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Re: Is it true as Timneh's mature they get nippy (bite)

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This is true of ALL parrots. Babies are a walk in the park in comparison. When they approach sexual maturity (which varies by species) hormones rev up and stay up for generally a few years. After that, you have an adult bird (with adult sex hormones). Think about a baby, vs a 13-14 year old, vs a 21 year old...You never get your baby back to that place BEFORE hormones. Just like a 13-14 year old feels things intensely, so do parrots. A sassy 21 year old is still a lot less nice than a baby...but maybe a bit more level than the 13 year old.

A lot of people make the mistake of treating baby parrots like lap dogs and establish all of this inappropriate and preferred behavior (from the bird's perspective) that will lead to a hormonal, dependent ,"crazy" bird in adulthood....but once you establish "favorite things" you can't just take them away from them when they hit puberty without upsetting the bird (even when you realize that you have to), which is why you need to start young in terms of the behaviors you would expect post puberty (even if they won't be sexually mature for many years). NOTE: EVEN a bird that lives with an expert trainer is far more difficult / a much more intense commitment than most other pets in terms of the detail and knowledge they require...coupled with their long life-expectancies (which sound great, until it doesn't--for many, this is the case). You should never pet anywhere other than the head or neck...never allow access to shadowy spaces...teach them to play with toys...learn how to handle the behavior (ABA is a great start)...12 hours of sleep...balanced diet..at LEAST 1x yearly visits to an avian certified vet if at all possible (exotics vets are not the same). It can be tempting to carry your baby all around and take it with you everywhere, but what does that look like in 4 years when it sees you as its mate and gets jealous, or when you have to go to work and have a bird that doesn't know what it means to feel okay for periods of time alone? YOU MUST take them out at least 3-4 hours a day, but you also have to literally teach them to play etc...teach them in small doses (this doesn't mean locking them up and leaving).

Bottom line though, you will be bitten (we all have been)...but if you are, it's almost always because you aren't paying enough attention to the signals or because you don't know enough about behavior theory etc...so a "nippy" bird is a bird whose owner doesn't understand when to back off (despite clear "don't touch me" vibes) , or a bird whose owner hormonally stimulates it...or a sick bird..or a bird who has had its bad behavior inadvertently reinforced .
It is like adopting a VERY complicated, smart, child with unique needs and a totally different outlook on the world. I feel like this question worries me a bit because it is SUPER general...

Dogs and cats are much more intuitive and much easier than parrots in general (dogs and cats--yes, even cats-- move fast and bond quickly...they are forgiving in comparison and they brush things off easily- they also are domesticated, whereas parrots are literally still wild animals- even if hatched in captivity)...A parrot is a VERY complicated pet in comparison. From the changes they require in terms of the types of cleaners you use (including the fact that you can never use scented products like air fresheners, plug-ins, candles, oil warmers etc...fabreeze...it's all out..Teflon/PTFE/PFOA/PFCs= also out..perfumes etc...burning food, smoke, vaping...all very bad (and in terms of teflon, it can kill them even if you use it an entire floor away with doors shut). They also are VERY sensitive to changes...be it new furniture, a new boyfriend, a work schedule shift, hairstyle change etc etc etc..then there are dietary issues and the fact that they will hide illness until they are in an emergency situation...
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I had to take the time to thank you for this post!

So well stated, babies are all sweet, a teenage
burd ( developmental stage , not in years) can be very difficult, and adults have their own thoughts, can be reasoned with, but will have hormonal seasons for life. Some adults can ride the hormonal Rollercoaster with ease. While some individuals , or species, will have hormonal screaming, attack you you to defend territory, and just be angry and frustrated during the breeding season. But do return to their stable selves once passed.
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Re: Is it true as Timneh's mature they get nippy (bite)

Both of my hand-raised TAGs remain(ed) nippy their entire lives. Definitely not cuddly but loveable and vocally entertaining.
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Re: Is it true as Timneh's mature they get nippy (bite)

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Both of my hand-raised TAGs remain(ed) nippy their entire lives. Definitely not cuddly but loveable and vocally entertaining.
There is no judgement here (having lived it) but if you try to touch them and they don't want to be touched, they will be nippy. Especially in comparison to some species. I think it just depends, but any bird can be nippy if they are not soliciting contact and it happens anyway. Some birds don't like physical contact (and I know you know this Scott-- so this is not directed at you-- it is just a general statement).

TAGs tends to be a bit stand-offish (not always...but often)

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Re: Is it true as Timneh's mature they get nippy (bite)

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Both of my hand-raised TAGs remain(ed) nippy their entire lives. Definitely not cuddly but loveable and vocally entertaining.
There is no judgement here (having lived it) but if you try to touch them and they don't want to be touched, they will be nippy. Especially in comparison to some species. I think it just depends, but any bird can be nippy if they are not soliciting contact and it happens anyway. Some birds don't like physical contact (and I know you know this Scott-- so this is not directed at you-- it is just a general statement).

TAGs tends to be a bit stand-offish (not always...but often)
Completely agree! I had a semi-tame breeding pair that produced two offspring. The patriarch was least nippy though the fids were extremely chatty and entertaining.
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Re: Is it true as Timneh's mature they get nippy (bite)

Smokey would let me rub her beak but that was it,but she'd beak-bang my forehead and gurgle in my ear if on my shoulder but don't touch her! She was also very vocal and loving in her own sweet way. Miss her every day



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Re: Is it true as Timneh's mature they get nippy (bite)

You know it's so true about no generalizing when it comes to parrots because though some parrot breeds do have common generalized traits like Cockatoos are cuddles and crave physical touch while Amazons are very aggressive and nippy during mating season. I know of breeder, who has a mating pair of Double Yellow headed Amazon and he can stick his hands insider their cage on or off breeding season and both the male and female will instantly step up and ask for head scratches and never show any sort of aggression. Though generalization is a good blue print of what to expect for a specific species, we as humans need to respect and learn our parrot's behaviour to understand what they are communicating with us and the boundaries they are drawing for each day as it can change from hour to hour.
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Re: Is it true as Timneh's mature they get nippy (bite)

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You know it's so true about no generalizing when it comes to parrots because though some parrot breeds do have common generalized traits like Cockatoos are cuddles and crave physical touch while Amazons are very aggressive and nippy during mating season. I know of breeder, who has a mating pair of Double Yellow headed Amazon and he can stick his hands insider their cage on or off breeding season and both the male and female will instantly step up and ask for head scratches and never show any sort of aggression. Though generalization is a good blue print of what to expect for a specific species, we as humans need to respect and learn our parrot's behaviour to understand what they are communicating with us and the boundaries they are drawing for each day as it can change from hour to hour.
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Re: Is it true as Timneh's mature they get nippy (bite)

My take on biting.

I see 4 scenarios where they bite, this is from experience of Enzo, a cockatiel and many budgies. Im probably wrong but again, this is my take.

1. Fear. Check body language for this, if they are fearful of something they can just fly away, but if they see somebody from the flock that doesn't see what ever they are fearful of, they will lunge bite and fly away, I think this is a 'get out of here NOW' message. I get nips like this from Enzo when I am brushing or hoovering as Enzo HATES them....so that's about 12 times a day!

2. When they have been giving you signs that they don't want the attention or don't want you involved in what ever they are doing, and you totally ignore the signs, then you get a nip for your negligence. Read the body language.

3. Playing, this is more specific to Enzo, when she gets super excited she wants to play fight and will initiate the fight. All the signs are of super aggression and she will literally run at me fluffed to the full, wings raised and lunge bite me, but its not a bite, just a beak.... she literally laughs out loud when doing this and wants me to play fight back.

4. They simply doesn't like that person at this point, you can work on this by socialising the bird with the person more and keep your fingers crossed that things over time improve.

I can honestly say i've never had an aggression bite from Enzo, and the nips ive had are generally my fault and she has never used the side of her beak on me. My brother had a terrible bite when she used the side of her beak and literally took a piece of his hand off, this is when she didn't know him and he interrupted her playtime. Don't get me wrong im never complacent with her and im constantly watching her mood and body language as I know what she is capable of. When she is triggered like that, shes in her cage for a time out, most likely hormones with her.....

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Re: Is it true as Timneh's mature they get nippy (bite)

I have been wanting to comment on this thread but I don't have a TAG I have a CAG.

I am kind of a newcomer with African grey's (4 years more/less) I have been dealing with puberty.

When I first got Bella she loved everyone and I could give her scratches.
Since puberty she has picked my wife as her most favorite human and I am no longer allowed the privilege of scratching her.
She doesn't bite but pushes my fingers away with increasing force. I guess she might bite if I pressed the issue but I know when I am not wanted.

My son and I make acceptable servants, can pick her up and let her ride around on our shoulder but she is more likely to bite my son then me.

The one place she is nippy is when feeding her and she is in her cage. She plays catch the finger for keeps and you have to be fast and careful. Even my wife will get nipped.

When I do push Bella (trying to get her to step up when she does not want to) she does not bite, she has another trick that shows her intelligence.
She lowers her head and fluffs up her neck feathers asking me to give her scratches.
She knows I can't resist and she is so cute I usually let her be and wait till she is more ready to step up.
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