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Old 02-10-2019, 09:25 AM
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So I read you aren't suppose to tell if she is even got an egg, but mine two were having sex or whatever a few nights ago and now her butt looks weird. What do you think
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Re: Egg bound?

I would say go with your gut on this---yes, that does appear to look different/odd to me, but hard to say without a "before" picture since I don't have any experience with "pregnant" parakeets...

I do know his species is highly prone to egg binding, you have 2 in the same cage, and they were having sex, so you know that there is a very strong possibility of eggs in general...Plus, you think her butt looks weird. That is why I say get her to the vet ASAP.

Sorry that probably doesn't help much.....but I would get in as soon as possible because you don't want it getting worse.
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Old 02-10-2019, 09:41 AM
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Re: Egg bound?

She is definitely wanting to start brooding on something (judging by the bald belly).


If I suspect mine of 'trying for motherhood' I start weiging every single morning => they gain weight *fast* then.
That may be a little late for you (today that is), but I've found it very helpfull, because you can be sure 'there just appeared extra weight out of nowhere' (that disappears after laying an egg..)


Is she displaying any of the signs of being eggboud?
Of are you just worried because of the mating you observed?


The CAV is never a bad idea btw. You know your bird, so you know if something is 'not right'.
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Old 02-10-2019, 12:19 PM
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Re: Egg bound?

Can you feel anything in her lower abdomen? DON'T PUSH OR PRESS ON HER ABDOMEN, but with Budgies because they are so small, you can usually feel if they are carrying an egg by simply running your finger lightly over their lower abdomen; you're usually able to feel something hard and round, and typically you can also actually see the egg once it's fully-formed and in their Oviduct, just because of how small they are...

As Christa said, even if you can't see or feel an egg, she plucked the feathers around her vent and on her lower abdomen, which is an indication that she is planning on nesting...If you actually see two Budgies of the opposite sex mating, that typically means that they are mating over and over and over again, as that's what Budgies do, and since it only takes once they do typically succeed in producing fertile eggs...So just based on her plucking herself, she most-likely at the least has formed Follicles, but more than likely is forming eggs, and they are most-likely fertile.

***Don't provide any type of nest-box or nesting-material as of now!!! I don't know what your intentions are or whether you want to allow chicks to hatch, etc., but if you DON'T want to allow the eggs to hatch and you are planning on boiling any eggs that are laid for 20 minutes and then returning them to the bottom of the cage, you certainly do not want to provide them any type of nesting-material or box, as that will only encourage them to keep breeding and laying clutch after clutch. Instead, you need to just allow her to lay the eggs on the bottom of her cage right on the grate, with nothing she can use as nesting material available...When she does lay an egg you need to immediately remove it from the bottom of the cage or the food cup, wherever she lays it, and you need to boil it in water on the stove for 20 minutes to render it non-viable. Then allow it to cool-down and then place it right back onto the bottom of the cage...Budgies can lay very large clutches of eggs up to 12 or more, and they won't start laying on their eggs until they lay at least 2 eggs, sometimes 3. So you need to do the same with each subsequent egg that she lays as soon as you see it appear you need to boil it for 20 minutes and then put it right back down on the bottom of the cage with the rest of them (TAKE A PEN AND PUT A LITTLE MARK ON EACH EGG AFTER YOU BOIL THEM SO THAT YOU'LL KNOW WHICH EGGS ARE NEWLY-LAID AND NEED TO BE BOILED)...After she lays 2-3 eggs she will start laying on them, and just allow her to do so but do not provide her with any type of box, nesting materials, towels, blankets, etc. because that's not going to knock her out of breeding-season, which is your goal. Allow her to lay on her eggs (after you've boiled each new egg laid), and eventually she'll realize they aren't going to hatch, she'll get bored with them, and when she stops laying on them you can just throw them away at that point...And hopefully she won't just start laying another clutch right away if you follow this plan...Natural-Light Schedule will also help tremendously to knock them both out of breeding-season..

****You need to keep a very close eye on her and on her lower abdomen, because it's extremely common for Budgies to become egg-bound due to their small size and the large size of their eggs in-comparison. If you see her at all straining like she has to poop but can't, or if she becomes at all disoriented and starts to fall over, walk around like she's drunk, or she starts to "star-gaze", these are all signs of egg-binding, and you need to get her to the Avian Vet immediately...At the University, not that other guy obviously....

If she doesn't already have both a Cuttlebone and a Mineral Block in her cage, then you need to go out and get her both ASAP. Also, buying a bag of Egg-Food and providing her with a small cup of it once daily is a very good idea, as it will not only provide her with extra Calcium and Phosphorous, but more-importantly it's very nutrient-dense and full of lots of protein. Female Budgies have a tendency to lose a lot of weight when they lay clutches of eggs, it just uses up all of the nutrition that they take-in to form both the Follicles and the Eggs and then also to lay them, and they end-up becoming not only malnourished but also undernourished...So a small cup of Egg-Food once a day in addition to their regular daily diet helps them tremendously...Any Petco or Petsmart will sell bags of Qwiko brand Egg-Food for $10 a bag, and it's good stuff. You want the blue bad of Qwiko Egg-Food, the regular Egg-Food (they also sell a red bad of Egg-Food that is meant for Canaries and Finches)...Also, lots of dark, leafy greens and nutrient-dense foods.
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Re: Egg bound?

I rubbed her belly gently when I held her for pictures this morning to show you, then I went to bed (graveyard shift) and woke up to an egg in the nesting box.

They are first time parents I'm sure they will botch this round, or not. I figure mind as well let them practice. I would really like to have them raise a clutch. I'm wanting the practice too, as I really want my tiels to breed. I'm glad she wasn't bound. I'll get some supplies from Petco!.

Should I pull the third budgie from the cage? Not sure if it's a boy or girl, it's lutino. They fight and I have another cage I'll pull her till I hear otherwise from you. Thank you for the information, and any more now that she's laying eggs I'd take all the advice from experienced budgie parents I can get
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Re: Egg bound?

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She is definitely wanting to start brooding on something (judging by the bald belly).


If I suspect mine of 'trying for motherhood' I start weiging every single morning => they gain weight *fast* then.
That may be a little late for you (today that is), but I've found it very helpfull, because you can be sure 'there just appeared extra weight out of nowhere' (that disappears after laying an egg..)


Is she displaying any of the signs of being eggboud?
Of are you just worried because of the mating you observed?


The CAV is never a bad idea btw. You know your bird, so you know if something is 'not right'.
Honestly I saw them mating the other night so I figured I'd see some eggs soon. He rear end bulged so I figured it was an egg. But the internet says you can't tell if she's about to lay an egg. So it made me worry, but she laid one and seems to be fine. I didn't see any symptoms other than the butt bulge.
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Re: Egg bound?

Congrats on an egg.

Yup, always remove the third wheel if you want your paired birds to raise young, especially if that one already got the couple into fights etc..
(in some cases last years young will actually help raise the new babies, but most of the time: more adults = more problems, esp unrelated ones.)

Just to be the impossible optimist: what are you plans for (eventual) babies.
Do they have homes waiting?


(most owners I know do not let their birds breed unless there is a waitinglist of people who want to adopt them, ... of course there is that one collegue that lets his tiels just 'have a go at it' in the outside aviary but expects the mice to eat the babies before they fledge - those tiels are botching up a lot as well.)
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Re: Egg bound?

Yes, absolutely pull the other Budgie from that cage, because Budgies who are raising chicks become very aggressive/jealous and they do kill each other quite often, along with the chicks. You don't want to come home to find that. It's best to keep just the breeding-pair in that cage with the chicks and that's it until the entire process is over.

You need to know that once a pair of Budgies raises a clutch of chicks they often don't stop. For whatever reason they just keep breeding and breeding, so it's important that you take every measure to stop them after this process is over, because this will inevitably result in the death of your female and a ton of unwanted baby Budgies.

Make sure you line the bottom of the nestbox with a layer of bedding, the Carefresh shredded paper kind is best and safest, because if you don't the chicks will become Splay-Legged. The female will keep throwing the bedding out of the nestbox, that's normal, you just have to keep putting it back in and make sure that once a chick hatches there is always bedding in the bottom. Also definitely make sure you get the Cuttlebone, the Mineral Block, and some Egg Food, especially since mom and dad will be feeding the chicks too, at least for the first 2-3 weeks, or more depending on your plans...

***Are you planning on pulling these chicks and hand-raising/hand-feeding them at 2-3 weeks, or are you planning on allowing them to be parent-raised? I'm only asking because if you want to "practice" hand-raising/hand-feeding, then you need to start getting the supplies/equipment together now, as your incubation period is only about 21 days before any fertile eggs hatch....
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Re: Egg bound?

" . I would really like to have them raise a clutch. I'm wanting the practice too, as I really want my tiels to breed. I'm glad she wasn't bound. I'll get some supplies from Petco "

I'm kinda concerned. You had your baby conure die of an avain virus. These and your other birds haven't seen a vet.. and you mentioned wanting to breed your cockatiels. Yet there are concerns with your female cockatiel health.
I'm just very concerned, because if you breed and rehome the babies you could be spreading the virus to other homes, and homes that might have other birds.... This breeding of the budgies for practice just doesn't seem like a good idea right now..... Sorry.
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Re: Egg bound?

Yes pull the other 3rd wheel Budgie from that cage. You likely have 5 more eggs coming for that clutch, as they lay one egg about every 2 days. Please put some nesting material in that breeding box. Plus you have to change diet, as they do need the extra protein.

1 egg, with shell
1 tbsp cooked brown rice
1 tsp millet
1 tbsp crushed budgie pellets OR milled, mixed seeds
2 tbsp mixed chopped and grated fruit and veg

Boil the egg for 15 minutes. Remove the shell and grind it up. Finely chop the egg. Mix all the ingredients together and serve cold. The fruit isn’t essential, but some budgies take more readily to the mix if it has that sweet kick. Never be tempted to add honey or other sweeteners, though; and don’t be tempted by recipes that suggest a boiled egg and a couple of digestive sweet biscuits can do the trick. No biscuits sold for human consumption are suitable for budgies, due to their added sugar, salt and fat.

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