Brooder to keep them in, you cannot put any type of "lamp" over them!!!! It will not keep them warm enough firstly (before they get their down they must be kept at 95 degrees F, and then after they get their down but before all of their mature feathers grow-in they must be kept at 85 degrees), but also YOU'LL END-UP BLINDING THEM IF YOU PUT A LAMP OVER THEM!

It's not optional to not have a proper Brooder, or at least a homemade one that has a thermometer in it and is set-up to keep the babies at constantly the correct temperatures, otherwise they'll either die of exposure, or more-commonly they'll die of severe fungal infections in their Crops/GI Tracts because if they are even a degree too cold they cannot properly digest their formula...The same goes with the hand-feeding formula that you would have to feed them every 2-hours for the first 3-4 weeks (including every 2-hours overnights), you have to always have a candy/cooking thermometer in the hand-feeding formula you are feeding them, as it must ALWAYS be between 104 degrees F and 110 degrees F...1 degree cooler they will develop Fungal Infections, 1 degree hotter and it will burn their crops and cause a horrible wound and infection...So you must have all of the necessary equipment, proper commercial baby bird hand-feeding formula, etc. to remove them from the nest-box and hand-raise them...And please, no lamps!!!

If you want them to "raise them naturally", which is the best idea by far, then you don't need to do anything at all except provide the parents with lots of food and water. The egg-food is a very good idea, as is a Cuttlebone and a Mineral Block...but that's all you have to do. Don't "remove the babies" from the nest-box at all except to start handling them for 15 minutes a day after they are 3 weeks old. That's all you need to do. No extra heat sources, no "removing the babies at 4 weeks", etc. The parents will do it all.
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Re: Hayat is gonna be a mom soon HELP

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Okay, first of all the eggs probably are not fertile if you had them originally separated, so it's likely that this clutch won't hatch...Just them being together preening and such probably causes the female to become hormonal, which causes her to lay infertile eggs. So I wouldn't be surprised if this clutch isn't fertile, but you can "candle" them in about a week (after each egg is a week old) by holding a flashlight behind them, and if you see any red veins then they are fertile, if not then they are infertile...

Are you saying that you want to remove the babies from the nest-box and hand-raise/hand-feed them yourself? Because if you've never done this then I don't suggest it at all, I suggest you leave the eggs/babies in the nest-box full-time, do not move them, and allow the parents to feed them and raise them, wean them, etc. If you want them to be "hand-tame" then all you need to do is wait until they are 3 weeks old and then block-off the nest-box entrance when both parents are out feeding with a piece of cardboard, and then spend 15-20 minutes each day just sitting with/handling each baby (make sure you don't do this until they are 3 weeks old because they are so small, you can easily kill them)...If you have no hand-feeding experience then you will most-likely only end-up having them not make it if you decide to remove the chicks from the nest-box and hand-raise them...

What do you have a "lamp" for? Babies in a nest-box being raised by the parents need no artificial light at all, and you'd kill them from heat-stroke if you put a lamp over their nest-box. The parents take turns laying on the with Budgies, and they are fine. You don't have to do anything at all if you allow the parents to raise them except provide the parents with plenty of food and water...

And if you were to remove the babies to hand-raise/hand-feed them yourself (which you do no sooner than 2 weeks old and no older than 3 weeks old if you do, which I don't think you should at all), you must have a Brooder to keep them in, you cannot put any type of "lamp" over them!!!! It will not keep them warm enough firstly (before they get their down they must be kept at 95 degrees F, and then after they get their down but before all of their mature feathers grow-in they must be kept at 85 degrees), but also YOU'LL END-UP BLINDING THEM IF YOU PUT A LAMP OVER THEM!

It's not optional to not have a proper Brooder, or at least a homemade one that has a thermometer in it and is set-up to keep the babies at constantly the correct temperatures, otherwise they'll either die of exposure, or more-commonly they'll die of severe fungal infections in their Crops/GI Tracts because if they are even a degree too cold they cannot properly digest their formula...The same goes with the hand-feeding formula that you would have to feed them every 2-hours for the first 3-4 weeks (including every 2-hours overnights), you have to always have a candy/cooking thermometer in the hand-feeding formula you are feeding them, as it must ALWAYS be between 104 degrees F and 110 degrees F...1 degree cooler they will develop Fungal Infections, 1 degree hotter and it will burn their crops and cause a horrible wound and infection...So you must have all of the necessary equipment, proper commercial baby bird hand-feeding formula, etc. to remove them from the nest-box and hand-raise them...And please, no lamps!!!

If you want them to "raise them naturally", which is the best idea by far, then you don't need to do anything at all except provide the parents with lots of food and water. The egg-food is a very good idea, as is a Cuttlebone and a Mineral Block...but that's all you have to do. Don't "remove the babies" from the nest-box at all except to start handling them for 15 minutes a day after they are 3 weeks old. That's all you need to do. No extra heat sources, no "removing the babies at 4 weeks", etc. The parents will do it all.
thanks for the respond ellen ive seen them breed in the cage though! and im geussing while i wasnt paying attention blue also hopped on hayats back thats my geuss i dont want to seperate the birds but ive heard that when they are to old i should seperate them from the parents is that true?
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Re: Hayat is gonna be a mom soon HELP

The parents will feed and raise them inside of the nest-box, and also wean them onto solid food. The babies will come out of the nest-box on their own when they are ready to start weaning and fledging, and then go back in to sleep. Only when the babies are fully weaned onto solid food and the parents are no longer feeding them and they are ready to live on their own should you "remove them", which for Budgies is between 8-10 weeks old...

You only remove babies from the parents prior to them being fully-weaned and ready to live on their own if YOU ARE going to be hand-raising them inside of a Brooder and hand-feeding them baby-bird formula with a syringe on a very strict schedule, which if you've never done before or taught how to do you shouldn't be doing, as you will either aspirate them and kill them, or they will die of fungal infections due to you not knowing proper ambient and formula temperatures, or how to handle the many issues that can arise. If you're going to hand-raise them inside of a Brooder and hand-feed them, then you must remove them from the parents no earlier than 2 weeks old and no older than 3 weeks old...But you're not thinking of doing this, are you? You said you wanted the parents to raise the birds, which is definitely the right thing to do, and if that's the case then no, you never remove the babies until they are fully-weaned onto only solid food by the parents, and totally out of the nest-box on their own choice, which for Budgies is between 8-10 weeks old...

Please don't think about hand-raising/hand-feeding them yourself. You've never done it before, you don't have the proper equipment, it's very difficult, you have to be home to feed them every 2 hours on the dot, including overnight, until they are between 3-4 weeks old, then it goes to every 3-4 hours, and so on, and it's so easy to kill them, especially if you've never done it before and if you don't plan on buying a Brooder (no lamps, once again this is a big no-no, they are not chickens or other poultry birds)...Just allow the parents to raise, feed, and wean them inside of the nest-box and their cage until they are fully-weaned and fledge around 8-10 weeks old, and they decide they are ready to go to new homes or move into their own cages.
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Re: Hayat is gonna be a mom soon HELP

thank you so much ellen! im defo not planning on feeding them myself so after how many weeks should i put them in a sepperate cage or can i just keep them in a cage with mom and dad?
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Make sure she has adequate calcium and nutrition (vegetables etc). Having just produced eggs, she will need it.
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Re: Hayat is gonna be a mom soon HELP

You must leave them in the same cage as mom and dad and keep the nest-box in with them until they are fully-weaned onto solid food and mom/dad have totally stopped feeding them, which again with Budgies is usually around 8-10 weeks old, though it can take longer sometimes. You'll know when they are fully-weaned when the babies stop going into the nest-box anymore, are eating solid food all the time, and mom/dad are no longer going into the nest-box to feed them. Once the babies are staying outside of the nest-box full-time and feeding themselves all the time, then you can put them into their own cage...Leaving them in with mom and dad is usually not a good idea, as firstly mom/dad can become aggressive with them, wanting them gone, but also because if you keep them together in the same cage for too long, they will start inbreeding with mom/dad, which you certainly don't want...

Also, once the babies are fully-weaned onto solid food and put into their own cages, you need to remove the nest-box immediately from mom and dad's cage, as Budgies are extremely prone to continual, chronic breeding and egg-laying, and you'll end-up with clutch after clutch after clutch of babies, which could be as much as 12-13 babies per clutch or more with Budgies, and which is also extremely unhealthy and dangerous for mom.

What you need to do once these babies fully-wean and are moved to their own cage is remove the nest-box immediately and never put it back in. Remove anything from mom and dad's cage that could be used as "nesting material", such as bedding, straw, wood chips, blankets/towels, etc. And it's likely that you will find another egg laid inside of the bottom of mom and dad's cage or in a food dish in their cage within a few weeks of the babies leaving their cage...What you want to do to try to knock mom out of "breeding season" is too immediately remove the nest-box as soon as the babies are fully-weaned and out on their own in another cage, and then whenever you see the first egg laid somewhere in mom/dad's cage you need to remove it immediately (do not put the nest-box back in!!!), and boil the egg for 20 minutes on your stove in water. Then let it cool, and then put it right back into mom/dad's cage, on the bottom grate without any "nest" or anything, just right on the grate. And then you need to do this exact same thing with each additional egg she lays, remove each one as soon as you see it, boil it for 20 minutes, let it cool, then put it back in the cage on the bottom grate with the others. After mom lays 2-3 eggs she'll start laying on them on the bottom of the cage where you are putting them after you boil them. Make sure you remove each new egg and boil it and then put it right back. She might lay an entire clutch of up to 12 eggs, just boil each one and put it back so she can lay on it on the bottom of the cage...After a while she will realize that they are not going to hatch, she'll become bored with them, and she'll suddenly stop laying on them and just leave them laying on the bottom of the cage...When you're certain she is no longer laying on the already boiled eggs then you can remove them from their cage and throw them out...This should calm her hormones, as well as dad's, and knock her out of breeding-season, so she'll stop continually laying eggs...Keep all nest-boxes or any other boxes, "huts", tents, or any other small, dark places that they can get into out of their cage, along with all "nesting materials", such as bedding, straw, wood chips, towels/blankets, fabric, etc. There should be nothing like this inside of their cage, as small, dark places and anything that can be used as a "nest" cause their hormones to rage...
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Re: Hayat is gonna be a mom soon HELP

I can't help but comment on the coincidental nature her name...you named her life, and there you have it, MORE LIFE
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Guys she laid 5 eggs and 4 of them have red veins in it i checked with a flashlight!!! Cant wait for the babys
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