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View Poll Results: Which parrot would be best for me?
Green-cheek Conure 4 26.67%
Sun Conure 1 6.67%
Other Conure 0 0%
Caique 0 0%
Cockatiel 10 66.67%
Indian Ringneck 0 0%
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Old 05-29-2018, 08:11 AM
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I voted green cheek because they are quieter then a sun conure. I havenít researched Sun Conures but I know from my research that GCC can be good with multiple people in the family which I think would be good in your situation.
I donít disagree with the folks that said no, but I also think it can work and has worked with young adults. Also younger people often have the time to spend training and playing which established adults often donít have.
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Old 05-29-2018, 08:11 AM
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Re: First Parrot

I understand the "Life Happens" at any point throughout your life, but you're missing the big point...YOU'RE 18, AND A LOT MORE LIFE WILL BE HAPPENING IN YOUR NEXT 4-5 YEARS THAN AT ANY OTHER POINT IN YOUR LIFE! That's the point we're trying to make...I don't know you, I don't know what you've been through personally, nor do I know that about anyone else on this forum. What I do know, and everyone else here knows, is that between the ages of 18 and 25 EVERYONE goes through the biggest changes in their lives they ever will, whether they go to college, or just start working and move-out of their parent's house, or they move-in with friends or a significant other, etc. So many changes and big events in a person's life happen at your age and for the next 4 or 5 years that there is no way for you to be stable, AND THAT'S A GOOD THING!!!

Maybe this will help you out a little, since you keep getting upset at the posts that are trying to recommend responsibility and waiting before taking-on such a time-consuming, needy type of pet, and you're loving and praising the 1 or 2 people who are telling you to just go ahead and get a parrot because "it will be a great experience", or essentially telling you what you WANT TO HEAR! You say you came here for the opinions and advice of experienced bird owners about whether you should get a baby parrot or not right now, at 18 years old, but you don't want to take the advice at all...So here's something to chew-on...

If you are truly as responsible and as stable in your life as you say that you are, and I'm not saying that you're not, then can you take a step-back from your "wants" for a minute (which it seems to me that you haven't done yet, as evident by your automatic loving of the 1 or 2 members who are telling you to just go ahead and get the bird), and instead, can you think first about the wants and needs of the little, baby parrot you're thinking of bringing into your life right now? What's fair to him? Let's say you go out and find a breeder and you bring home a hand-raised, baby Green Cheek Conure (because getting a Sun Conure is asking to get evicted, both from your parent's house and any apartment you might want to move into in the future, they are probably the loudest parrot you could choose)...And you love this bird, you spend every free moment with it for the next couple of years, and your family helps out when you're in class or you want to go out with friends, etc. You form an extremely strong-bond with your bird, and everything is right with the world...Then after a couple of years you meet a person and start dating them...and you fall in-love with them. They're the person that you are meant to spent the rest of your life with. So you decide to get an apartment and move-in with this person, who loves your bird too. So you and your significant-other, and your Green Cheek, move into your first apartment together, and everything seems perfect in your world...Until after you move-in together...suddenly your bird starts attacking your significant other. Every time you let him out of his cage he dive-bombs them and starts biting them. Why? Because this is a different situation. HE HAD YOU ALL TO HIMSELF FOR 2 YEARS, AND NOW HE'S SHARING YOU WITH THIS OTHER PERSON THAT USED TO JUST COME OVER AND THEN LEAVE...NOW THEY DON'T LEAVE ANYMORE! You try everything, you try training, you clip his wings so he can't dive-bomb them, but it gets to the point that the bird is spending all of his time in his cage because he can't come out and have your significant-other be safe...and this situation is causing extreme stress in your relation with them. You love your bird very much, and you love your partner very much...BUT THIS ISN'T FAIR TO YOUR BIRD ANYMORE...What do you do? And if you had WAITED TO GET A BIRD UNTIL AFTER YOUR FIRST MAJOR LIFE-CHANGE, WOULD THIS HAVE HAPPENED?

You might think this is extreme, but there are several current posts on this forum right now regarding similar situations, and the owners don't know what to do...Now, I'm 38, I've lived with partners before, I've lived in apartments before, and I've gone through similar issues before. I've always had birds and at least one dog, and they have caused huge issues within relationships before, specifically AFTER I have moved-in with another person, because big changes in my life equal big changes in the lives of my pets...dogs recover quickly, they aren't as fickle or nearly as sensitive as parrots are. But the bottom-line here is that I'm old enough to know that my responsibilities lie first with my pets, as I have chosen to bring them into my life, I have made that commitment to them, they're my family and that's just the way it is. If someone else doesn't like them or the situation I'm in with them, then that's their choice, and though it may hurt me to have to make that choice, it's already been made, well before I met the person...

That being said, you're only 18 years old, and you haven't even begun to start living yet. You've never lived outside of your parent's home. You've never been in such a serious relationship with another person that you have moved-in together with them. You've never had a real job with real income. You've not ever had ANY responsibility to anyone else but yourself (well, and your family that you live with, by default). So you really need to take a step-back and forget about this burning desire that you have right now to get a bird, and instead think about what is going to be fair to that bird when one of these HUGE LIFE CHANGES happens to you in the next few years. It could happen tomorrow, it could happen 2 years from now, but it's going to happen. And I'll say it again, HUGE CHANGES IN YOUR LIFE EQUAL HUGE CHANGES IN YOUR BIRD'S LIFE! And once again, a parrot is not like a dog or a cat or a reptile or a ferret or a rabbit...Parrots are SOOOOOO effected by every little change that happens to them, they are just like human beings in that respect.

This is where we all are coming from. We think of the birds first. And that's the difference between us and all of the people rehoming their parrots on Craigslist right now. Not that those are bad people or anything, they're not. As you wisely said, "Life-Happens at any age", and you're correct, it does...

HOWEVER, the difference between life-happening at 18 and life-happening at 30 is that YOU KNOW LIFE IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS AT 18!!! IT'S AVOIDABLE, IT'S PREVENTABLE!!!
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Old 05-29-2018, 08:15 AM
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Cockatiels are really sweet, I have two, but they don’t have that bold cantankerous personality of the conures and amazons. I know very little about the other breeds. From what you wrote the cockatiel is easier and quite but I don’t think it will satisfy you. I got my first cockatiel when I was off work and couldn’t afford what I really wanted. My cockatiels were given too me. I love them but I still wanted a Conure.
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Old 05-29-2018, 08:53 AM
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Re: First Parrot

I think what most people are saying is there's a reason why the terms fid and parront are used. If you read around here, having a parrot is like having a toddler. Now if you're cool with being tied down with a human toddler, dragging a human toddler through the most transitioning years of your life, centering the rest of your life around a human toddler, by all means you might be ready for a bird I guess. Because these birds have that level of emotional and intellectual capacity - they don't emotionally bounce back like cats or dogs or horses do, they tend to self-harm instead. If you think you'll do right by that bird toddler (not for selfish reasons of 'I want a bird'), then by all means, go ahead.

But the community here wants to put the life of that innocent little bird child in the forefront of discussion, hence some of the questions being asked of you. I think most of us have been in your position before, and so just some reassurance regarding positioning of the little one in your life will help the conversation and perhaps after the reassurance, some of your questions can be tackled by the community members. Otherwise, I just anticipate more back-and-forth where some members aren't sure you understand the gravitas and you getting frustrated that your questions aren't answered directly.

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@EllenD

I'm not praising the people saying the positives, I'm praising those who give me actual advice. Almost the entire first page are people shutting me down simply because of my age. That's not what I came here to hear, I actually came here for the purpose of recommendations for an actual parrot. Which, many people are not providing. I don't disagree with your points, or anyone elses, and I never said that I did. I just don't appreciate people practically nagging on about the same points, over and over, and to not to mention points that I've already thought of myself. 'Life happening' was literally the first thing I thought of when I began seriously considering brining a parrot into my life, acknowledging that it's a 20-30 year commitment. Again, I never dismissed any of these points, but I only chose to acknowledge people giving me the advice I originally asked for. But it's worth noting I never got upset by certain responses, so I think you may have misjudged the tone of my responses. Like I said, I've been researching for months, and I belive that understand the situation completely.
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Old 05-29-2018, 02:48 PM
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Re: First Parrot

MGMork, did you ever set up that "meet and greet" with the breeder? Was curious if your family got to experience sounds of these feathered toddlers.
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Quote: Originally Posted by DoubleTake View Post
MGMork, did you ever set up that "meet and greet" with the breeder? Was curious if your family got to experience sounds of these feathered toddlers.
I did! He didn't have any GCCs available at that time, but he did have Suns which we got to all interact with... Everyone was very pleased, to say the least! Instant love all around.
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Old 05-30-2018, 01:09 AM
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Sunnies ARE loud, thats species-wide. There aren't any sunnies that are not loud. HOWEVER, some sunnies are "noisier" than others. The noise can be curbed, but the loudness cannot. Unfortunately, their loud 'ear-piercing' screeches leave humans (including bird-lovers) with limited tolerance.

I find that having Skittles free-flighted has made an enormous difference in his noisiness. It's virtually non-existent now. When he gets noisy there is ALWAYS a reason and addressing that reason is, the issue is curbed. There ARE times where he gets noisy to get his way, but timeouts take care of those. He 'tries' to get away with naughty things on a daily basis. As cute as it is to see him try to be 'sneaky', my persistent re-direction and limit-enforcing keeps that from getting out of hand.

That's why having a great deal of 'free-time' to interact with your sun conure is so essential. The more time you spend with them, the quieter they are likely to be. As such, given my routine, going out for 2-3 hrs each day doesn't cause an issue with him. He gets PLENTY of out-of-cage time so he is fine while I'm gone, I just leave the radio on.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Skittys_Daddy View Post
Sunnies ARE loud, thats species-wide. There aren't any sunnies that are not loud. HOWEVER, some sunnies are "noisier" than others. The noise can be curbed, but the loudness cannot. Unfortunately, their loud 'ear-piercing' screeches leave humans (including bird-lovers) with limited tolerance.

I find that having Skittles free-flighted has made an enormous difference in his noisiness. It's virtually non-existent now. When he gets noisy there is ALWAYS a reason and addressing that reason is, the issue is curbed. There ARE times where he gets noisy to get his way, but timeouts take care of those. He 'tries' to get away with naughty things on a daily basis. As cute as it is to see him try to be 'sneaky', my persistent re-direction and limit-enforcing keeps that from getting out of hand.

That's why having a great deal of 'free-time' to interact with your sun conure is so essential. The more time you spend with them, the quieter they are likely to be. As such, given my routine, going out for 2-3 hrs each day doesn't cause an issue with him. He gets PLENTY of out-of-cage time so he is fine while I'm gone, I just leave the radio on.
Good to know! I think, after hearing what I've heard, I'm leaning towards a GCC... If I do end up chosing a conure at all, that is! But thanks for the info!
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MGMork I'm not trying to be pushy...just want to make sure you saw the post that described our lovebird?
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