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Ashckroft

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I bought cockatiel from the pet shop month ago.I managed to make him come , sit on my shoulder even eat a bit from my hand.But I made the mistake to move him with his cage, because my girlfriend started cooking in multy cooker which is mostly teflon and I was consurned for him.After that he started sqwacking loud with crest down and his body and head straight up.
My girlfriend told me that hes fine when im not around.
I really dont know how to proceed.He is scared from me a lot I think.Any suggestions will be more than welcome!
 

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1- Tell your girlfriend she cannot cook with teflon! It is not okay....it is very risky. Seriously---get rid of it.
2- Start back at the basics by doing quiet things around the bird to build trust, but don't force physical contact etc.
 

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You absolutely CANNOT USE ANYTHING WITH TEFLON OR ANY OTHER NON-STICK COATINGS THAT CONTAIN ANY OF THE PERFLUORINATED-COMPOUNDS IN THEM, SUCH AS PFOA, PTFE, ETC. WHILE YOUR BIRD IS ANYWHERE IN THE SAME HOUSE. PERIOD.

Yes, I'm screaming at you because as Noodles alreay stated above, you are going to kill your bird, it's not at all okay, and your girlfriend needs to realize this. It doesn't matter if she is cooking in the kitchen and your bird is on a totally different floor behind a shut-door, all it takes is one whiff of the off-gassed fumes under the door, through ventilation, etc. and your bird will die...And they die instantly, there's nothing you can do to help them or save them...We've had dozens and dozens of stories on here of people having their birds down in their basement behind a closed-door, 2 floors away from where they were cooking with Teflon-coated pots/pans, a George Foreman Grill (they are ALL deadly), a Toaster Oven, Convection Oven, an electric or non-electric Griddle, etc., or they where they were running a Space-Heater, an Air-Purifier, etc., and their birds suddenly gasping for air, they all ran their birds outside for air immediately, and their birds all drop over dead within a minute or two of them breathing the fumes in...Many people have lost ALL OF THEIR BIRDS AT ONE TIME...So your girlfriend and yourself both need to take an inventory of your home, and if you have ANYTHING that you're not sure is 100% safe, you need to throw it away and buy a safe replacement with no Teflon and no Perfluorinated-Compounds...
(It's not just "Teflon", Teflon is actually a brand-name of a non-stick coating that contains Perfluorinated Compounds...The fact is that ANY Cookware, Bakeware, or small appliances (as well as any "Self-Cleaning functions on your regular stove/oven) that contain any coatings inside or outside of them that contain any of the dozens of Perflourinated-Compounds WILL kill your Cockatiel instantly...No joke.

So you need to talk to your girlfriend about this and try to explain how very serious this is, and how your bird cannot be inside the house anywhere if she keeps cooking with that "multi-cooker" or anything else that isn't safe...Usually the main culprits in most homes are:

#1). Pots and Pans with a non-stick coating that contain Perfluorinated-Compounds or a Teflon brand-name non-stick coating (You need to use ONLY Ceramic non-stick, Cast-Iron, Stainless-Steel, or real Copper Pots and Pans)

#2) Small Kitchen Appliances: Most-all of the smaller kitchen appliances are not at all safe to use in a home with a bird, unfortunately. You always have to call the manufacturer of any small-appliance you are looking to buy, give them the model name and model# and confirm with them that the appliance is safe or not safe BEFORE you buy it...The most common killer small-appliances include Deep-Fryers, Air-Fryers, Crockpots, Convection-Ovens, Toaster-Ovens, Toasters, electric Griddles, Griddles that you set on top of the stove and are no electric, ALL George-Foreman Grills (have killed many, many birds), Microwaves, Coffee-makers, etc.

#3) The Self-Cleaning function on regular stoves/ovens: You just simply cannot run the Self-Cleaning function on your stove/oven. Period. You have to just scrub the inside of your oven by hand.

$4). Other Small-Appliances in the Home: Most people don't think about any appliances being lethal to their birds unless they're in the kitchen, but that's totally untrue, and many small-appliances have killed birds in homes...The most common household-appliances that kill birds are any types of Space-Heaters, any types of Air-Purifiers, Diffusers, HAIR BLOW-DRYERS (this is a big one that people don't usually thin about at all)...

****A little story for you and your girlfriend so you understand just how serious this issue is, and how dangerous it is to use any of these things with your bird anywhere inside of the house...I know of a married couple in their 50's who had been parrot-breeders for over 20 years, with the main species that they bred and hand-raised/hand-fed being Congo African Greys, different Macaw species, and Cockatiels...They also had several pet parrots that they had brought home as just-weaned babies and who were now in their 30's, including a 32 year-old Greenwing Macaw...They also had a huge indoor-aviary where their breeding Cockatiels lived...One Sunday morning they were in their kitchen getting breakfast for themselves and all the birds, and they had 4 Brooders sitting on their kitchen counter, each one holding a baby Congo African Grey that they were hand-feeding and that were only weeks old...Suddenly one of their pet Cockatiels who was flying downstairs to them for breakfast literally dropped out of the air and hit the floor...dead. They were horrified and very upset, but then all of their breeding-Cockatiels inside of the indoor-aviary in the next room started screaming and crying, so they ran into the other room and suddenly all of their Cocatiels started dropping over dead...They had no idea what was going on, they knew all about Teflon and Perfluorinated-Compounds, and had long ago thrown away any harful cookware and appliances and replaced them...Suddenly they heard their 32 year-old Macaw, WHO WAS DOWNSTAIRS IN THEIR FINISHED BASEMENT BEHIND A CLOSED, LATCHED DOOR, crying and screaming...The husband ran downstairs and carried back upstairs a dead Macaw, and informed his wife that their Cockatoo was also dead in the basement...They started running the baby CAG's in the Brooders outside, and then running any remaining, live birds outside as quickly as they could...In the end they lost over 40 parrots total (I believe it was a total of 43), including all 12 of their breeding Cockatiels, all 4 of the baby CAG's, their 32 year-old Macaw, and a 20+ year-old Cockatoo..And ALL of their birds that died were in different rooms or on different floors than the cause except for the 4 baby CAG's in the brooders...

They quickly figured out what the cause was...They had purchased a very small space-heater the week before, and that Sunday morning the husband had finally plugged it in to use it for the first time, he had plugged it in in their living room, which was connected to their kitchen...They had never thought about any other small appliances like this being harmful, only the kitchen appliances and cookware...The Space-Heater contained a coating inside of it that prevented the internal wiring from heating-up, and that coating contained PFOA, PTFE, and other Perfluorinated-Compounds...And they lost most-all of their Flock, with the only surviving birds being their Macaw breeders, who were located in a large aviary that was actually not inside of the house, but on a screened-in porch attached to the house but outside and behind their back-door. They were the only birds that weren't killed, including the ones that were down in the basement and in back-bedrooms behind closed-doors...

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I'm chemical engineer.I know how dangerous is for him that why we removed everything that has been coated with it.Thats why I rushed so fast and he got scared.About the device ..it's completely sealed and that point far far from the cage at the end of the other room on very well ventilated space.I just paniced a lot,because it's my first cockatiel and im not used to avians.I had various of pets before him ,but never an actual parrot.I love those animals the most.She knows also I've explained all of the things I've learned for those birds.Sadly she had no idea since it was brand new.Anyway as I said it wasn't even close to him my reactions were a bit over the roof and i scared him very very much.Now he is hissing me and squacking all day.I'm trying to reach him step by step from the begining ,but no use...
 
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Just take you time to get to know each other.
A month is a very short time to build a friendship on.
I think it is great your bird already comes to you and takes treats from your hands! :)



I am not fluent in the nuances of cockatielbehaviour/ communications, but a lot of members are.. they will find this!


(and there soooo many do's and dont's to parrotkeeping...no worries you will catch up soon enough!)
 

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Thank you!!!Well he is charming little bird. I managed befriend him on the third day home despite that he is more than a year old male bird rised at a zoostore.I picked him up,because he was frighten and shy -let me to believe he was mistreated and abused from the other cockatiel. Music,food and imitating his songs helped me a lot. But now I just can't get to him.It's like ... I feel bad for him screaming and so i go near and he gets more agitated,BUT EVEN SO he still eats from food i give to him and sit on my shoulder....I'm really confused
 

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If your cockatiel is eating food you offer him by hand and sits on your shoulder that’s great! Every bird is different, yours may just be afraid of hands so you may need to be content with this level of interaction for the time being. I once had a female cockatiel who wanted nothing to do with me for years, then suddenly one day it was like a switch flicked on in her brain and virtually overnight she became the sweetest cuddliest bird imaginable. But it did literally take about 2 or 3 years for this to happen and it was a case of my just being happy for her to wait until she made up her own mind, with no guarantee that she ever would! Be patient and love your little birdie whichever way he decides to go :)
 
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Thanks people!I noticed that he is making some strange calls at around 10 am every day. Few people i talked to said that their birds have the sam
e behaviour for the same period of time.Could that be hormonal?I saw him today flying very stressed hitting the cage and walls in the room. Tried to copy his songs and he listened singing back.But from time to time banging the cage with beak.Im starting to believe that he is thinking of me as a mating partner ,because when im not around my gf told me he acts ok and calm.Could that be?
 
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Yep!
The goal is to manipulate his behavior by the attention/consequences you provide. He will of course be trying to do the same to you.
I'll leave the advice to my friends here, since my bird is a bully and a terror, and pretty much runs my house... and I apparently enjoy it.
:)

May I add some thoughts about expectations? I hope I don't sound preach-y. I also want to make it clear that I completely support all the great advice on training!
My bird is "difficult", and so I have expressed these thoughts so often that I made a cut-and-paste (below). Apologies to those of you who've heard it a zillion times!


As time goes by, you'll find that you can determine just how much you'll put up with. By all means, do try all the great advice you'll get here (like all the above), but I would say that it's okay to compromise a bit in the long run. Your bird is so so so new... most folks think it takes months for a bird to settle in, so this really is a good time to learn and practice the good stuff. You were right about that, and very right to reach out!

Personally, I have reduced biting to almost zero over the years I've spent with the Rickeybird... and a lot of that has involved compromise. I don't do stuff that gets me bitten. Some will say I have let him get away with too much, and that's a fair criticism, but, well... I'm okay with it. I don't do stuff that makes him mad... I don't touch others when he's out; I rarely try to get him to step up onto my hand first. Hand-held perch first, then hand. In some ways, I'm disappointed/embarassed at having such a little monster for a pet, but he is what he is. I ALWAYS wear my hair down when he's on my shoulder, so all he can bite is hair. Really, I don't involve hands much... he doesn't like them. He seems to think the real ME is my head, perched on a weird moveable tree with questionable appendages.

Since he's fully flighted, the ONLY way I get him into the cage is to toss a chile pepper in and he flaps in after it. So food reward is a necessity for me. Time-out doesn't exist in the Rb's kingdom.

I have had some success with using the "earthquake" technique for biting. When he bites, give your hand a swift shake... it should make him let go. The idea... every time he bites, a mysterious earthquske shakes him up. Some people feel this is mean and/or engenders lack of trust. The same can work for clothes biting... give your shoulder a shake, or jump! For me, it has helped.
But please... listen to and try all the good advice you'll get here.
Don't compromise until you know you've done your best. Then just accept and love whatever/whoever your bird turns out to be.

My Rickeybird is in some ways kind of a worse-case scenario, but we have it all worked out between the two of us. Parrots run the gamut (just like people) of temperament and mental stability/brain chemistry. Like the proverbial box of chocolates... ya never know what you're gonna get.
Parrot-owners usually wind up determining their own personal comfort level with various behaviors.

Good luck, and good for you for reaching out.
 
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Hi, welcome!
You can do this. :) Takes time patience, both of you learning to read each other. Lots of time together. You are two intelligent beings from different species. It's so rewarding when you become friends. Sometimes something outside the window they can see spooks them, try and see if there is a cause. Once there was a snake in the bush outside my birds window and man they screamed their heads off...
Good luck with your new buddy, I hope to read of your progress.
 
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Yep!
The goal is to manipulate his behavior by the attention/consequences you provide. He will of course be trying to do the same to you.
I'll leave the advice to my friends here, since my bird is a bully and a terror, and pretty much runs my house... and I apparently enjoy it.
:)

May I add some thoughts about expectations? I hope I don't sound preach-y. I also want to make it clear that I completely support all the great advice on training!
My bird is "difficult", and so I have expressed these thoughts so often that I made a cut-and-paste (below). Apologies to those of you who've heard it a zillion times!


As time goes by, you'll find that you can determine just how much you'll put up with. By all means, do try all the great advice you'll get here (like all the above), but I would say that it's okay to compromise a bit in the long run. Your bird is so so so new... most folks think it takes months for a bird to settle in, so this really is a good time to learn and practice the good stuff. You were right about that, and very right to reach out!

Personally, I have reduced biting to almost zero over the years I've spent with the Rickeybird... and a lot of that has involved compromise. I don't do stuff that gets me bitten. Some will say I have let him get away with too much, and that's a fair criticism, but, well... I'm okay with it. I don't do stuff that makes him mad... I don't touch others when he's out; I rarely try to get him to step up onto my hand first. Hand-held perch first, then hand. In some ways, I'm disappointed/embarassed at having such a little monster for a pet, but he is what he is. I ALWAYS wear my hair down when he's on my shoulder, so all he can bite is hair. Really, I don't involve hands much... he doesn't like them. He seems to think the real ME is my head, perched on a weird moveable tree with questionable appendages.

Since he's fully flighted, the ONLY way I get him into the cage is to toss a chile pepper in and he flaps in after it. So food reward is a necessity for me. Time-out doesn't exist in the Rb's kingdom.

I have had some success with using the "earthquake" technique for biting. When he bites, give your hand a swift shake... it should make him let go. The idea... every time he bites, a mysterious earthquske shakes him up. Some people feel this is mean and/or engenders lack of trust. The same can work for clothes biting... give your shoulder a shake, or jump! For me, it has helped.
But please... listen to and try all the good advice you'll get here.
Don't compromise until you know you've done your best. Then just accept and love whatever/whoever your bird turns out to be.

My Rickeybird is in some ways kind of a worse-case scenario, but we have it all worked out between the two of us. Parrots run the gamut (just like people) of temperament and mental stability/brain chemistry. Like the proverbial box of chocolates... ya never know what you're gonna get.
Parrot-owners usually wind up determining their own personal comfort level with various behaviors.

Good luck, and good for you for reaching out.

I see.Well he is so hard to read.Chages mind for a second.He is screaming the whole morning.Most of the time wheb im close to him he stops.Should i try to stick with him?One friend of mine told me that he may be lonely or hormonal so getting another parrot or putting blanked on the cage until he calms are solutions?I dont feel getting other bird or covering him feels good for him.
 

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I see.Well he is so hard to read.Chages mind for a second.He is screaming the whole morning.Most of the time wheb im close to him he stops.Should i try to stick with him?One friend of mine told me that he may be lonely or hormonal so getting another parrot or putting blanked on the cage until he calms are solutions?I dont feel getting other bird or covering him feels good for him.

Your gut feeling is correct. Birds are like people - they don't necessarily get along immediately or ever. And covering is only really helpful if it's sleeptime for them.

It's really just time and slowly getting to know each other. What really helps at the start is setting a routine. Your little guy feels insecure beyond belief - everything is new. So if you keep with the same hours and behaviours (set sleep hours, set meal times, set words/phrases you use when you do something).

For some birds (and people), hearing a narration of what you're going to do helps.

It could be something as simple as:
"You wanna come out?" when you're approaching to open his cage door
"Let's eat now" when you're going to feed him

Then with the screaming, see if you can't replace it with something else he knows how to say. For us, Cairo came to us only being able to say, "hello." So we would ignore whenever he squawked, but the moment he said, "hello," we would rush over and give him positive attention (chattering away at him, giving him a treat, etc). He quickly replaced his attention grabbing screaming with "hello" instead. (We've now updated it to a whistle.)

And just keep up the good work of reassuring him with patience and treats.

1 month is short in bird time - they're not like some dogs who can be immediately friendly with almost anyone. Think of them more like some rabbits, who are often shy and aloof at first. Better yet, think of them as a little toddler.

A toddler isn't confident about who you are to him - are you still 'stranger danger', how can you be 'family' or 'parent' if he doesn't really know you? It'll take time, but it'll be incredibly rewarding.

Just keep your interactions with him positive, and yes, sometimes that means constantly bribery at the start. Cairo loved my partner and didn't care to deal much with me at the start. But after a few months, he prefers me for most things, including recall :p
 
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I see.Well he is so hard to read.Chages mind for a second.He is screaming the whole morning.Most of the time wheb im close to him he stops.Should i try to stick with him?One friend of mine told me that he may be lonely or hormonal so getting another parrot or putting blanked on the cage until he calms are solutions?I dont feel getting other bird or covering him feels good for him.

Your gut feeling is correct. Birds are like people - they don't necessarily get along immediately or ever. And covering is only really helpful if it's sleeptime for them.

It's really just time and slowly getting to know each other. What really helps at the start is setting a routine. Your little guy feels insecure beyond belief - everything is new. So if you keep with the same hours and behaviours (set sleep hours, set meal times, set words/phrases you use when you do something).

For some birds (and people), hearing a narration of what you're going to do helps.

It could be something as simple as:
"You wanna come out?" when you're approaching to open his cage door
"Let's eat now" when you're going to feed him

Then with the screaming, see if you can't replace it with something else he knows how to say. For us, Cairo came to us only being able to say, "hello." So we would ignore whenever he squawked, but the moment he said, "hello," we would rush over and give him positive attention (chattering away at him, giving him a treat, etc). He quickly replaced his attention grabbing screaming with "hello" instead. (We've now updated it to a whistle.)

And just keep up the good work of reassuring him with patience and treats.

1 month is short in bird time - they're not like some dogs who can be immediately friendly with almost anyone. Think of them more like some rabbits, who are often shy and aloof at first. Better yet, think of them as a little toddler.

A toddler isn't confident about who you are to him - are you still 'stranger danger', how can you be 'family' or 'parent' if he doesn't really know you? It'll take time, but it'll be incredibly rewarding.

Just keep your interactions with him positive, and yes, sometimes that means constantly bribery at the start. Cairo loved my partner and didn't care to deal much with me at the start. But after a few months, he prefers me for most things, including recall :p

Yes,yes! I was saying the same.... to have a cockatiel is like having a 2 years old :D .I found why he screams all the time in the morning.He wants me to be near him.It's not out of flustration or because he is mad of me. He just need more attention.The problem is I cant stay all day home and I highly doubt that another bird will make it, because he bonded with me on the 3rd day after getting him out of the pet shop. I made him land on my hand,eat from it and also thought him to come over my shoulder when snaping with fingers.I have a theory that the other parrot was abusive over him, because he slept in his food for 2-3 days literally...
 

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I see.Well he is so hard to read.Chages mind for a second.He is screaming the whole morning.Most of the time wheb im close to him he stops.Should i try to stick with him?One friend of mine told me that he may be lonely or hormonal so getting another parrot or putting blanked on the cage until he calms are solutions?I dont feel getting other bird or covering him feels good for him.

Your gut feeling is correct. Birds are like people - they don't necessarily get along immediately or ever. And covering is only really helpful if it's sleeptime for them.

It's really just time and slowly getting to know each other. What really helps at the start is setting a routine. Your little guy feels insecure beyond belief - everything is new. So if you keep with the same hours and behaviours (set sleep hours, set meal times, set words/phrases you use when you do something).

For some birds (and people), hearing a narration of what you're going to do helps.

It could be something as simple as:
"You wanna come out?" when you're approaching to open his cage door
"Let's eat now" when you're going to feed him

Then with the screaming, see if you can't replace it with something else he knows how to say. For us, Cairo came to us only being able to say, "hello." So we would ignore whenever he squawked, but the moment he said, "hello," we would rush over and give him positive attention (chattering away at him, giving him a treat, etc). He quickly replaced his attention grabbing screaming with "hello" instead. (We've now updated it to a whistle.)

And just keep up the good work of reassuring him with patience and treats.

1 month is short in bird time - they're not like some dogs who can be immediately friendly with almost anyone. Think of them more like some rabbits, who are often shy and aloof at first. Better yet, think of them as a little toddler.

A toddler isn't confident about who you are to him - are you still 'stranger danger', how can you be 'family' or 'parent' if he doesn't really know you? It'll take time, but it'll be incredibly rewarding.

Just keep your interactions with him positive, and yes, sometimes that means constantly bribery at the start. Cairo loved my partner and didn't care to deal much with me at the start. But after a few months, he prefers me for most things, including recall :p

Yes,yes! I was saying the same.... to have a cockatiel is like having a 2 years old :D .I found why he screams all the time in the morning.He wants me to be near him.It's not out of flustration or because he is mad of me. He just need more attention.The problem is I cant stay all day home and I highly doubt that another bird will make it, because he bonded with me on the 3rd day after getting him out of the pet shop. I made him land on my hand,eat from it and also thought him to come over my shoulder when snaping with fingers.I have a theory that the other parrot was abusive over him, because he slept in his food for 2-3 days literally...

Never get a bird for a bird and never cover a bird's cage unless it is bed-time. Smart of you not to listen to your friend.
 

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Yes...what Noodles said! NEVER get another bird to keep your bird company! What if they don't get along? And THAT happens ALOT! ONLY get another bird if YOU want another one! That will mean a separate cage,the new bird will need to be quarantined for at least 30 days to determine if it is healthy. And you will have to take it easy when introducing the new guy/girl to the one you have, There are zero quarantees that the will get along,never mind LIKE each other enough to be kept in the same cage.
When people say "oh he's lonely" or "oh he needs a friend" that is HOGWASH! Many people have just one parrot and everything is fine.
Just give your new guy time...he will settle down. Cockatiels are wonderful little creatures that can bring many years of love and happiness and entertainment.
I love my little boy BB! :D


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I found that as much as he was afraid he needed more attention.One I decided to take a day off and play with him.The result was that he stopped screaming, started to sing everyday and even let me pet him.I even managed to clean him with water sprayer.I feel really lucky with that bird.I don't regret even a moment for my decision to take exactly him out of the store!At first I was very nervous that he is not young bird (already mature) and not hand fed so it will take him very long time to get along with us.Still i managed to befriend him for 3 days only and despite all the adjustments from both sides.I'm so happy that I have that little pet friend!!!Thank you all for the nice responses!It's really helpful for a person who never had,but wanted so much to have a parrot!!!
 

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