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Old 04-15-2019, 04:55 PM
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Yep!
The goal is to manipulate his behavior by the attention/consequences you provide. He will of course be trying to do the same to you.
I'll leave the advice to my friends here, since my bird is a bully and a terror, and pretty much runs my house... and I apparently enjoy it.


May I add some thoughts about expectations? I hope I don't sound preach-y. I also want to make it clear that I completely support all the great advice on training!
My bird is "difficult", and so I have expressed these thoughts so often that I made a cut-and-paste (below). Apologies to those of you who've heard it a zillion times!


As time goes by, you'll find that you can determine just how much you'll put up with. By all means, do try all the great advice you'll get here (like all the above), but I would say that it's okay to compromise a bit in the long run. Your bird is so so so new... most folks think it takes months for a bird to settle in, so this really is a good time to learn and practice the good stuff. You were right about that, and very right to reach out!

Personally, I have reduced biting to almost zero over the years I've spent with the Rickeybird... and a lot of that has involved compromise. I don't do stuff that gets me bitten. Some will say I have let him get away with too much, and that's a fair criticism, but, well... I'm okay with it. I don't do stuff that makes him mad... I don't touch others when he's out; I rarely try to get him to step up onto my hand first. Hand-held perch first, then hand. In some ways, I'm disappointed/embarassed at having such a little monster for a pet, but he is what he is. I ALWAYS wear my hair down when he's on my shoulder, so all he can bite is hair. Really, I don't involve hands much... he doesn't like them. He seems to think the real ME is my head, perched on a weird moveable tree with questionable appendages.

Since he's fully flighted, the ONLY way I get him into the cage is to toss a chile pepper in and he flaps in after it. So food reward is a necessity for me. Time-out doesn't exist in the Rb's kingdom.

I have had some success with using the "earthquake" technique for biting. When he bites, give your hand a swift shake... it should make him let go. The idea... every time he bites, a mysterious earthquske shakes him up. Some people feel this is mean and/or engenders lack of trust. The same can work for clothes biting... give your shoulder a shake, or jump! For me, it has helped.
But please... listen to and try all the good advice you'll get here.
Don't compromise until you know you've done your best. Then just accept and love whatever/whoever your bird turns out to be.

My Rickeybird is in some ways kind of a worse-case scenario, but we have it all worked out between the two of us. Parrots run the gamut (just like people) of temperament and mental stability/brain chemistry. Like the proverbial box of chocolates... ya never know what you're gonna get.
Parrot-owners usually wind up determining their own personal comfort level with various behaviors.

Good luck, and good for you for reaching out.
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Old 04-15-2019, 07:22 PM
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Hi, welcome!
You can do this. Takes time patience, both of you learning to read each other. Lots of time together. You are two intelligent beings from different species. It's so rewarding when you become friends. Sometimes something outside the window they can see spooks them, try and see if there is a cause. Once there was a snake in the bush outside my birds window and man they screamed their heads off...
Good luck with your new buddy, I hope to read of your progress.
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Yep!
The goal is to manipulate his behavior by the attention/consequences you provide. He will of course be trying to do the same to you.
I'll leave the advice to my friends here, since my bird is a bully and a terror, and pretty much runs my house... and I apparently enjoy it.


May I add some thoughts about expectations? I hope I don't sound preach-y. I also want to make it clear that I completely support all the great advice on training!
My bird is "difficult", and so I have expressed these thoughts so often that I made a cut-and-paste (below). Apologies to those of you who've heard it a zillion times!


As time goes by, you'll find that you can determine just how much you'll put up with. By all means, do try all the great advice you'll get here (like all the above), but I would say that it's okay to compromise a bit in the long run. Your bird is so so so new... most folks think it takes months for a bird to settle in, so this really is a good time to learn and practice the good stuff. You were right about that, and very right to reach out!

Personally, I have reduced biting to almost zero over the years I've spent with the Rickeybird... and a lot of that has involved compromise. I don't do stuff that gets me bitten. Some will say I have let him get away with too much, and that's a fair criticism, but, well... I'm okay with it. I don't do stuff that makes him mad... I don't touch others when he's out; I rarely try to get him to step up onto my hand first. Hand-held perch first, then hand. In some ways, I'm disappointed/embarassed at having such a little monster for a pet, but he is what he is. I ALWAYS wear my hair down when he's on my shoulder, so all he can bite is hair. Really, I don't involve hands much... he doesn't like them. He seems to think the real ME is my head, perched on a weird moveable tree with questionable appendages.

Since he's fully flighted, the ONLY way I get him into the cage is to toss a chile pepper in and he flaps in after it. So food reward is a necessity for me. Time-out doesn't exist in the Rb's kingdom.

I have had some success with using the "earthquake" technique for biting. When he bites, give your hand a swift shake... it should make him let go. The idea... every time he bites, a mysterious earthquske shakes him up. Some people feel this is mean and/or engenders lack of trust. The same can work for clothes biting... give your shoulder a shake, or jump! For me, it has helped.
But please... listen to and try all the good advice you'll get here.
Don't compromise until you know you've done your best. Then just accept and love whatever/whoever your bird turns out to be.

My Rickeybird is in some ways kind of a worse-case scenario, but we have it all worked out between the two of us. Parrots run the gamut (just like people) of temperament and mental stability/brain chemistry. Like the proverbial box of chocolates... ya never know what you're gonna get.
Parrot-owners usually wind up determining their own personal comfort level with various behaviors.

Good luck, and good for you for reaching out.
I see.Well he is so hard to read.Chages mind for a second.He is screaming the whole morning.Most of the time wheb im close to him he stops.Should i try to stick with him?One friend of mine told me that he may be lonely or hormonal so getting another parrot or putting blanked on the cage until he calms are solutions?I dont feel getting other bird or covering him feels good for him.
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Old 04-17-2019, 03:22 AM
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Re: Please help

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I see.Well he is so hard to read.Chages mind for a second.He is screaming the whole morning.Most of the time wheb im close to him he stops.Should i try to stick with him?One friend of mine told me that he may be lonely or hormonal so getting another parrot or putting blanked on the cage until he calms are solutions?I dont feel getting other bird or covering him feels good for him.
Your gut feeling is correct. Birds are like people - they don't necessarily get along immediately or ever. And covering is only really helpful if it's sleeptime for them.

It's really just time and slowly getting to know each other. What really helps at the start is setting a routine. Your little guy feels insecure beyond belief - everything is new. So if you keep with the same hours and behaviours (set sleep hours, set meal times, set words/phrases you use when you do something).

For some birds (and people), hearing a narration of what you're going to do helps.

It could be something as simple as:
"You wanna come out?" when you're approaching to open his cage door
"Let's eat now" when you're going to feed him

Then with the screaming, see if you can't replace it with something else he knows how to say. For us, Cairo came to us only being able to say, "hello." So we would ignore whenever he squawked, but the moment he said, "hello," we would rush over and give him positive attention (chattering away at him, giving him a treat, etc). He quickly replaced his attention grabbing screaming with "hello" instead. (We've now updated it to a whistle.)

And just keep up the good work of reassuring him with patience and treats.

1 month is short in bird time - they're not like some dogs who can be immediately friendly with almost anyone. Think of them more like some rabbits, who are often shy and aloof at first. Better yet, think of them as a little toddler.

A toddler isn't confident about who you are to him - are you still 'stranger danger', how can you be 'family' or 'parent' if he doesn't really know you? It'll take time, but it'll be incredibly rewarding.

Just keep your interactions with him positive, and yes, sometimes that means constantly bribery at the start. Cairo loved my partner and didn't care to deal much with me at the start. But after a few months, he prefers me for most things, including recall
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I see.Well he is so hard to read.Chages mind for a second.He is screaming the whole morning.Most of the time wheb im close to him he stops.Should i try to stick with him?One friend of mine told me that he may be lonely or hormonal so getting another parrot or putting blanked on the cage until he calms are solutions?I dont feel getting other bird or covering him feels good for him.
Your gut feeling is correct. Birds are like people - they don't necessarily get along immediately or ever. And covering is only really helpful if it's sleeptime for them.

It's really just time and slowly getting to know each other. What really helps at the start is setting a routine. Your little guy feels insecure beyond belief - everything is new. So if you keep with the same hours and behaviours (set sleep hours, set meal times, set words/phrases you use when you do something).

For some birds (and people), hearing a narration of what you're going to do helps.

It could be something as simple as:
"You wanna come out?" when you're approaching to open his cage door
"Let's eat now" when you're going to feed him

Then with the screaming, see if you can't replace it with something else he knows how to say. For us, Cairo came to us only being able to say, "hello." So we would ignore whenever he squawked, but the moment he said, "hello," we would rush over and give him positive attention (chattering away at him, giving him a treat, etc). He quickly replaced his attention grabbing screaming with "hello" instead. (We've now updated it to a whistle.)

And just keep up the good work of reassuring him with patience and treats.

1 month is short in bird time - they're not like some dogs who can be immediately friendly with almost anyone. Think of them more like some rabbits, who are often shy and aloof at first. Better yet, think of them as a little toddler.

A toddler isn't confident about who you are to him - are you still 'stranger danger', how can you be 'family' or 'parent' if he doesn't really know you? It'll take time, but it'll be incredibly rewarding.

Just keep your interactions with him positive, and yes, sometimes that means constantly bribery at the start. Cairo loved my partner and didn't care to deal much with me at the start. But after a few months, he prefers me for most things, including recall
Yes,yes! I was saying the same.... to have a cockatiel is like having a 2 years old .I found why he screams all the time in the morning.He wants me to be near him.It's not out of flustration or because he is mad of me. He just need more attention.The problem is I cant stay all day home and I highly doubt that another bird will make it, because he bonded with me on the 3rd day after getting him out of the pet shop. I made him land on my hand,eat from it and also thought him to come over my shoulder when snaping with fingers.I have a theory that the other parrot was abusive over him, because he slept in his food for 2-3 days literally...
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I see.Well he is so hard to read.Chages mind for a second.He is screaming the whole morning.Most of the time wheb im close to him he stops.Should i try to stick with him?One friend of mine told me that he may be lonely or hormonal so getting another parrot or putting blanked on the cage until he calms are solutions?I dont feel getting other bird or covering him feels good for him.
Your gut feeling is correct. Birds are like people - they don't necessarily get along immediately or ever. And covering is only really helpful if it's sleeptime for them.

It's really just time and slowly getting to know each other. What really helps at the start is setting a routine. Your little guy feels insecure beyond belief - everything is new. So if you keep with the same hours and behaviours (set sleep hours, set meal times, set words/phrases you use when you do something).

For some birds (and people), hearing a narration of what you're going to do helps.

It could be something as simple as:
"You wanna come out?" when you're approaching to open his cage door
"Let's eat now" when you're going to feed him

Then with the screaming, see if you can't replace it with something else he knows how to say. For us, Cairo came to us only being able to say, "hello." So we would ignore whenever he squawked, but the moment he said, "hello," we would rush over and give him positive attention (chattering away at him, giving him a treat, etc). He quickly replaced his attention grabbing screaming with "hello" instead. (We've now updated it to a whistle.)

And just keep up the good work of reassuring him with patience and treats.

1 month is short in bird time - they're not like some dogs who can be immediately friendly with almost anyone. Think of them more like some rabbits, who are often shy and aloof at first. Better yet, think of them as a little toddler.

A toddler isn't confident about who you are to him - are you still 'stranger danger', how can you be 'family' or 'parent' if he doesn't really know you? It'll take time, but it'll be incredibly rewarding.

Just keep your interactions with him positive, and yes, sometimes that means constantly bribery at the start. Cairo loved my partner and didn't care to deal much with me at the start. But after a few months, he prefers me for most things, including recall
Yes,yes! I was saying the same.... to have a cockatiel is like having a 2 years old .I found why he screams all the time in the morning.He wants me to be near him.It's not out of flustration or because he is mad of me. He just need more attention.The problem is I cant stay all day home and I highly doubt that another bird will make it, because he bonded with me on the 3rd day after getting him out of the pet shop. I made him land on my hand,eat from it and also thought him to come over my shoulder when snaping with fingers.I have a theory that the other parrot was abusive over him, because he slept in his food for 2-3 days literally...
Never get a bird for a bird and never cover a bird's cage unless it is bed-time. Smart of you not to listen to your friend.
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Re: Please help

Yes...what Noodles said! NEVER get another bird to keep your bird company! What if they don't get along? And THAT happens ALOT! ONLY get another bird if YOU want another one! That will mean a separate cage,the new bird will need to be quarantined for at least 30 days to determine if it is healthy. And you will have to take it easy when introducing the new guy/girl to the one you have, There are zero quarantees that the will get along,never mind LIKE each other enough to be kept in the same cage.
When people say "oh he's lonely" or "oh he needs a friend" that is HOGWASH! Many people have just one parrot and everything is fine.
Just give your new guy time...he will settle down. Cockatiels are wonderful little creatures that can bring many years of love and happiness and entertainment.
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Update to the topic!!!

I found that as much as he was afraid he needed more attention.One I decided to take a day off and play with him.The result was that he stopped screaming, started to sing everyday and even let me pet him.I even managed to clean him with water sprayer.I feel really lucky with that bird.I don't regret even a moment for my decision to take exactly him out of the store!At first I was very nervous that he is not young bird (already mature) and not hand fed so it will take him very long time to get along with us.Still i managed to befriend him for 3 days only and despite all the adjustments from both sides.I'm so happy that I have that little pet friend!!!Thank you all for the nice responses!It's really helpful for a person who never had,but wanted so much to have a parrot!!!
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