African Grey for a First Bird?

NatureBoy

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Hello everyone, I'm new to the forums although I have been lurking for a while. This site seems to be the best out there as far as having a wealth of knowledgeable members and a very active forum. I look forward to receiving a great deal of information from many of you.

With that being said, let me get started with why I've come here in the first place, that being my interest in potentially owning an African Grey. Now, you will notice I used the word "potentially". This is because an African Grey would be my first pet bird. I'm here to hear first hand why are why not an African Grey would be a good or a bad fit for me.

Let me start off by giving some background information on who I am. I'm 27 years old and grew up being obsessed with animals and nature (hence my username). I was raised on a horse farm where we always had a minimum of 10 horses among other various farm animals. After I graduated college, I moved into my own place along with my fiance and currently own a few reptiles as well as my Doberman who is a big baby due in large part to me spending a tremendous amount of time with him as a puppy as well as socializing him with other humans and other dogs at every opportunity. The reason I'm referencing this is to show that I'm committed to doing whatever it takes to have a well behaved animal, and I've heard that African Greys should be socialized, albeit in a different manner (obviously) than dogs.

I've always been fascinated by birds, and African Greys in particular due to their high level of intelligence and being so cerebral. I've been researching them heavily as of late, as I always do before I potentially take the plunge on something, especially an animal. I've researched their potential difficulties when it comes to ownership such as them being phobic, not overly sociable with people other than their owner, feather plucking, need for constant mental stimulation such as new toys, etc. With that being said, I love a challenge, especially when it comes to pets and I feel that I have the time and patience to overcome these difficulties. I've also spent a great deal of time researching their diet and what people recommend as a good staple diet. As far as pellets, I hear a lot of people recommend the Harrison's line of offerings, is this a good staple diet in your opinion(s)?

Now, in my research I continually come across many people suggesting people start out with something smaller, such as a Budgie. No offense to anyone who owns a Budgie, but they don't appeal to me very much, certainly not as much as a Grey. The last thing I want to do is buy a "starter bird" (I hate that term) only to potentially relocate it in the future in order to "upgrade" to a Grey. It's not at all fair to the bird. I'm the type of person where I will go after what I want to begin with or not go after it at all. I feel that I'm at a stage in my life where I can finally provide for a Grey both time wise, as well as financially.

With all of this being said (and I know this is a long post) please do your best to help give me the final nudge, or talk me off the cliff so to speak. I truly believe that I've done about as much research as humanly possible, and now it's best to turn to the actual experts who in this case are actual owners. Thank you for your time and I eagerly anticipate your responses!
 

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I think you should get the bird you want as long as you're fully prepared. You can learn a lot and if you have a great avian vet they can help you even more. To me a starter bird is a bird who won't deliver a severe bite, for someone who is afraid of the larger birds but still wants a wonderful companion, and maybe one day in the future they'll include another fid into their life. For someone who really wants a larger bird, and is committed I say go for it. When someone buys a starter bird, to only be a starter bird, what happens to them when they get the bird they want.
 

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I too hate the saying "beginner bird"
If getting a "beginner bird" it would be a mistake, knowing that the "beginner bird" is not what you truly wanted and basically a "substitute"bird.
It would be unfair on the"beginner bird"as well.

My first bird was an African Grey, best decision I had ever made.
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Thanks Antoinette, and I agree with your assertion about "beginner" birds being a bad decision. It's not fair to the bird, and just a bad way to get into bird keeping in general in my opinion. With that said, can anyone comment on a good staple diet? I know they need a varied diet, but as I mentioned before, I had heard Harrison's makes a good quality food. My only concern is finding it locally. Is there a pelleted food of similar quality that is easier to find?

My next question regards to cages. Is there a cage that anyone can recommend for a Grey? I'm not sure if there's a common go-to cage out there for Grey keepers. I'd like to keep it in the 500-600 dollar range if possible. First, is that a decent budget for a cage or should I have more money put aside? I'm aware that the cage is just the beginning and the accessories will add up as well, so the 5-600 is what I plan to spend on the cage alone. As far as wire spacing is concerned, I've read many times to go with 3/4" and I've also read 1" is preferred. Any input on wire spacing is much appreciated.

Lastly, are there any tips anyone can give for first time owners in regards to things that I might never read about but should be prepared for? For example, with my experience with raising puppies I know it's important to crate train at a young age and to not let them out when they whine, and that whining is normal the first few nights away from their mother. Are there similar scenarios when it comes to a Grey? I plan to buy a hand raised bird. If anyone knows of any reputable breeders of Greys in Michigan, I'm all ears. I don't plan on actually buying a bird until around August/September. I'm just trying to get all of my ducks in a row now, so to speak.
 

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You should find Harrison's, they are truly the best. You can have it shipped to you from my safe bird store for the same price you would buy it at a vet, sometimes even less. A certified avian vet should also carry it. Other than that the only brand I really like is totally organically. A lot of people like Roudybush but I personally won't touch the stuff.

For cages bigger is usually better, I keep Rosie my galah in a 37"wide x 27"deep x 68"tall. Kenji my newly adopted grey is kept in a slightly smaller cage. You'll just have to look around and find the one that fits your budget and is a good size. A&E cages and HQ cages are pretty good. Stainless steal is great too but way out of range for most people. 1" would be a fine bar spacing for a Congo.

Stock up on wood, and check out foraging toys - and do a lot of research on trick/clicker training. Clicker training is one of the best ways to offer mental stimulation to your bird.
 

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Regardless of what species you choose, I believe the most important thing to consider is that unlike a dog or cat, a parrot will not lay home and sleep all day while you are away at work. They need a large cage filled with lots of things to do if they must be confined for hours and as much flying and stimulation as you can provide when you are home.

I had the fortune of owning a CAG for a few years when a friend of my oldest daughter needed to rehome hers. I learned so much from Maui. Sadly, I lost her to the outdoors in her 8th year.

I like 30 x 40 playtop cages. A&E cages that size are sold online by Petsmart for a little over $400 with free shipping. I have dome top and operatop cages also but for my needs the playtops work best.

I know it is not a popular opinion in the U.S., but my bias is towards keeping same species opposite sex pairs so parrots can lead a somewhat "normal" life in captivity.
 
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Thanks Sodakat for the advice. I have actually entertained the thought of a pair, although unfortunately I don't think it's best for me to start out with a pair considering this will be my first bird. How territorial are birds in the event that I should attempt to introduce a 2nd Grey in the future (opposite sex of course)? Do you have a link to the cage you were recommending? I looked for it on Petsmart's website but couldn't locate it. However, I did find this cage that looks roomy. Only hesitation I have is I've read on here that many people aren't happy with Prevue cages.

Prevue Pet Products Large Royalty Bird Cage - Bird - Boutique - PetSmart
 

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Hi,
I don't see it as a problem, beginner birds aren't birds that are easy to keep, they are your first bird. I was told I'm too young for an amazon and that they are not a beginner bird, but it is the best thing that has ever happened to me!! If you know you are able to keep an African grey, then I say go for it!
 

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Actually I may have found the cage you were referring to on Petco. Is this it? It appears to have gotten better reviews than the Prevue. It also appears to be easier to assemble.

A&E Cage Company Macaw Mansion Dometop Bird Cage at PETCO


My mistake. It WAS Petco not PetSmart with the good deals on A&E. This the the cage I was referring to because I like the play tops, but if the bird will be caged most of the day, dome tops do give more room. A&E Cage Company 40" X 30" Play Top Bird Cage at PETCO

Regarding accepting a new bird after they have lived alone for a while, I will tell you what I have experienced. If both birds are young the odds are much greater that they will at least tolerate each other. By young I mean a year or more younger than sexual maturity. Juveniles who were raised with other birds at the breeder's will be the most willing to accept another bird.

As far as introducing older birds to each other in the hopes they will be companions, I've found that if one of the birds is experienced and the other is willing, they may come to an understanding. If they are heavily human imprinted and have not spent any time with others of their own species they may not even know they are birds.

I learned a lot of this through trial and error. I'm just passing on what worked for me. I know it is difficult to imagine acquiring two youngsters for your first companion parrots. If you decide to do this, I would say get one and work with it for 4 to 6 months, then get the companion and set it up in a nearby cage. Make friends with that bird the same way you did the first. It will often be easier with the second youngster because they will see the enjoyment the first bird gets from its relationship with you.

Six month or even a year age difference in young birds is nothing.

Good luck in whatever you decide to do!
 

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my beginner bird was a greenwing macaw.....go for it! my dream bird is a grey and I am hoping maybe one day~
 
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Thank you everyone for the informative replies and the encouragement. It's nice to hear from people who've started with a Grey as a first bird, and to hear from people who think that starting with a Grey is indeed doable. I read on some other pages where people were steadfastly against someone starting with a Grey, but again, I don't believe in "starter" birds (like budgies) simply to get your feet wet if that's not what you truly want. It appears that on those other sites, people were against the Grey due to the bite force of a larger bird. I can fully understand this concern, but it's not a deterrent for me. Birds are animals, and as such are unpredictable and can and do bite, I fully understand this. If I am bitten, I want to learn from it so that I can learn what I did wrong to prevent it in the future. Once you've been kicked by a full grown horse, a bite from a bird while unpleasant, isn't something I'm afraid of.

I do have some more questions in regards to food. How much on average can I expect a Grey to eat in a week on average in regards to pellets? Are we talking a pound, 2 pounds, etc? It looks like buying food in a 5LB to 10LB bag is the most cost effective so this is what I plan to do. I'm not worried about it going bad as I will put it in fresh-lock containers like I do with dog food. I must admit, bird food prices were a bit of an eye opener. I'm used to paying 50 dollars for a 30LB bag of dog food which is on the expensive end for my Doberman as I believe in feeding only high quality food. Imagine my surprise when I saw 30-40 dollars for a 5LB bag of bird food haha.

Are there any toys that tend to be well liked on average by Greys? I know this will vary from bird to bird, but I wasn't sure if there were any toys in particular that many Grey owners have found to be well liked universally by their birds. Thanks again for the replies and I will eagerly await your responses!
 
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I also had a question in addition to my above questions regards to the initial purchase. When purchasing a hand raised weaned baby, is it capable of fending for itself while I'm at work from 8:00-5:00? Or, am I better off buying one that's possibly a bit older? The reason I ask is because I'm not sure of the feeding schedule for such a young bird. Thanks in advance!
 

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My first bird was Marley my CAG. I don't regret it one bit. It has been quite an adventure with her over the last four years, she definitely has a mind of her own. I say go for it! Get what you want. But I do have to say, no matter how much research you do, you'll never be totally prepared. CAGs are like having a kid, they have their own personalities and they are all different. No one's experience is exactly the same. Some days Marley is moody, other days Marley is chill. Unfortunately I'm totally guilty of letting everything be on Marley's terms. I'm not an expert by any means, but I can speak from my short experience that you won't regret it.
 

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What did you do first with your African grey? Did you establish your routine with it right away?
Also do people just buy a bunch of toys to start off and see which toy is likeable?
What and how does this work when you first get one?
What did you do before getting a grey, can others do what you did too?
 

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What did you do first with your African grey? Did you establish your routine with it right away?
Also do people just buy a bunch of toys to start off and see which toy is likeable?
What and how does this work when you first get one?
What did you do before getting a grey, can others do what you did too?

Thanks again for the replies and I will eagerly await your responses!
Did you get your grey yet? How is it going? What is its name?

FYI this thread is nearly six years old! Begun in March 2013, last visit by original poster was April of same year. One of those mysteries we'll likely never know.
 

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If you haven't had a bird, I would not get a pair. You will struggle to bond when a pair is involved and then there is the possibility of hormonal biting etc (amplified with other birds).

I think you should volunteer somewhere and get used to handling large birds with big beaks etc before getting one. There is an essential level of confidence that comes with experience and a bird will know if you are uncertain.

Also, research the heck out of all of the fumes etc that harm them (pretty much all household cleaners, air fresheners, Teflon/ptfe/pfoa etc---it can be a VERY shocking lifestyle adjustment to suddenly eliminate candles, perfumes, bleach, and most of your pots/pans/ irons/space-heaters etc. Teflon is hidden in lots of stuff.
 

SomePeopleHaveBirds

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What did you do first with your African grey? Did you establish your routine with it right away?
Also do people just buy a bunch of toys to start off and see which toy is likeable?
What and how does this work when you first get one?
What did you do before getting a grey, can others do what you did too?

Thanks again for the replies and I will eagerly await your responses!
Did you get your grey yet? How is it going? What is its name?

FYI this thread is nearly six years old! Begun in March 2013, last visit by original poster was April of same year. One of those mysteries we'll likely never know.

Oh whoops. I hoping I can still get information from it. But I do hope he has got one. I've been researching on them myself not that much but it's good to fly around the internet researching on different parrots that have been kept as pets, like diet, behavior, etc.
 

SomePeopleHaveBirds

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Oh I will! I've been making plans to volunteer! I'm still in school, and planning to do it. I have been researching but I feel like it's not enough. But I have read about nonstick pans I know not get one, I've never had one anyway. I know not rush into getting a bird, that's why I've been making plans to volunteer! :)
Hopefully the rescue I volunteer at has big birds. I just wanted to know what people do when they first get one, online says that wait until the bird is comfortable by keeping it in the cage for a while, but is really what I should do?
Oh yeah I read about a pair, online it says if you want "pet quality" just have one bird so it won't be distracted with the other one, then after a few years of bonding then get another for your lone bird.
But thank you for the information.
But yeah I can't wait to volunteer I'm just so excited! I think it will help me learn a lot, about how to take care of birds big a small.
 
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