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Old 08-07-2018, 02:00 PM
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Re: chelation for my conure?!? help please !!

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The more I think about this, the more I think that this vet automatically assumed heavy-metal poisoning based on the reason your brought your bird in to him in the first place (signs/symptoms he was displaying), and this vet did blood-work to test for heavy-metal poisoning and that's it, that's all he did was blood-work. And when the blood-work came back as negative for heavy-metal poisoning, this vet just went to you and said something like "Well, the blood-work doesn't show heavy-metal poisoning, but that's probably what it is, his symptoms are "classic" for heavy-metal poisoning. So what we'll do is just do the Chelation-Therapy anyway, because that's probably what it is, and then if we finish the Chelation-Therapy and he's still not any better, THEN we'll do an exploratory Endoscopy to see exactly what's going on"....

Am I close? I hope not, but that's exactly what it sounds like....Once again, Chelation-Therapy helps with nothing but moving metal through the GI Tract and out of the body, that's it, and it's extremely painful and can kill your bird...Not to mention that your bird could very well die from what is actually wrong with him if it has nothing at all to do with him ingesting metal...If he ingested something else it could perforate his GI Tract and he could die from internal bleeding, infection, etc...If this vet didn't do a regular x-ray then you need to get a second-opinion immediately, because I have a horrible feeling about the outcome of this situation, and i don't want to come on here in a week or so and find that your bird has passed-away and you have no idea why. Nor do I want your bird to needlessly suffer through Chelation-Therapy when he doesn't need it, as not only is it horribly awful for them to go through, but it can also kill them.
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Re: chelation for my conure?!? help please !!

okay, I think there's a simple question that hasn't been answered here.

What EXACTLY did they say is wrong with your bird?

A lot of things are poisonous and only Metal is helped by Chelation therapy. If the blood work shows normal levels of lead and zinc (which you said it does) then that Chelation therapy is doing nothing but giving his body something else to fight. Think of it like this, would you give Chemo to someone with Salmonella or something similar? That's essentially what's happening now. Then talk of surgery! What for!? This vet sounds either like they are dodgy and not actually CERTIFIED in avian medicine or they're a blithering idiot essentially performing malpractice on your bird right now, torturing them and charging you for it. Surgery on a bird is risky at best of times, let alone after being weakened by Chelation therapy and especially if the vet doesn't actually know what is up with them.

Honestly what I would do right now is get all the info you have of tests done by the current vet, get an emergency appointment with another certified avian vet (not an exotics, not a vet who 'deals with birds' not a dog and cat vet certified to work with dogs and cats but who will see a bird, not a farm vet, a true proper licensed certified avian vet. Ask to see their certification, if they can't provide it then don't give them the time of day), then go get in the car and drive to that vet and ask them to actually test your bird and tell you what is wrong with them.

Right now all that is happening is your bird is effectively being tortured potentially to death and you're quite literally paying for it
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Re: chelation for my conure?!? help please !!

Quote: Originally Posted by LordTriggs View Post
okay, I think there's a simple question that hasn't been answered here.

What EXACTLY did they say is wrong with your bird?

A lot of things are poisonous and only Metal is helped by Chelation therapy. If the blood work shows normal levels of lead and zinc (which you said it does) then that Chelation therapy is doing nothing but giving his body something else to fight. Think of it like this, would you give Chemo to someone with Salmonella or something similar? That's essentially what's happening now. Then talk of surgery! What for!? This vet sounds either like they are dodgy and not actually CERTIFIED in avian medicine or they're a blithering idiot essentially performing malpractice on your bird right now, torturing them and charging you for it. Surgery on a bird is risky at best of times, let alone after being weakened by Chelation therapy and especially if the vet doesn't actually know what is up with them.

Honestly what I would do right now is get all the info you have of tests done by the current vet, get an emergency appointment with another certified avian vet (not an exotics, not a vet who 'deals with birds' not a dog and cat vet certified to work with dogs and cats but who will see a bird, not a farm vet, a true proper licensed certified avian vet. Ask to see their certification, if they can't provide it then don't give them the time of day), then go get in the car and drive to that vet and ask them to actually test your bird and tell you what is wrong with them.

Right now all that is happening is your bird is effectively being tortured potentially to death and you're quite literally paying for it

Exactly...something is very wrong here, but apparently the OP doesn't want to give any details so we can council him, and that's his choice...I just hope that he has read all of our posts and takes them to heart, because putting a bird through a month-long chelation-therapy for no reason at all is just irresponsible and cruel on the vet's part...I'm really hoping that this vet actually did an x-ray and visibly saw the metal on it, as metal is very easy to spot on a plain x-ray. If that's the case then chelation-therapy may or may not be warranted, it depends on what type of metal it is and where it is in his GI Tract, but at least they'd have a diagnosis...

I have a very bad feeling about this one, for the sake of the bird I hope I'm very wrong, but if the poor thing goes through chelation-therapy for a month, which will absolutely make him extremely ill with nausea, vomiting, loss of appetite, lethargy, etc., putting him under anesthesia and performing a surgery after he's gone through that and is sick and weak is almost certain to not end well...I just hope there's an explanation that makes sense that we simply do not know...
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Re: chelation for my conure?!? help please !!

Same here Ellen, I hope OP has possibly missed a detail or something and that their Conure does have some metal in them which the Chelation should help with

if not something very strange and frightening is going on
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Re: chelation for my conure?!? help please !!

Quote: Originally Posted by apollomac View Post
thanks everyone! his vet is a certified in avian medicine and he let me know that the blood work taken showed normal levels of lead and zinc, so we’re just going to continue with chelation for the month and if it doesn’t help than he’ll need surgery😞
While zinc and lead are the two most likely offenders, other metals can cause issues. See this link for a good description of metal poisoning causes and symptoms: https://thegabrielfoundation.org/wp-...LafeberVet.pdf

Lab work is helpful in diagnosis, but an X-Ray is good confirmation of actual presence of metals.

I'd respectfully approach the vet for clarification, and seek a second opinion!
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Re: chelation for my conure?!? help please !!

The fact that the OP never came back and kind of fled quickly after giving that troubling end-result leads me to believe that something happened here, or something is going on that we don't know about. I don't think we're going to hear anything more from the OP, so I only hope that this ends well, for the bird's sake, as Chelation Therapy is no joke, they get very, very sick from it, and it lasts for weeks typically.

I can't imagine any Certified Avian Vet doing Chelation-Therapy on a "Just in-case" or "Precautionary" basis, let alone without first doing a plain-film x-ray, which should always be the very first thing that is done when it's suspected that a bird ingests anything at all, as it could be causing an emergent obstruction in the GI Tract or even the airway, etc. It's common sense and Veterinary Medicine 101. I hate to be accusatory or make assumptions, but I'd bet my life that this bird never saw an Avian Vet, and probably saw no Vet at all, as what the OP is saying just isn't how this would go down at all. My guess is that the OP was poking-around for home-remedies and as much information about chelation-therapy as he cold find, as he didn't want to or couldn't afford to take his bird to a vet..And as you can order Chelation-Solutions online, I'm afraid that this is what is actually going on. I hope that I am way off-base and very, very wrong...
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