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Old 02-14-2019, 09:55 PM
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Re: RIP Spooky.

I’m so sorry for Spooky, poor baby. He looks gentle and friendly.

I would like to point out though that parrots don’t destroy their feathers because they’re so inclined. It’s their environment, or their life, or their owner(s) (or all of these factors together) that drive them to such behavior. Looking for a parrot who “doesn’t destroy his feathers” is no guarantee that he won’t start doing just that at some point.


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Re: RIP Spooky.

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I’m so sorry for Spooky, poor baby. He looks gentle and friendly.

I would like to point out though that parrots don’t destroy their feathers because they’re so inclined. It’s their environment, or their life, or their owner(s) (or all of these factors together) that drive them to such behavior. Looking for a parrot who “doesn’t destroy his feathers” is no guarantee that he won’t start doing just that at some point.


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His feathers looked like hell, but he was beautiful to me. I miss him so much.

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Re: RIP Spooky.

Welcome stockjock but I wish it was in happier circumstances for you. Spooky looks like a real sweetheart and I’m truly sorry for your loss.

Adopting an older bird isn’t such a bad idea... whichever way you choose to go I’m sure the fates will steer the right bundle of feathers your way
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Re: RIP Spooky.

Rest in peace, Spooky: you were a Good Bird!

Stockjock, you could consider a galah for your next bird. Yes, they're cockatoos, but much less needy than the larger varieties and, being smaller, a lot easier to house. Also, they don't have the ear-splitting scream the larger varieties do but a less disturbing sort of 'hoot-hoot' flock call which they (usually) limit to the early mornings and late evenings.

The Citron that screams could be a blessing in disguise or, maybe, the opposite. My Rosetta screams at various times of the day and it's very, *very*, **VERY** wearing after a while. When they say it makes your ears bleed, they're not far wrong. If you decide you can live with a screamer, that's fine, but make extra sure your girlfriend and neighbours can live with it too because lots of people can't physically stand it.

Then again, you might be the owner that saves the Citron from itself. Do you think you can occupy it enough to prevent it screaming? The thing is that it would be truly tragic for the bird to come home with you only to be returned yet again to the shop because of its screaming. Whatever you decide to do, please let us know. Everyone enjoys the stories of older birds learning to fit into a new home. It gives hope to so many of us who are dealing with Birds With Baggage.
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Old 02-15-2019, 05:49 AM
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Re: RIP Spooky.

Thanks for the reminder Betrisher.
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Re: RIP Spooky.

I'm so very sorry for your loss...

I recommend a necropsy as well...HOWEVER:

***I gotta say this because it sounds like you're under the wrong impression about Teflon and any products that contain Fluorinated compounds like PFOA, PTFE, etc...It's not that YOUR BIRD had a "problem" with Teflon...ALL BIRDS have a problem with Teflon. Always. It kills them.

***If you own ANY bird at all, you absolutely cannot use any products that contain either Teflon or any other of the Fluorinated Compounds, including pots, pans, bakeware, cookware, space heaters, griddles, George Foreman Grills, etc. IT WILL KILL ALL BIRDS, USUALLY QUICKLY, BUT NOT ALWAYS!!!

I have to say that the Teflon off-gassing over-time at least played a part in your bird's early death, and I would almost say that I'm 100% sure that it was the reason for any Neurological issues he had, such as the seizures. And if your bird had ANY Cardiac or Respiratory issues at all, then every time you used Teflon in your house, it would have stressed him and exasperated those issues. This isn't an optional thing, and it's not a "sometimes" or "only effects certain birds" thing. It's ALL BIRDS. So please, if you do get another bird, you MUST get rid of ALL of your Teflon pots/pans and anything else that contains it and any other Fluorinated Compounds!!! You must use either cast-iron, stainless steel, or ceramic non-stick cookware...And any appliances you buy, large like an oven or small like a heater or griddle, you must call the manufacturer first and ask them if they are "Bird Safe", and if they contain any off-gassing Fluorinated Compounds in them...

I'm so sorry this happened, and I'm sorry you got bad advice somewhere about using Teflon, but I would bet my life that it definitely at least played a part in your bird's death, if nothing else it made any underlying congenital issues he had with his heart or respiratory system much worse...And the seizures are sure sign of toxicity, regardless of his age when they started or how often it happened. You just cannot use Teflon in a house with a bird. Period.
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Re: RIP Spooky.

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I'm so very sorry for your loss...

I recommend a necropsy as well...HOWEVER:
The bird passed on the weekend and I did not have the desire or space to put him in the freezer to await a necropsy.

While I am accepting his Vet's view that he passed due to heart disease, I have removed all Teflon pans from the home just to make sure we have a good environment going forward.
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Re: RIP Spooky.

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I'm so very sorry for your loss...

I recommend a necropsy as well...HOWEVER:
The bird passed on the weekend and I did not have the desire or space to put him in the freezer to await a necropsy.

While I am accepting his Vet's view that he passed due to heart disease, I have removed all Teflon pans from the home just to make sure we have a good environment going forward.

On the Teflon/PTFE/PFOA note: It is not just in pans...It is common in anything that heats or is intended to be heated ---internally, or externally (e.g., drip trays, blow-dryers, heat-lamps,curling irons, space-heaters, humidifiers, irons, ironing board covers, electric blankets, rice-cookers, air-fryers, griddles, microwave popcorn bags etc)..even rain-coats--which can pose a threat in the clothes dryer. It can be applied as a clear-coat, mixed with metal during molding process, woven into tapes/fabrics, mixed with sprays or in the form that we typically recognize on pans.I really hate this chemical mixture. If you have anything that heats up or is supposed to withstand heat (internally or externally) , always call and tell them that you need to know if it contains PTFE (+full chemical name), PFOA (+full chemical name) and/or Teflon (brand name).

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Re: RIP Spooky.

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I'm so very sorry for your loss...

I recommend a necropsy as well...HOWEVER:
The bird passed on the weekend and I did not have the desire or space to put him in the freezer to await a necropsy.

While I am accepting his Vet's view that he passed due to heart disease, I have removed all Teflon pans from the home just to make sure we have a good environment going forward.

On the Teflon/PTFE/PFOA note: It is not just in pans...It is common in anything that heats or is intended to be heated (e.g., drip trays, blow-dryers, heat-lamps,curling irons, space-heaters, humidifiers, irons, ironing board covers, electric blankets, rice-cookers, air-fryers, griddles, microwave popcorn bags etc)..even rain-coats--which can pose a threat in the clothes dryer. I really hate this chemical mixture. If you have anything that heats up or is supposed to withstand heat, always call and tell them that you need to know if it contains PTFE (+full chemical name), PFOA (+full chemical name) and/or Teflon (brand name).
Fortunately, I don't own most of those items. When I did cook, I usually used cast iron (enameled or not) or stainless. I have a nice Breville toaster oven that I rarely use. I suspect it has Teflon, so maybe I can call to confirm. If that's the case, are there toaster ovens without it?
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Re: RIP Spooky.

There are toasters and toaster ovens without it, but you have to call to verify (it's really specific and can vary by model number)-- again, spell out the full chemical names, plus the abbreviations and then the brand. It usually will take a few days for them to get back to you.
Also, make sure you aren't using any standard cleaners or anything with a scent (bleach, windex, lysol, air fresheners etc).
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