Freaking out!! URGENT!!!

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Stupid Rascal spooked for NO reason and it make Coconut spook and they both flew full speed and Rascal bumped into Coconut in midair and Coconut flew head first into the wall and now he busted side of his right nostril... I see blood but its not leaking blood.

I am VERY WORRIED... could Coconut have suffered a concussion??? He cried in pain (this is what makes me even more worried he hurt himself BADLY???)… I feel devastated this happened. I am very worried about him…. I am also worried how to PREVENT this from ever happening again. I don’t think I can allow Rascal to be out at same time because Rascal is too unpredictable and when Rascal freaks out it makes Coconut go into a panic. It's so dangerous because Coconut cannot fly properly yet... horrible. Rascal is very experienced flyer... Coconut is not :(

I don't know what to do. I just HOPE Coconut is OK.... he is preening now... so if it were very serious then he would not be preening right now??? He's acting perfectly normal. I've heard poeple tell me their bird flew into a wall... then died few days later.... but did their bird act OK or sick ever since the accident I wonder???


 
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Can you get him to an emergency vet today? He could easily have a serious head injury.
 
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Can you get him to an emergency vet today? He could easily have a serious head injury.

Crap... even if he's acting completely normal??? Or does that NOT matter? I would have to call for emergency vet.... he's acting normal though.... do I still rush him to vet? Thanks
 

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I second the suggestion to take him to the vet. Especially with a little blood, even though it's not oozing. My vet likes to say that "any bleeding in a bird is urgent", and sees bleeding birds no matter how packed his schedule is.
 
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The odd hting is that its not actually bleeding... it looks like he scraped the top part of his tissue off so it's red... but it's not bleeding. I just left voicemail for emerenngcy vet...

they didn't pick up... so I will call another one now. He's acing 100% normal thought running around playing with toys... i HOPE thats a good sign???
 
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OMG I am rushing him to vet the vet scared me with what she said....
 

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Birds don't act sick until they are *really* sick. I don't think it's time to completely freak out, but it is time to have a vet check him out.
 

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Best of luck! We are waiting for an update, drive safe.
 

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You're doing the right thing. He might be fundamentally fine, but you never know with parrots. They try their best to hide sickness. It's a survival tactic.

As for keeping it from happening again, there is no way to guarantee it. But taking them out at separate times while you work on improving Coconut's flight skills is a good start. Or you can have them both out in a smaller room where they won't be able to build up quite so much speed before impact.

How old is Coconut? Was he allowed to fledge?

We'll be looking forward to your update, and hoping for the best.
 

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It's always safest to get a professional opinion, everyone has been right so far in saying that parrots hide their symptoms very well.

I think I got here a little late and you are probably at the vet already as I write this, but here is what I suggest you do (in the event that you are unable to get him to a vet right away).

Put him low to the ground in a calm quite room, preferably in his cage. Let him cool down, even mist him a little with a fine mist spray bottle. Point the nozzle into the air and let the mist fall down on him like rain. This will cool and calm him as well as rinsing some of that blood away from the nares.

If he is acting fine, and if you have rinsed the damaged area and see no serious injury, chances are he will okay in a few minutes. But yes, it is always a good idea to check with your vet.

For future prevention: I know this may go against everything you believe as a bird owner...but... I suggest that you clip your birds wings. Unless a bird lives in a large aviary or is flight trained by an expert, it is simply unsafe to keep your pet birds flighted. This is experience is the perfect example. I'm not saying that birds can't live perfectly safe and happy lives if they are fully flighted indoors, because the absolutely can. What I AM saying is that the bird owner needs to be willing to accept that risk of injury, loosing your bird, or even death increases by 200% (or more) if they choose to keep their birds flighted.

I'm not concerned with any moral debate of what is 'right or wrong' when it comes to the topic of flighted vs clipped. My point of discussion with bird owners is simply safety vs risk.

Another important point is that, contrary to popular opinion, wing clipping doesn't have to reduce the happiness of your bird. Most bird groomers over clip birds which makes them drop out of the sky like a stone. That is not what I am suggesting here at all.

I suggest a baby clip. This means only trimming 2 - 4 of the primary flight feathers (never touching the secondaries or back feathers needed for balance). This will give them the ability to still 'fly' but reduce the speed and height at which they can do so. Simply put, they wont hit things as hard (or at all) if they do get spooked like your experience today AND in the event that someone accidentally leaves a door or window open (heaven forbid), your precious feather babies wont get to far.

I hope this was helpful,

If you (or anyone) has any questions about this or similar bird topics I am more that happy to help if I can.

I hope coconut is feeling better already, all the best.

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Yeah, Take him to a vet. I had a friend who had his budgie fly into a wall. I t seemed fine until two week later when it started bleeding and the vet said that it was too far gone. :(
 
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I don't want to get into a debate here... but I disgagree... I feel birds are MORE prone to get injured with wings clipped.

The problem here is not that Coconut's wings are unclipped. The problem is that Coconut was NEVER able to fledge... the breeder butchered his wings so short he would drop like a rock (Coconut is about 4 or 5 months old). Rascal is VERY experienced at flying.. I would NEVER ever clip Rascal's wings for multiple reasons.

Again, I don't wish to start a debate on clipping or not clipping. I very FIRMLY do not feel clipping wings is "safer" nor healthy for a bird. People should bird proof their house... not bird proof the bird.

Coconut has only been able able to fly for an extremely short amount of time (so flying is very new to him). I will not longer be able to have them both out of the cage until Coconut's flight feathers are fully grown and he has had a chance to develop more skills... skills he would have had long ago if the breeder had not hacked his wings off.

Even when Coconut could glide to the floor he almost got VERY seriously injured when his wings were clipped simply because he could not fly.
 
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I just got home... the vet was not at the clinic... some young girl was there who did not know how to do ANYTHING. I was the one who had to weigh Coconut and she did not know how to administer medication to the bird via a syringe. I had to do it myself... there was metacam in the syringe.


This young girl then told me the vet won't even see Coconut until tomorrow. I was like WHAT!!!?????

Then she handed me the phone and the vet claims she will see Coconut today.

I got stuck with a $670 bill!!!! This is the same vet who charged me $5,100 when I had emergency with Rascal 2 years ago. The other emergency vet never bothered to get back to me after I missed her call the first time and called her back... so I had to go to this vet.

I REALLY love Coconut and just hope he's ok... is honestly just looks like a superficial scrape on his nostril area... but the fact he was reallly crying after he got the injure is what has me nervous.

NEVER again will Rascal be outside the cage with Coconut. Coconut needs to learn how to properly fly and he has impoved TREMENDOUSLY. He TOPPD fying into the blinds... never flys into mirrors anymore etc. They are very fast learners.

The problem here is the fact that Rascal spooked and got Coconut spooked as well... Rascal is perfectly fine flying when he spooks... but Coconut is DEFINITELY NOT.
 

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Ugh. Every time I read stories here of terrible treatment by vets, I become more thankful of my own vet.

Edited because my brain mixed up Palm Beach, FL with Palm Springs, CA. I grew up in Miami and know Palm Beach quite well, but I'm in a brain fog today.
 
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Vet just called me... she said she just looked at him... she wants to keep him until tomorrow night.... she said she gave him antibiotics etc.

If all is OK with Coconut I can bring him home tomorrow night. There window sill had this long tile slab as the sill... that is laying the the floor as it was removed since it's being replaced. I think that is what Coconut hit! :(

I am immediately throwing that slab in the garbage. Rascal is also going to be staying inside the cage whenever Coconut it out of the cage... NO exceptions!! :(
 
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Ugh. Every time I read stories here of terrible treatment by vets, I become more thankful of my own vet. You're a few hours from me, but if it comes down to it and you want to drive to San Diego (I'm assuming the Palm Beach in your location is Palm Beach, CA), I can give the name of an incredible avian vet.

I WISH I still lived in CA. I lived in SoCal for several years many many years ago.I eventually hope to move back... but more than anythinn I HOPE Coconut is ok.

I feel sick to my stomach right now.
 
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Yeah, Take him to a vet. I had a friend who had his budgie fly into a wall. I t seemed fine until two week later when it started bleeding and the vet said that it was too far gone. :(


OMG! Now you really have me MUCH more worried! Was the budgie bleeding at all anywhere? OMG. You mean he started beelding two weeks after the injry? Or was bleeding internally in his head? OMG :( You really have me worried now.

I wonder if doing a partial clip on Coconut for now to slow him down will help? I am VERY worried to prevent this from happening again. I simply do NOT trust Coconut's flying skills. I am EXTREMELY angry the breeder butcherd his wings off. Coconut NEVER even had a chance to fledge!
 

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Sorry, I just edited my last post because I realized I mixed up a couple cities. I have a serious case of brain fog going on.

And I'm worried for poor Coconut as well. A lot of people, even vets, just don't understand how we can become as attached to our birds as people are to their dogs and cats.
 
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It's always safest to get a professional opinion, everyone has been right so far in saying that parrots hide their symptoms very well.

I think I got here a little late and you are probably at the vet already as I write this, but here is what I suggest you do (in the event that you are unable to get him to a vet right away).

Put him low to the ground in a calm quite room, preferably in his cage. Let him cool down, even mist him a little with a fine mist spray bottle. Point the nozzle into the air and let the mist fall down on him like rain. This will cool and calm him as well as rinsing some of that blood away from the nares.

If he is acting fine, and if you have rinsed the damaged area and see no serious injury, chances are he will okay in a few minutes. But yes, it is always a good idea to check with your vet.

For future prevention: I know this may go against everything you believe as a bird owner...but... I suggest that you clip your birds wings. Unless a bird lives in a large aviary or is flight trained by an expert, it is simply unsafe to keep your pet birds flighted. This is experience is the perfect example. I'm not saying that birds can't live perfectly safe and happy lives if they are fully flighted indoors, because the absolutely can. What I AM saying is that the bird owner needs to be willing to accept that risk of injury, loosing your bird, or even death increases by 200% (or more) if they choose to keep their birds flighted.

I'm not concerned with any moral debate of what is 'right or wrong' when it comes to the topic of flighted vs clipped. My point of discussion with bird owners is simply safety vs risk.

Another important point is that, contrary to popular opinion, wing clipping doesn't have to reduce the happiness of your bird. Most bird groomers over clip birds which makes them drop out of the sky like a stone. That is not what I am suggesting here at all.

I suggest a baby clip. This means only trimming 2 - 4 of the primary flight feathers (never touching the secondaries or back feathers needed for balance). This will give them the ability to still 'fly' but reduce the speed and height at which they can do so. Simply put, they wont hit things as hard (or at all) if they do get spooked like your experience today AND in the event that someone accidentally leaves a door or window open (heaven forbid), your precious feather babies wont get to far.

I hope this was helpful,

If you (or anyone) has any questions about this or similar bird topics I am more that happy to help if I can.

I hope coconut is feeling better already, all the best.

Leigh

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I am indeed thinking a baby clip would be best for now until Coconut at east has better skills. Oddly though.... even when ALL of Rascal's flight fleathers are cut short he can still fly full speed. I normally cut Rascal's flight feathers short to make putting the flightsuit on easier... it's very difficult to pull his long wings through the holes of the suit otherwise as he comes with me everywhere I go... so he wears the flightsuit often.
I plan to take Coconut to has his nails trimmed and will request that when Rascal and Coconut get their nails trimmed... right after I bring Coconut home. I REALLY hope he is OK. I have major knots in stomach worried about this. I will ask her for advice how how to slow down his flying... but sitll alow him ability to fly.... but slow him down a LOT..... but I wonder just how mmuch can they be SLOWED down? I need to slow down Coconut as much as possible.

That doesn't seem to work on Rascal though as he can still fly very fast with ALLL flight feathers cut short... not that I would ever need that for Rascal. He's a very skilled flyer. Wish I could say the same for Coconut but that is so not the case.
 
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Sorry, I just edited my last post because I realized I mixed up a couple cities. I have a serious case of brain fog going on.

And I'm worried for poor Coconut as well. A lot of people, even vets, just don't understand how we can become as attached to our birds as people are to their dogs and cats.

I never expected to like the new tiel so much as I 100% ONLY got a second tiel because I wanted to get Rascal a friend as Rascal HATES being alone. I REALLY wanted to get a GCC but got another tiel instead for Rascal. Turns out "alone" means... when I'm not with him. Rascal could not care less about Coconut... they don't even like each other... but I REALLY love Coconut.

I am VERY happy I got Coconut even though Rascal couldn't care less. I am obesessed with Coconut... he is the most AWESOME bird ever. I feel very fortunate to have found Coconut. Even if Rascal hates him... I LOVE Coconut very much and wouldn't change a thing... ironically I made right decision getting a second tiel.

The next 2 weeks is going to suck.... I will be very worried about Coconut :(
 

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