Parrot Forum Header Left  
Go Back   Parrot Forum - Parrot Owner's Community > Species Specific > Cockatoos

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 04-25-2017, 02:40 PM
chris-md's Avatar
Senior Member
Parrots:
Parker - male Eclectus Aphrodite - red throated conure (RIP)
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Maryland - USA
Thanks: 1,302
Thanked 5,352 Times in 2,044 Posts
chris-md is on a distinguished road
Re: What to do for fly by attacks

Mark what is your approach for pluckers??
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to chris-md For This Useful Post:
Scott  (11-23-2018), trimblegirls (04-25-2017)
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 04-25-2017, 03:13 PM
Scott's Avatar
Super Moderator
Parrots:
Goffins: Gabby, Abby, Squeaky, Peanut, Popcorn / Citron: Alice / Eclectus: Angel /Timneh Grey: ET / Blue Fronted Amazon: Gonzo / RIP Gandalf and Big Bird, you are missed.
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: San Diego, California USA, Earth, Milky Way Galaxy
Thanks: 72,591
Thanked 36,683 Times in 13,222 Posts
Scott is on a distinguished road
Re: What to do for fly by attacks

Quote: Originally Posted by Leo1865 View Post
We got a couple Cockatoos a few months ago. When we first got them they were great with both my husband and myself. About a week or so after Chevy, the female decided she hates my husband. He has not done anything to her, she would lay with him and let him scratch her head before. Now if he comes in the room, or even hears his voice she fluffs all up and starts hissing. To make matters worse, if she is out of her cage she will dive bomb him and try to bite him. She waits till he is looking away and she swoops in for the kill, so to speak. I don't have any idea what changed. If my son comes over she is perfectly fine. My son is nervous because of what she does to my husband, but she is very sweet to him. I have not seen that behavior with anyone else.

I have been trying to get him to give her treats every time he see's her thinking that might tame her down some. But he is afraid she will bite him.

I'm thinking it is a jealousy thing going on, but I don't understand what prompted it. He works a lot so he is not around her a whole lot and I don't ignore her when he is around, thinking that she won't feel like he is taking me away from her. I'm lost what to do with them.

We also have a male which she is very bonded to, but she shows very little jealousy if I pay attention to him, she just usually tries to push him out of the way. We also have an African Grey and since we got the Cockatoo's has really bonded to my husband. The Grey is our Alpha in the house, he will chase the Cockatoo's from one cage to another just to mess with them. He has even went after Chevy if she starts go after my husband. Basically protecting him.

I know if he is in the house she can not be out of her cage if I am not right there to monitor.

Any suggestions on what I can do? Do you think she will ever turn around? I know some times birds will hate one sex over another, but I don't really think that is the case since she has never shown that kind of aggression towards anyone else.

Last night I stood in the kitchen near my husband, which is basically open to our living room, where their cages are. As soon as he would look away, she would fly towards him, and I would step in between, and back to her cage. Few minutes later, same thing. This continued until I put her in her cage. I did this just to see what she does if I am not there. My husband will not go into a room if she is loose because she will jump on him and bite him.

Help please, has anyone had this problem and was able to over come it?
What species of cockatoo are Chevy and Frenchie? While all of the white toos have similar characteristics, some are unique.

Your situation seems typical, a honeymoon followed by those active little minds dividing and conquering. I suspect your husband did nothing "wrong" but fell into the female's naughty list of pecking order. Dive bombing is unnerving and ought not be tolerated. I have a wild-caught male Goffin who does that once every few weeks and is swiftly netted and given a time-out in cage. Seems to work satisfactorily as he does not bite, just scrapes his talons across my head, but don't wish for him to escalate. So, you might try an immediate time-out for a few minutes - anything longer won't be perceived as punishment. Lots of other great advice given so far, but personally I'd leave the wing-clipping for very last.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 04-25-2017, 03:30 PM
RavensGryf's Avatar
Supporting Member
Parrots:
Red Bellied Parrot / Ruppell's Parrot / Bronze Winged Pionus / English Budgies/ Bourke's/ Princess of Wales
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Southern California
Thanks: 32,711
Thanked 24,163 Times in 9,693 Posts
RavensGryf is on a distinguished road
Re: What to do for fly by attacks

Quote: Originally Posted by itzjbean View Post
Quote: Originally Posted by RavensGryf View Post
I'm sure there can be different reasons for this, hormones, jealousy, etc. but in my experience it was a clear act of defiance and disrespect.

I had a Slender Billed Too who would fly around then "bounce" her feet off my head like a little platform and take off again. Now, my naughty Ruppell's Parrot who is always getting into trouble doesn't like to be told what he can't do, so to 'punish' me, he lands on my head hard (thank goodness my hair is thick). Sometimes he does it violently and tangles with the top of my head. If I was bald there would be blood lol. He knows that means he has to go in his cage, but to him apparently it's worth it.
Have you considered a clip for your parrot? That would drive me nuts..
Griffin is a "different" case from your normal pet companion parrot. First, I'll say that he doesn't do this all the time, but it was still worth mentioning.
Anyway, I spent about a year and a half(?) with consistent training "bringing him back" from the wild as much as possible, after he literally went 100% phobic as if he was literally just off the plains of Africa and didn't recognize me or humans anymore. Part of the desensitizing was to let his wings grow out so he could fly, so he could gain a sense of confidence and 'escape' when he felt like a predator (me, his lovely owner and supposed companion) was getting too close. I taught him how to go in his cage and other things with voice commands since I couldn't get near him. We've come a long way, but as for more details, I wanted to write a story for our Amazing Journey's section here, but I haven't gotten around to it yet . Also not to derail this thread but to answer Jackie here .

In most "normal" cases though, I think clipping at least temporarily might be a good answer for birds who like dominating the human head for various negative reasons. Or even a light enough clip that it would slow them down, but not completely ground them.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to RavensGryf For This Useful Post:
itzjbean (04-25-2017), Scott  (04-25-2017)
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 04-25-2017, 03:43 PM
Birdman666's Avatar
Senior Member
Parrots:
Presently have six Greenwing Macaw (17 yo), Red Fronted Macaw (12 yo), Red Lored Amazon (17 y.o.), Lilac Crowned Amazon (about 43 y.o.) and a Congo African Grey (11 y.o.) Panama Amazon (1 Y.O.)
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: San Antonio, TX
Thanks: 1,574
Thanked 17,418 Times in 6,307 Posts
Birdman666 is on a distinguished road
Re: What to do for fly by attacks

Quote: Originally Posted by chris-md View Post
Mark what is your approach for pluckers??
THAT is not one size fits all. That varies depending on the trigger for the plucking. An insecure bird that is being a bully... needs to get the insecurity worked on... and THAT STOPS the bullying...

Fear based chasing YOU DO THE OPPOSITE. You don't run. You stop. You sit down on the floor and set a boundary. I am not going to chase you. But you are not going to chase me. Food treat. Try and get them to calmly step up and sit on your lap... Usually holding up and presenting the palm of your hand as kind of a universal stop sign in the bird's face... (with nothing to latch onto. Closed bent fist if they are lunge biters....)

YOU DON'T WANT TO STRESS A PLUCKER... BUT YOU ALSO DON'T LET THEM RUN THE HOUSEHOLD, AND ATTACK PEOPLE, JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOME PSYCHOLOGICAL ISSUES.
__________________
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Birdman666 For This Useful Post:
chris-md (05-02-2017), LeaKP (05-02-2017), Scott  (11-23-2018), Tami2 Supporting Member (02-02-2019)
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 04-25-2017, 03:46 PM
Birdman666's Avatar
Senior Member
Parrots:
Presently have six Greenwing Macaw (17 yo), Red Fronted Macaw (12 yo), Red Lored Amazon (17 y.o.), Lilac Crowned Amazon (about 43 y.o.) and a Congo African Grey (11 y.o.) Panama Amazon (1 Y.O.)
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: San Antonio, TX
Thanks: 1,574
Thanked 17,418 Times in 6,307 Posts
Birdman666 is on a distinguished road
Re: What to do for fly by attacks

My little lilac crowned amazon is the WORST at the chase me game... because she will come charging after you... like the fiercest creature who ever lived, and once she gets to you, she has absolutely no idea what to do.

I WILL DEFEND MY TERRITORY TO THE DEATH... or not. Okay. Actually, I don't really bite anyone.

I think I'll stand here and look at your feet... maybe you'll get bored and go away.

So, did I at least scare you a little bit?!

No?

So, in the wild, I would like, totally be losing my nest right about now, wouldn't I?!

Pretty much. Good thing she's an indoor bird...
__________________

Last edited by Birdman666; 04-25-2017 at 04:31 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Birdman666 For This Useful Post:
clayman (04-26-2017), kendrafitz (04-27-2017), LeaKP (05-02-2017), Scott  (11-23-2018)
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 05-02-2017, 09:19 PM
Junior Member
Join Date: Mar 2017
Thanks: 0
Thanked 14 Times in 10 Posts
Leo1865 is on a distinguished road
Re: What to do for fly by attacks

Quote: Originally Posted by itzjbean View Post
So sorry you are having issues with your too. It may be hormones. One thing to do to prevent this behavior would be a wing clip. Just for the time-being, until you can understand why she is doing this. This would give you more control over the situation so she can no longer dive-bomb with her ability to fly temporarily cut off.

Has there been any changes recently, in job, home, relationships? Birds, especially the larger species like cockatoos, react to the slightest of changes to their lives. Hopefully some too owners can chime in with their advice on this. Good luck!
Chevy is an Umbrella Cockatoo. This started just shortly after we got them. Charlie, TAG, came first then a couple weeks later we got Frenchie and Chevy Everything was great for the first few days, then Chevy started PMSing, that's what I call it. If she hears his voice she fluffs up and hisses. It's just strange how she changed so much so fast. We have not had any problems with anyone else. I just seems to be my husband.

I have really been pushing him to talk to her more, give her treats and it seems to be getting better. He walked up to her tonight and gave her a grape and she took it without hissing.

Clipping wings, I have been back and forth on this. I prefer them not to be clipped, but if this behavior continues we may not have any other choice.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Leo1865 For This Useful Post:
Scott  (11-23-2018)
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 05-02-2017, 09:22 PM
Junior Member
Join Date: Mar 2017
Thanks: 0
Thanked 14 Times in 10 Posts
Leo1865 is on a distinguished road
Re: What to do for fly by attacks

Quote: Originally Posted by SailBoat View Post
Thank-you, for your very informative description of the actions of your Too's and Grey.

Not to be hardhearted, but viewing from a distance, its got to be fun to watch. I am sure your husband would not agree with that - but, his relationship with your Grey has improved greatly.

I have never had a Too, lots of friends with Toos and MAC's that just love placing their feathered friends on the local Amazon Snob.

I would love to provide you so advise, but most of what I would provide would be commonly relationship stuff. If the Too experts do not show, up I will provide you what little I know.

- If you have not read the two 'Sticky' Threads (highlighted in light blue) at the top of the TOO Forum please do so! Also, read through the first view pages for some insight on what you are facing.

I understand that this sounds odd, but both of you need to have a good laugh at what is happening. It nothing else, it takes the edge (bite ) off the moment.
You can laugh, it is actually very funny. Now if she starts to fly I will yell "In coming" and my husband raises his hands up and she will just turn around and go back.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Leo1865 For This Useful Post:
Scott  (11-23-2018)
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 05-02-2017, 09:36 PM
Junior Member
Join Date: Mar 2017
Thanks: 0
Thanked 14 Times in 10 Posts
Leo1865 is on a distinguished road
Re: What to do for fly by attacks

Quote: Originally Posted by Scott View Post
Quote: Originally Posted by Leo1865 View Post
We got a couple Cockatoos a few months ago. When we first got them they were great with both my husband and myself. About a week or so after Chevy, the female decided she hates my husband. He has not done anything to her, she would lay with him and let him scratch her head before. Now if he comes in the room, or even hears his voice she fluffs all up and starts hissing. To make matters worse, if she is out of her cage she will dive bomb him and try to bite him. She waits till he is looking away and she swoops in for the kill, so to speak. I don't have any idea what changed. If my son comes over she is perfectly fine. My son is nervous because of what she does to my husband, but she is very sweet to him. I have not seen that behavior with anyone else.

I have been trying to get him to give her treats every time he see's her thinking that might tame her down some. But he is afraid she will bite him.

I'm thinking it is a jealousy thing going on, but I don't understand what prompted it. He works a lot so he is not around her a whole lot and I don't ignore her when he is around, thinking that she won't feel like he is taking me away from her. I'm lost what to do with them.

We also have a male which she is very bonded to, but she shows very little jealousy if I pay attention to him, she just usually tries to push him out of the way. We also have an African Grey and since we got the Cockatoo's has really bonded to my husband. The Grey is our Alpha in the house, he will chase the Cockatoo's from one cage to another just to mess with them. He has even went after Chevy if she starts go after my husband. Basically protecting him.

I know if he is in the house she can not be out of her cage if I am not right there to monitor.

Any suggestions on what I can do? Do you think she will ever turn around? I know some times birds will hate one sex over another, but I don't really think that is the case since she has never shown that kind of aggression towards anyone else.

Last night I stood in the kitchen near my husband, which is basically open to our living room, where their cages are. As soon as he would look away, she would fly towards him, and I would step in between, and back to her cage. Few minutes later, same thing. This continued until I put her in her cage. I did this just to see what she does if I am not there. My husband will not go into a room if she is loose because she will jump on him and bite him.

Help please, has anyone had this problem and was able to over come it?
What species of cockatoo are Chevy and Frenchie? While all of the white toos have similar characteristics, some are unique.

Your situation seems typical, a honeymoon followed by those active little minds dividing and conquering. I suspect your husband did nothing "wrong" but fell into the female's naughty list of pecking order. Dive bombing is unnerving and ought not be tolerated. I have a wild-caught male Goffin who does that once every few weeks and is swiftly netted and given a time-out in cage. Seems to work satisfactorily as he does not bite, just scrapes his talons across my head, but don't wish for him to escalate. So, you might try an immediate time-out for a few minutes - anything longer won't be perceived as punishment. Lots of other great advice given so far, but personally I'd leave the wing-clipping for very last.
She is an Umbrella Cockatoo. If she does something like that, naught stuff, I usually give her stern talking to, telling her to be nice, that's not appropriate behavior, I don't yell just a very firm tone. She will usually bow her head down as to say I'm sorry. I will ask her if she is going to be nice, and she will start shaking her head up and down. The funny part is our TAG now tells her to "Be nice" If she continues, she goes in her cage. Just like when she starts screaming, I first try to ignore her but if she continues, I do the same thing. Her screaming is really only at night and that's when I put her to bed. I found that by covering her cage keeps her quiet.

I cross my fingers, I think we are starting to make head way, she isn't hissing and fluffing up as much. Actually, just thinking about it, she hasn't few at him for a couple days now. Knock on wood it will stay that way.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Leo1865 For This Useful Post:
Scott  (11-23-2018)
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 05-03-2017, 03:33 AM
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: UK
Thanks: 2,624
Thanked 5,501 Times in 3,107 Posts
plumsmum2005 will become famous soon enough
Re: What to do for fly by attacks

Sounds like the honeymoon truly over with. I go with Mark, Birdman666 advice as too's like to exert dominance after the honeymoon if you let them. Have had this with both my RB2 and the youngster that comes to stay several times a year. Both are over this now. Also second Scott's comment of clip as very last resort IMO.

Too's try to be in charge and if allowed to be so do not do a very good job of it, opens the gates to more problems. Make sure that they have plenty to do/chew as a busy bird is a happy bird. Wild parrots reared by their parents in the wild are constantly corrected for bad behaviour, not allowed to get away with it.
__________________




Last edited by plumsmum2005; 05-03-2017 at 03:36 AM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to plumsmum2005 For This Useful Post:
Scott  (11-23-2018)
  #20 (permalink)  
Old 05-03-2017, 06:27 AM
Taprock's Avatar
Senior Member
Parrots:
Buzz - CAG, Ziggy - Nanday/Sun Conure, Jasper - Goffin
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Northern l.p. Michigan
Thanks: 119
Thanked 457 Times in 155 Posts
Taprock is on a distinguished road
Re: What to do for fly by attacks

When my son's CAG came to live with us he hated my husband. He drew blood a few times and loved to attack his feet, he came to us already clipped. Birdman told us to towel and give him a timeout. We did along with the warning "Do you want Mr. Towell?" After a very short time the warning was all that was needed to stop him in his tracks. Then my husband started asking if he wanted a nut and would let him pick a raw nut from the container, mainly because he wouldn't put his hand near Buzz from past experiences. Now a year and a half later my husband will see Buzz ask if he wants a nut and then Buzz follows him all the way to the kitchen to pick out a nut. I wouldn't say they are friends but they have reached an understanding... or rather I say Buzz trained hubby to feed him treats.

That said I know all birds aren't alike, We have a Goffin who hates/is scared of everyone and we have no idea how far or even if we will make any progress with him. Good luck the advice above is great.
__________________
It is not only fine feathers that make fine birds. -Aesop
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Taprock For This Useful Post:
Scott  (11-23-2018)
Reply

Lower Navigation
Go Back   Parrot Forum - Parrot Owner's Community > Species Specific > Cockatoos

Tags
attacking behavior, cockatoo, hissing, jealousy

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
When a pigeon attacks;) Terry57 Others 21 07-12-2015 04:26 PM
Ceaser ATTACKS!!,,, Caesar Eclectus 5 12-12-2013 04:23 PM
Fake attacks?? Greenwing Macaws 12 04-08-2013 06:45 PM
Attacks toes , does anybody else do that ? Robyn Eclectus 10 11-29-2011 09:34 AM
Hawk attacks!!!!!! Tylerswildphotos Questions and Answers 3 01-22-2011 11:49 PM



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.