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Old 08-23-2017, 04:28 PM
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Re: should I let my conure sit on my shoulder?

My lil critters are welcome to perch anywhere they wish. Bite pressure training took maybe 2-3 "discussions" and no mo bitty bird has emerged. Never used a "time out" to try to get a bird to change a behavior.. I do get love nibbles which are on a dif level. On flight... I regret the day a careless vet tech permanently injured my lil Boogers left wing. He was such a skilled flyer and a joy to watch him in action. As far as what I need to teach my birds or "un teach" I always keep in mind that these are birds.. NOT children... hence more behaviors are driven by instinct. Im content to let a bird be a bird.
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Old 08-23-2017, 04:46 PM
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Re: should I let my conure sit on my shoulder?

Wing clipping is not comparable to permanently disabling them, it's more like tying a dogs front legs together 24/7 and then untying the rope every 6 months just to tie it again. The equivalent to keeping a dog on a leash would be keeping a bird on a leash when you take it outside. You don't keep the dog on a leash indoors, it is free to run around indoors, and the dog can still walk while on a leash. Clipped birds are never taken off their leash and can not fly with clipped wings. Sure, they can still glide, but a dog can still hobble around on its hind legs. The point is, they can't go anywhere. I hope you reconsider clipping your bird's wings, but if you still decide to keep them clipped it's your opinion and I still respect it, as long as your bird is happy it's fine but I know my birds would never be happy with their wings clipped after they have gotten to know the joy of flight. Once I partially clipped my budgie, she was holding her wings out and shaking them, looking so confused as to why she's working so hard to fly, and stopped flying for the fun of it, she only flew to get around. I was so relieved when I found those clipped feathers on the bottom of her cage. She now flies laps around the room just for the fun of it again and never quivers her wings when she wants to fly. As to flying into windows and breaking their necks, experienced flyers can learn where windows are very easily. You just need to walk around the house and tap on the windows to show them that they can't fly through them, or if they really don't understand you can cover them with curtains or blinds while the bird is out. Clipped birds are actually more likely to hit things since they can't control their flight. Flighted birds can fly with precision and avoid objects, I can not remember one time when my birds crashed into something. And clipping her wings has actually caused more biting problems for her. If she was flighted, she could just fly to you for attention and you wouldn't have to put her on the floor. Walking? My birds have never even heard of such a thing, if I try to put them on the floor they just fly right back up to me. They feel in danger when on the floor, birds always feel safer up high. When Ducky was clipped as a baby he would not let me put him down, he had to be ON me ALL the time. Now that he's flighted, he knows he can fly to me if he feels threatened and lets me place him on a perch or playgym. Many times he does fly back to me though. Of course, he always prefers to be with me, but many times he just flies around for the sake of flying or even flies back to his cage for a drink. Kermit was partially clipped by the breeder, but can still fly fairly well, although he does not fly for the fun of it like Ducky and Bluebell do. He flies to me if I leave the room instead of screaming for attention, like a fully clipped bird would. Also, not only do birds get great joy from flying, they also get much needed exercise. Flying is as important to a bird's health as it is for their happiness. A bird in flight for only a few minutes gets more exercise than a grounded bird gets all day. Climbing and walking are not sufficient for a bird to get enough exercise.

I respect everyone's opinions, however, this is mine and I'm just glad that my birds are able to get all the benefits of the flighted lifestyle that they were meant to live.

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Old 08-23-2017, 07:23 PM
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Re: should I let my conure sit on my shoulder?

Oh indeed I in "no clipping" group...only one thing might incline me different... that is having a bird that flys to attack. Ive not had that problem but some have. I do not sweat injury.. being able to make windows/doors safe for flighted birds. I did have to replace a lamp shade because they land on it then chew it to pieces. LOL no kidding... I replaced the lamp shade with a Bojangles chicken box and they wont land on it any more. Looks sorta "heehaw" but it works. )
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Old 08-24-2017, 03:49 AM
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Re: should I let my conure sit on my shoulder?

I will agree with clipping for safety. AKA flying into things. Doors and windows shouldn't be open when the bird is out even when clipped as they can still fly, so if they get outside it removes all the purpose of clipping. But getting into that argument isn't for here, it's an opinion ultimately. As long as you are thinking of your birds safety that's all that matters. Please don't take him out again without a harness, I know you hold him when animals are nearby and all that but anything can set him off. A bee, a leaf, absolutely nothing and poof gone bird. It doesn't even need to be windy for them to get the air under them, it just needs to be outside air and they can get lift
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