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Old 02-14-2018, 03:10 PM
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Re: Ug, Not again x___x

Again, thank you I'll be talking to my vet first before I do anything drastic, but you're right to point out that both instances have occurred during winter. I live in southern California, land of the eternal sunshine, but winter hits everywhere so it's still a possibility I can't ignore.
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Re: Ug, Not again x___x

My popcorn has epilepsy for unknown reasons. If it’s becoming a repeated thing, and if it really is grand mal, I strongly suggest a blood test after each seizure and taking regular anti-seizure medication. I had popcorn for almost 3 years before she had any indications of epilepsy. We went through all the different tests, and spent lots of time and money and extra stress for her in the hospital, and what it came down to was that was that from what we could tell by doing all reasonable and non-invasive tests, she had epilepsy. She now has Medicine she takes two times a day that I inject into a grape. It’s become a routine, And she has been on the medicine for close to five years, and she very rarely has an episode. When she does they are nowhere near as extreme, the Postictal stage is nowhere near as long, and she is a generally happier bird. I will say that my other bird Eli gets jealous of popcorn‘s medicine grape and so every morning and night they both get a grape and we call it taking our medicine. She has had no personality changes or side effects from the medication, and over time she has actually gone down in dosage. For her, leaving her wings unclipped also helps because she feels less trapped when she has a seizure and so she panics less and it doesn’t get as bad. I hope this helps. I understand firsthand the fear of giving medication that will be needed on a permanent basis to these tiny ones. I haven’t regretted it for minute. It gave me my baby girl back.

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Re: Ug, Not again x___x

I don't know if you have found the cause of Kermit's seizures yet, but I can tell you that it's a very frustrating situation in most all cases, because it's so difficult to discover what the cause is/was, and so many times they do it once, twice, or maybe a few times, and then it never happens again.

I wanted to comment on the Vitamin D3 deficiency causing her lack of absorption of calcium...that does not usually apply to birds or mammals at all, and if it is the cause of a calcium deficiency it's typically related to another metabolic disease that is actually causing all Vitamin D to not be absorbed. As far as Vitamin D3 deficiency being a common thing, that typically only applies to reptiles and amphibians, and this is the major reason that I strongly am against any type of UVB light for birds or mammals. It does little good but can cause horrible eye and skin issues, as well as blindness in birds and mammals.

Birds, mammals, etc. that are living in captivity don't get their Vitamin D3 from natural sunlight obviously, they get it from their food. So if a bird in captivity is getting a healthy, varied diet consisting of commercially bought pellets, seed mixes, and fresh veggies and fruits, unless they have a larger metabolic disease going on they don't need natural sunlight/artificial UVB light in order to make their own Vitamin D3...And that's the HUGE difference between reptiles/amphibians and birds, mammals, people, etc. is that while reptiles and amphibians absolutely must get Vitamin D3 from either natural sunlight or an artificial UVB light and not from their food, birds and mammals don't typically make their own Vitamin D3, they get enough from their fortified diets. Reptiles and amphibians (most of them) absolutely CANNOT MAKE their own Vitamin D3 without ample amounts of UVB light, as they do not absorb it from their food. And without enough UVB light, hence enough Vitamin D3, they cannot absorb Calcium, and their bodies start to leech the calcium out of their bones, causing Metabolic Bone Disease. Birds and mammals don't work this way, and thus artificial UVB light is not necessary in order for them to get enough Vitamin D3, nor does this impact their absorption of Calcium...that is unless their diet is horrible or they have a larger metabolic disease that is effecting nutrient absorption/processing...
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Re: Ug, Not again x___x

Thank you for sharing that. Popcorn is adorable ! It's been almost 5 months since her last episode. I did get a full panel bloodwork done her and my vet did not find anything amiss. I don't know if she's epileptic or if something else set her off. I did later discover some incense sticks in the bathroom which wasn't too far from where she had her first seizure. They've been promptly removed. The second time, she was too near my mom who had just dyed her hair. I'm hoping these were the underlying causes and good vigilance of her environment will prevent any future seizures. She otherwise has shown no other troubling symptoms that I can see -- good appetite, good quality droppings, lots of energy, and a relatively stable weight (sometimes I don't measure at the same time of day which can impact her weight, but within +/- 3 grams she's in the same range).

Thank you EllenD for mentioning that birds don't need a UVB light. I've seen a lot of people using them with their birds and I was seriously considering buying one. I'll stick instead to some outside time (in her cage) & making sure she's getting lots of veggies. To be on the safe side, I have been adding a little bit of cuttle bone shavings to her pellet mix. As a hen, I figured a little extra calcium would be good for her anyways. If at all possible, do you have any journal articles siting more depth into what you said?
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Re: Ug, Not again x___x

After a seizure (lasted 5 minutes, left leg weakness, stupor, blinking eyes), my wonderful Certified Avian Vet did blood work that showed the Rb's kidney function to be a bit off, and his red blood cell count a bit high. Both of which suggest poor blood oxygenation, or heart troule, for which he prescribed Vasotec. After two weeks, kidneys are normal, red blood cells not... we increased Vasotec dosage. No more seizures, so far.
Vet says the Rb is an old bird, after all (although you'd never guess it from his perpetual motion and noise), and he wasn't too worried about it at this point.
Hoping this helps.
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Re: Ug, Not again x___x

P.S.
I have Googled "parrot seizures" plus 'vasotec', 'blood panel', 'hematocrit', 'kidney function', etc., etc., and have found a lot of reading, some scholarly, peer-reviewed, much anecdotal, but all interesting...
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