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Old 11-06-2018, 01:51 PM
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Coco has gotten even worse. The Doxy shot hardly has any affect; she keeps her beak open to breathe. She keeps her feathers fluffed and I've turned on the heater to help her keep warm. She's very tired; she's doing nothing but sleeping. I saw her eat a bit this morning. I gave her the Baytril. When she sleeps her beak isn't in her feathers. Instead, she bobs and shakes her head with eyes closed most of the time. Her tail bobs as well and it's pointed down. I try to not bother her, but when I check up on her I can't tell if she's trying to greet me and can't or if she is agitated that I'm there. I just hope she knows how much I love her. Those lab results aren't getting here soon enough.
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Re: Did my cockatiel have a seizure?

Sorry to hear that. Prolonged antibiotics can lead to yeast or fungal overgrowth...you can give her some live culture yogurt no artificial sweeteners kind, about half a teaspoon, it's the same as the probiotics powder the sell at let stores... I hope she can recover... I'm in your corner
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Sorry to hear that. Prolonged antibiotics can lead to yeast or fungal overgrowth...you can give her some live culture yogurt no artificial sweeteners kind, about half a teaspoon, it's the same as the probiotics powder the sell at let stores... I hope she can recover... I'm in your corner
I can't thank you enough for all your help. Today, for about 3 hours I did see her eat quite a bit. She doesn't look any better, but I was so happy to finally hear her before I covered the cage. She always says good night. She doesn't look any better. All I can do is care for her and hope she fights to stay with me. I hope she comes out on top.
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Oh I'm so sorry, this is exactly why these damn Vets cannot just "guess" what is wrong with them and prescribe medications that aren't correct; Honestly the Baytril is them doing exactly the same thing, but I understand they are waiting for the culture results...I'm afraid she may have had Aspergilliosis this entire time, or a very bad Upper Respiratory Infection that is Fungal and not Bacterial, meaning that all of the antibiotics this Vet has given her has only made the fungal infection so much worse, to the point that it's all throughout her Respiratory system, lungs, Crop, GI Tract, etc.

****Do NOT put anything in her Drinking Water!!!!!!! The Qwiko powdered Probiotics are very good, but you should only sprinkle it on her food once a day, that's it. Please, if you've put any in her drinking water dump it out now, disinfect her drinking bowl with very hot water, and then give her fresh water, and never put any Probiotics, any medications, any supplements/vitamins, nothing ever in her drinking water! It contaminates her drinking water and starts fungal/bacterial growth in the water dish immediately, and she certainly cannot have that right now...So only on her food once a day...

****I think you need to speak to this Vet about Nebulizer treatments with the proper medication(s) based on the culture results... When an Upper Respiratory Infection gets this bad, or if it's something like Aspergilliosis or Psittacosis to the point that it's this bad, or a Fungi/Yeast, then the injections nor the oral meds are going to work quickly enough and she may die...Nebulizing the medication directly into her lungs and her respiratory tissue is the absolute best way to treat this at this point, and I'd almost insist upon it at this point. You can either build your own Nebulizer out of a large, plastic tub and a vaporizer, like the kind they sell for humans at drug stores and stores like Walmart, or you can usually just rent a proper Nebulizer directly from either the Vet or from a Home-Healthcare supply store...I made one using a plastic tub and a Vicks brand human Vaporizer that I bought at Walmart for $30. I had to do this for my Quaker a year ago, and it worked almost immediately. You simply dilute the antibiotic or anti-fungal medication, or both, in distilled water in the correct dilution ratio, which the Vet can give you, put it in the Vaporizer, put the Vaporizer inside of the plastic tub, put the bird inside of the tub, put the lid on, and let the bird breath the medication directly into their lungs and respiratory tissue for 15-20 minutes per treatment, once or twice a day...They typically show extreme improvement in the breathing symptoms after 1-2 treatments, and you continue them for at least a week or two. Nebulizer treatments are what most-all Certified Avian Vets are prescribing immediately now for birds with either a severe Upper Respiratory Infection, Aspergilliosis, Bacterial or Fungal Pneumonia, etc. They don't even mess around with oral meds or injections anymore. Treating a Respiratory or lung infection with oral meds is very ineffective, and injections aren't a whole lot better, as the medication needs to get directly into the respiratory and lung tissue...So I would be making this suggestion to this Vet ASAP, And if they tell you that Nebulization is not a good idea, I'd insist upon it, or insist that they have a phone-consult with a Certified Avian Vet immediately and ask their opinion, because I guarantee that they'll recommend Nebulization...
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Oh I'm so sorry, this is exactly why these damn Vets cannot just "guess" what is wrong with them and prescribe medications that aren't correct; Honestly the Baytril is them doing exactly the same thing, but I understand they are waiting for the culture results...I'm afraid she may have had Aspergilliosis this entire time, or a very bad Upper Respiratory Infection that is Fungal and not Bacterial, meaning that all of the antibiotics this Vet has given her has only made the fungal infection so much worse, to the point that it's all throughout her Respiratory system, lungs, Crop, GI Tract, etc.

****Do NOT put anything in her Drinking Water!!!!!!! The Qwiko powdered Probiotics are very good, but you should only sprinkle it on her food once a day, that's it. Please, if you've put any in her drinking water dump it out now, disinfect her drinking bowl with very hot water, and then give her fresh water, and never put any Probiotics, any medications, any supplements/vitamins, nothing ever in her drinking water! It contaminates her drinking water and starts fungal/bacterial growth in the water dish immediately, and she certainly cannot have that right now...So only on her food once a day...

****I think you need to speak to this Vet about Nebulizer treatments with the proper medication(s) based on the culture results... When an Upper Respiratory Infection gets this bad, or if it's something like Aspergilliosis or Psittacosis to the point that it's this bad, or a Fungi/Yeast, then the injections nor the oral meds are going to work quickly enough and she may die...Nebulizing the medication directly into her lungs and her respiratory tissue is the absolute best way to treat this at this point, and I'd almost insist upon it at this point. You can either build your own Nebulizer out of a large, plastic tub and a vaporizer, like the kind they sell for humans at drug stores and stores like Walmart, or you can usually just rent a proper Nebulizer directly from either the Vet or from a Home-Healthcare supply store...I made one using a plastic tub and a Vicks brand human Vaporizer that I bought at Walmart for $30. I had to do this for my Quaker a year ago, and it worked almost immediately. You simply dilute the antibiotic or anti-fungal medication, or both, in distilled water in the correct dilution ratio, which the Vet can give you, put it in the Vaporizer, put the Vaporizer inside of the plastic tub, put the bird inside of the tub, put the lid on, and let the bird breath the medication directly into their lungs and respiratory tissue for 15-20 minutes per treatment, once or twice a day...They typically show extreme improvement in the breathing symptoms after 1-2 treatments, and you continue them for at least a week or two. Nebulizer treatments are what most-all Certified Avian Vets are prescribing immediately now for birds with either a severe Upper Respiratory Infection, Aspergilliosis, Bacterial or Fungal Pneumonia, etc. They don't even mess around with oral meds or injections anymore. Treating a Respiratory or lung infection with oral meds is very ineffective, and injections aren't a whole lot better, as the medication needs to get directly into the respiratory and lung tissue...So I would be making this suggestion to this Vet ASAP, And if they tell you that Nebulization is not a good idea, I'd insist upon it, or insist that they have a phone-consult with a Certified Avian Vet immediately and ask their opinion, because I guarantee that they'll recommend Nebulization...
Thanks, again. I just dumped out the water that had the Probiotics. And I will insist on the nebulizer treatment. I was told I'd get a call tomorrow or Friday( hopefully tomorrow) and I have one question about infections in birds. About how long can a bird go on when they have an infection like this? I wouldn't imagine long since they're delicate. She hasn't improved. She's sleeping almost all day.

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Re: Did my cockatiel have a seizure?

Come on Coco!! You're a fighter!!! Saying tons of prayers for her,and for you Jose!!




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Re: Did my cockatiel have a seizure?

It's very hard to answer that question Jose, but if she's sleeping all day long then chances are not long...At this point the Nebulizer is almost a must. She's got some type of very nasty URI/lung infection, and obviously Doxycycline is not the correct medication for it. It may be Fungal, it may be a Bacteria that Doxy doesn't treat, it may be something like Aspergilliosis, but they need to get those cultures back and get her on the Nebulizer...I'd also hope at this point that they would probably give her an injection of the proper medication immediately, and then start the Nebulization of the correct med immediately...I'm so sorry this is happening, this could have been prevented weeks ago if the first vet would have simply taken a culture...

Keep him warm, and try to get him to take some fluids by-mouth if at all possible. If he hasn't been eating or drinking at all, they may want to give her some subcutaneous fluids and possibly tube-feed her once..However, I don't know if I would admit her to the hospital or not, as that usually doesn't end well when they are this bad due to the stress of the hospital and being away from you. That's why doing the Nebulizer treatments at home is best...Keep us posted...
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It's very hard to answer that question Jose, but if she's sleeping all day long then chances are not long...At this point the Nebulizer is almost a must. She's got some type of very nasty URI/lung infection, and obviously Doxycycline is not the correct medication for it. It may be Fungal, it may be a Bacteria that Doxy doesn't treat, it may be something like Aspergilliosis, but they need to get those cultures back and get her on the Nebulizer...I'd also hope at this point that they would probably give her an injection of the proper medication immediately, and then start the Nebulization of the correct med immediately...I'm so sorry this is happening, this could have been prevented weeks ago if the first vet would have simply taken a culture...

Keep him warm, and try to get him to take some fluids by-mouth if at all possible. If he hasn't been eating or drinking at all, they may want to give her some subcutaneous fluids and possibly tube-feed her once..However, I don't know if I would admit her to the hospital or not, as that usually doesn't end well when they are this bad due to the stress of the hospital and being away from you. That's why doing the Nebulizer treatments at home is best...Keep us posted...
Thank you. She still eats, but I don't know if it's enough. I saw her eat 3 times yesterday. I haven't seen her drink though. I did call to ask about the nebulizer treatment. I had to leave a message. Thank you for pointing out that hospitalization isn't a good option. I was considering it until now. However, wouldn't she be stressed at home by me? I mean I've tried taming her, but haven't been able to. The closest I've gotten to taming her is feeding her millet without her getting scared. As she is right now, she takes about a 5 minute break before she eats when she climbs onto the dish. However, she still says good night when I cover the cage. But she sleeps all day.
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Re: Did my cockatiel have a seizure?

It's a judgement call...Honestly, if she were to be admitted to an animal hospital, they would simply keep her in a heated-incubator/cage, feed her normally if she's still eating on her own (it's not uncommon for you to not see her drink water, they don't drink much to begin with, and it's easy to miss, if she's eating then she's also most-likely drinking too), they'd give her a Nebulizer treatment each day if they are willing to do it, and that's it...If she's home with you she's in her own cage (her "safe-space"), she's not around a bunch of people she doesn't know, there aren't a bunch of other animals around making noises and scaring her, etc. So even though she's not exactly tame, being in a totally new and weird, scary environment with people she's never seen before, and being out of her own cage and in a new one is very stressful to any bird, especially one who is already sick...And there is no reason that you can't do the Nebulizer treatments at home, and take her in for an injection if needed...
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