Queen Of Bavaria (golden conure)

Wings · Jun 23, 2013

Okay, so I have been wondering why is it so hard to get ahold of a queen of bavaria (permits price etc.) when the sun conure, which is 10x cheaper, found everywhere, and kept with no permit, is endangered as well? Almost all pet parrots are endangered, and the queen and few birds make an exception to where you need a permit. I have a cousin who has privately owned a Thick-Billed parrot, (given as a gift, also endangered) and they are literally unobtainable otherwise. However, the other endangered parrots with few exceptions have no problem becoming pets...why is this so? Why don't they let people freely keep golden conures, and thick-billed parrots?

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weco · Jun 23, 2013

When parrots were freely imported into the U.S., there were very few goldens in captivity...they were either not that abundant in the wild or harder to catch/nest rob, then CITES went into effect and because of the scarcity of breeding stock in the U.S. and other places, the government decided on licenses/permits in order to maintain the purity of blood lines. As I'm sure you are aware, too many people are guided by $$$ rather than moral consciousness and what different blood lines are currently in the U.S. are what there is to further the species.....making them hard to own and/or obtain and place an accountability restriction on them, the quick $$$ idea kind of drops by the wayside.....

Similarly, while some cross breeding of different species does occur in the wild, I don't agree with the breeding of mutations and hybrids just to make a buck, but then that's just my opinion.....

Wasn't trying to trump your post Grey, I started mine about an hour before I posted it & didn't see yours 'til after the fact.....

Wings · Jun 23, 2013

Thank you guys~ They better not put the great blues on that act where i can't take it over state lines... i might decide to get a glaucous macaw.

however, they do (did) have some in captivity, and are a vibrant blue (digital recreation)

BeakFace · Jul 11, 2013

Wings said:
Thank you guys~ They better not put the great blues on that act where i can't take it over state lines... i might decide to get a glaucous macaw. But seriously, they do have some in captivity, and are a VIBRANT blue

Hey I think we have written to each other before. I just brought home a Queen of Bavaria. Beautiful baby. Hand feeding it. I have a Rose Breasted named Murphy and A Palm cockatoo. The Palm is named Poe and I have had it just about one month. I live in Florida so don't need a permit for Queen here.

U2gal · Jul 11, 2013

Wings said:
Thank you guys~ They better not put the great blues on that act where i can't take it over state lines... i might decide to get a glaucous macaw. But seriously, they do have some in captivity, and are a VIBRANT blue

The only great blue available is the Hy. There are too few of Lears in captivity in the USofA. Spix are not sold as pets. And the Glaucious macaw is extinct

I think its silly for there to be permits on some pets and none on others. I'm all for everyone obtaining a permit if they want a parrot/bird. Makes them think hard/twice on the matter, which would be less parrots/birds in need of rescue/sanctuary.

sodakat · Jul 11, 2013

First, I do not think Sun Conures are endangered. They *may* be threatened.

Regarding foreign species in general here is what the ESA says:

The Endangered Species Act (ESA) requires the Service to list species as endangered or threatened regardless of which country the species lives in. Benefits to the species include prohibitions on certain activities including import, export, take, commercial activity, interstate commerce, and foreign commerce. By regulating activities, the United States ensures that people under the jurisdiction of the United States do not contribute to the further decline of listed species.

I've called the ESA a couple times and spoke to a "specialist". The last person I talked to regarding the new macaw species that are being proposed to be added to the list, said their decision on whether or not to add them would depend entirely on the field reports from their native regions.

Interstate Commerce laws in the U.S. are very difficult to challenge, btw.

Wings · Jul 11, 2013

Thanks

Suns are in fact endangered, sad so many parrots are endangered... it is interesting how the government doesn't take into account the captive population (with the exception of few of the EW species)

Wings · Jul 11, 2013

u2Gal, glaucous macaws aren't available to private owners but I read they had one in captivity, maybe it died, as i read that quite a while ago. I saw a digital recreation and they are such a bright blue! Also, I'm pretty sure the lear's macaw is available to serious aviculturists. Source-"Barron's Macaws A Complete Pet Owner's Manual"

I wouldn't consider a spix as a "great blue", more like a "little cyan".

U2gal · Jul 11, 2013

The Spix is indeed considered a great blue. They're about the size as a glaucious macaw would have been.

To me, the glaucious looks like a miniature Lear's macaw.
Glaucous Macaw - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can see stuffed dead glaucous macaws on google.

Lear's Macaw - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think the Spix is the lightest colored Great Blue. But there were many many species of macaws that went extinct in the last 400 years.

My favorite is the Cuban Macaw

Cuban Macaw - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Google cuban macaw for real photos of dead Cuban macaws.

Wings · Jul 11, 2013

Wow pretty birds

Anyway, I think it is everyone's opinion on what is a "great blue all the great blues are in Anodorhynchus in my opinion, and the spix's macaw is just so special it belongs in an area of it's own..."little blue macaw"

Klaery · Jul 12, 2013

Wings said:
Thanks Suns are in fact endangered, sad so many parrots are endangered... it is interesting how the government doesn't take into account the captive population (with the exception of few of the EW species)

Yeah they are

It is not the government. It is based off the IUCN red list which has assessors such as the institute of zoology etc. It isn't some government guesswork. It also refers to animals in the wild (the level above critically endangered is 'extinct in the wild' if there are still animals in captivity). As I said in the kea thread captive populations are generally useless anyway in terms of the wild population as the genetic diversity sucks and the vast majority are not suitable for release. Could one even gaurantee a pure sun conure in captivity? On top of that it is rediculously expensive to set up and monitor a release program.

Wings · Jul 12, 2013

you bring some very interesting points. I feel that any species that can be saved, should be, no matter the cost.

U2gal · Jul 12, 2013

Wings said:
Wow pretty birds Anyway, I think it is everyone's opinion on what is a "great blue all the great blues are in Anodorhynchus in my opinion, and the spix's macaw is just so special it belongs in an area of it's own..."little blue macaw"

Well the glaucous is the same size too.

I think they call them great blues because they're blud. Unlike the blue and gold or caninde macaw which are blue and yellow.

Wings · Jul 12, 2013

You have a point there. The hyacinth Macaw is a bird I plan on obtaining when i have the money for a stainless steel aviary, with several layers

sodakat · Jul 12, 2013

Seriously? A stainless steel aviary? That would be extremely expensive consider the size aviary you need for that large a bird.

Wings · Jul 12, 2013

Yep... maybe I should convert a room for the bird

tahir · Sep 18, 2013

hi,
i have question regarding golden conure, i have one adult pair and got them sexed recently and found out they are females but i still have a doubt about that coz color of eyes of both birds is different one has redish eyes and other has black. can any one guide me regarding this.

Acindo · Sep 18, 2013

@Wings

I very much like your signature. Felt like I had to comment.

Very sorry I can't answer the OP as I don't live in your country and know hardly anything about the laws in my own lol.

MonicaMc · Sep 18, 2013

tahir said:
hi,
i have question regarding golden conure, i have one adult pair and got them sexed recently and found out they are females but i still have a doubt about that coz color of eyes of both birds is different one has redish eyes and other has black. can any one guide me regarding this.

Just because they have different colored eyes doesn't mean that they can't be the same sex.

Find another DNA sexing company (which one did you use? did you DNA or SS sex them?) and do another test.

Wings · Dec 26, 2013

I know i'm like three months late Acindo, but thanks xD

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