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Old 08-09-2018, 03:52 PM
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Hi there, thanks for reaching out and beginning this great quest of parrot ownership! It's the best.

Your situation sounds a lot like mine -- me and my spouse work M-F 8-5 full-time. We have two cats, a big dog and two birds (cockatiels). I'm one of those people that also loves all animals, not just one kind, so it's not an option to rehome them or just have one species in my house.

When you are careful and take precautions, all animals can live in peace and harmony. For instance...

- Cats and dog have free roam of the house during the day and night when birds are caged.

- When birds come out of the cage, cats get put in their room. One of my cats has shown too much interest in my birds so he is not to be trusted at all. No risks taken here. My dog is well-trained and has been taught to 'freeze' when birds take flight around the room. He's a very well-behaved dog with little prey drive.

- If you plan to get a dog in the future, stay away from the high prey drive breeds like Huskies, who will chase cats and go after bids without a second thought.

- With more animals remember that means more time split between them. Make sure you have time to integrate your bitd into your morning routine so when you're getting ready, your bird can hang out with you and get some attention before you go to work!


Here's our daily (work day) routine with a multi-pet household....

- Get up at 6, let dog out. Feed cats and close door to their room. Feed dog.

-6:30am-7:30am birds come out of cages, eat breakfast on top of the cage and fly around living room. Ember sits on my shoulder while I apply my makeup.

- 7:45am I let the cats out of their room before I go to work since birds are back in their cages by now.

- 11:15 home for lunch, dog let outside and cats put in their room, birds let out of their cage for 25 minutes. Let cats out when I go back to work at 11:45am.

5:15pm - get home and let dog out. Make dinner/run errands and around 7pm cats are put back into their room and birds let out from 7-9pm. Cats let back out for night.


It's do-able, but it definitely takes some time management to make it work. Of course the schedule changes on weekends when we're at home all day and can let the birds out multiple times and I can put them back in their cage to give the cats and dog some love. It is a commitment to make it work but so worth ti! I love my zoo
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Re: Will I ever own a bird?

@noodles123 Thank you!

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.The frail nature of a bird +temperature constraints+ behavioral issues+ damage threshold etc....
Can you or someone else elaborate a little on that? I am aware that air quality is key for birds, so are certain toxins (paints, plants, ...). How sensitive are they to temperature etc.? I've also been researching chinchillas at some point (as I said, I do love animals ) and they are highly sensitive to temperature and humidity. Similar with fish (I do have a tank). So I know about sensitive animals - but again, I just don't know much about birds, yet.

What behavioral issues?

@itzjbean thank you so much for the insight! That indeed sounds a lot like my (hypothetical future) situation.

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- If you plan to get a dog in the future, stay away from the high prey drive breeds like Huskies, who will chase cats and go after bids without a second thought.
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Old 08-09-2018, 08:55 PM
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Re: Will I ever own a bird?

I am one of those people that don't believe cats belong in the same household as birds. First, it seems you are trying to juggle little time between the different pets needs. this won't work in the long term. IMO this is not fair to the individual pets. Birds will be fine with you working outside the home. I am retired now but worked 50 hours a week all my life and the birds had no ill effects.They have plenty of toys, foraging opportunities,etc to keep them occupied. Their cages are by the window and can always look out at what is happening outside. In fact I think I tire them out with me being home more now that I am retired. BUT, when I came home they were out of their cages always. I didn't have other animals so the time was all theirs. I also had multiple birds so they were never alone. Getting a pair of the same species might not be good if you are wanting to bond with the bird. They tend to bond to each other. We go on vacations probably 2x year and occasional weekends away. I have a bird sitter that comes in 2X day and tends to their needs. The birds are fine. But my sitter is a bird person and is comfortable handling birds and spends some time with them.
If you are planning to relocate internationally, I would not get a bird unless you do thorough research if the bird can move with you. Often that is not the case and then the bird would end up without their home. I know from taking on 2 rehomed birds it is not always an easy transition for the bird. Birds are a big commitment in time and work if you intend to do right by the bird. They need vet care also.
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Old 08-10-2018, 02:05 AM
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Re: Will I ever own a bird?

Ankaa, sounds like you've got a good plan already!

My last dog didn't care about the birds and my last cat didn't, either... I had the birds in their own room except for two I had recently taken in as surrenders, which I kept in my own room. My cat one day chose to sit next to their cage and completely ignored them. However, she saw a bird sitting outside and started chattering to the outside bird! She fell quite short in the hunting department... and used to scare the crap out of the birds, but never harmed them! She went around pulling up the heater vents, crawling through the space underneath the floors and popping up in the bird room. Her brother on the other hand? He was a hunter, through and through! Never ate his kills, but he did enjoy playing with them until they died... unfortunately for him (and fortunately for me!), his hips were too wide to fit through the vents!

Back then, the birds rarely saw the cats and the cats rarely saw the birds, but it did happen every now and then. I would occasionally take one or two birds out (these being conures, not any of my smaller birds! and my conures are/were the larger species! or at least medium and large?) and have them out with me in the living space. As much as the male was a hunter, he would not out-right attack one of the birds, so it was only done with supervision, and of course if he ever showed too much interest (which was rare), then he'd get put away. (aka put up in a room with the door closed) In their early years, they were indoor/outdoor (against my wishes), but after the male got sick from something, they were forced to be indoor cats only. (I've grown up with cats being indoor/outdoor pets and I'm against it! If they go outside, they must be restrained in some form or another)



My current cat hasn't met the birds yet so I'm not sure how he would react to them. I feel like he is probably a hunter as well. He was picked up as a stray and he seems comfortable going outside unrestrained, which has only happened once or twice so far, and he was quickly nabbed and taken back in. Tonight, I actually took him to a park near by to try and get him used to being in a car and being outside on a harness. He's not comfortable in strange places or walking in a harness. The ideal situation would actually be to get him comfortable enough with car rides to take him to work. I actually did take him to work when I first got him, but car rides stress him out, which in turn stresses me out! Took my dog to work last year when I had him, it's amazing I was able to bring him back home! (my boss/her family fell in love with him!) I'd *love* to take the birds with me to work, and I'm allowed to, but it's not a good place for them at this time. I work in a warehouse and it's either too hot or too cold for birds... dog or cat? Not overly concerned as long as it's not too hot.

My birds, conure(s) included, have done fine with me being at school and work. Obviously, he'd rather have me at home than away! But I've never had any noise complaints from neighbors! Charlie, mitred conures, was actually the loudest bird in his foster home, which included macaws, amazons, green cheek conures, rosellas... and even in my flock, he's still the loudest! BUT it's not incessant screaming. He's not loud for long periods of time.


I understand about budgies and lovebirds! I get it, I really do! It's why I refused to take the parrotlet! I have a freakin adorable photo of her snuggled up in my S.O.'s arms (her owner couldn't handle her like we were doing) but nope! Too small!

Right now, when I spend time with my birds, it's in the bird room or I take them somewhere with me, such as bird club meetings. I would love to have a home setup someday though where they can spend more time in the living area! Just not feasible right now.

Sun conures can be loud in both pitch and quantity. It is really hard to hear their exact scream through a video.


As far as the "violet" conures... check out this page!

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Or video!



Yikes! I was in New Zealand in February 2011, but before the earthquake. I don't remember if I was landing back in the USA from that trip or elsewhere, I just remember turning my phone on and seeing people freaking out because they knew I was in New Zealand and there was the earthquake! Second time I've missed devastating event like that... first one was in the 90's, left Florida and the day after a hurricane hit? Vague memories but was glad to be away from that!


Maui is a gorgeous island, and the first one I've visited! I wish I could have seen the wild flock of conures living there! I hear they are quite a nuisance though! LOL Which, unfortunately, isn't good for the island...



If you can do multiple cages, great! If not, that's okay, too! Some people have their bird cages in the central living area, while others have the cage in another room but a play stand in the central living area. You just gotta find what works best for you!

Many bird owners spend mornings and/or evenings with their birds (besides their weekends) so evening time isn't a bad thing as long as the bird still gets an adequate amount of sleep which should be a minimum of 9 hours, but most people tote 12 hours. My birds go to sleep with the sun and they wake with the sun! So the amount of sleep they get varies depending upon the time of year.
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Re: Will I ever own a bird?

Again, thank you so much for your posts - I'm learning so much

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it seems you are trying to juggle little time between the different pets needs. this won't work in the long term. IMO this is not fair to the individual pets.
I understand your concerns and I do thank you for voicing them!

In my personal experience, time requirements for pets can't be generalized and it more often than not is a matter of quality over quantity.

For example, our cats literally sleep north of 15 hrs a day and spend the majority of their wake hours just sitting around chilling - even when I'm home all-day. They're very content with just sitting in the window looking outside, sitting/sleeping next to me on my desk, sitting on our lap when we watch TV. Just being in the same room with us seems to be satisfying for them ....they will play with the laserpointer when we offer it. They will play with each other. But it's really minusucle compared to the hours of the day. The most time consuming thing with them is probably cleaning their litter boxes...

The same with dogs. It certainly depends on the breed, but while some people think (and act upon) that dogs need to be walked at least 2 hours twice a day, and this might be true for high-energy breeds like Huskies, this just is not the case for other breeds. For example, Golden Retrievers are hunting dogs, they've literally been breed to wait for hours at a time. For them, breed-appropriate engagement can be as little as sending them on 3, 4 blinds and retrieves...30 mins actively working them. You can do clicker training with them. Anything that involves a lot of cognitive engagement is more about quality, really. Of course you can take them on hour-long hikes, too. It just doesn't NEED to be hours and hours on end.

I'm not trying to be defensive or sugarcoat my situation. The truth is, while I have a really good feel what I need to offer to give cats, dogs, ...fish, rodents a good living, I just have zero experience with birds. And that's why I'm asking, to eventually make an informed decision

When people say 2-3 hours a day quality time for the bird, I have no idea what "quality time" entails for a parrot. What do they DO when outside the cage? Is "quality time" sitting on my shoulder" See, interacting with my cats or dogs, I know how to "play" with them...but how to I entertain a bird? What does the bird expect from me? Can "quality time" include the bird being in its cage and me working in the same room, talking to him, just "being there",...?

What do I as the attachment figure need to provide what they don't get from a big cage and toys (please don't misinterpret these words, I realize they may come across wrong - of course they NEED time out of the cage and human interaction, no question here)



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If you are planning to relocate internationally, I would not get a bird unless you do thorough research if the bird can move with you. Often that is not the case and then the bird would end up without their home. ent in time and work if you intend to do right by the bird. They need vet care also.
I'm not planning anything at the moment (and after all, it's the reason why I'm not getting a bird right now though I'd really WANT one or two and all other circumstances seem pretty perfect). But the reality in my profession is that some things just can't be planned indefinitely. I'd also never abandon any of my pets. They are family - one would never leave their kids behind, now would they? My hubby worked at the local humane society for a bit and it was awful to see how many pets get left behind because people were moving (especially in such a transitionary place as Hawaii). It always felt like people didn't even want to try to put in some effort (and/or money). Like, if you're moving houses and the new place doesn't allow pets, then for god's sake this is not the right place for you (and heck, I know firsthand how hard house hunting is on-island - I was looking for a place with 3 cats and still managed to find accommodation, three times...). It actually makes me very very angry.
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Re: Will I ever own a bird?

You're getting wonderful input, and clearly, you're open-minded enough to consider it all. As has been voiced above several times, I really like your sense of responsibility and preparedness. Will you ever be owned by a bird? I bet so, and I believe that you'll know when circustances are right.
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Thank you, GaleriaGila!

It may be my scientific personality, but I always research any topic that would mean major change and/or commitment to get as many information and first-hand experiences as possible and see all angles beforehand to be as prepared as possible. Always have, probably always will Even if rescuing a bird is still a few years away, I just like to be prepared - and I also just love to inform myself on topics of interest, and right now that parrots I for sure will continue reading here in the forums

That being said, I'd really love to learn a little more abut the different species. For example, I do understand that conures, especially sun conures, are loud. But that can mean a LOT of things in reality ("loud" is, after all, quite subjective).

For example, I just came across that video. I'm sure the noise level is accurate, but do they scream like that all. the. time? Or is this more of a temporary thing? I already read suggestions how to handle screaming here in some threads, but then again, sun conures particularly might be different...


Also, I keep reading that sun conures are not recommended for first-time bird parents - why is that?

Of course the bird rescue close to my parents' currently has both a turquoise GCC and a sun conure. In the words of Robin on HIMYM: timing is a bi*ch
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Depending on the bird, that could be all the time, some of the time, or none of the time. Usually between some of the time and all of the time.
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Re: Will I ever own a bird?

Wow, that's a lot of sun conures!

I have heard some say that suns are not recommended as first birds. It's probably from their decibel level but I don't see them being completely overwhelming and daunting as, say, a cockatoo or eclectus, etc. I think anyone can make it work with enough dedication and commitment. I also look at the person inquiring. Someone who is young and at the mercy of their parents who may be sensitive to noise? I might recommend a less loud bird.
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I was sitting outside in Waikiki, yesterday, enjoying some morning coffee, when suddenly...*screech screech*....and me like: *turning head * Conure! Didn't see any, so not sure if it was a "wild" one (not sure if they have feral conures in Waikiki - I only ever see large flocks of green parrots...don't ask me which ones) or whether I could actually here it from one of the appartments above (which isn't totally unrealistic ). Do GGC scream similar to Suns?

I think I caught a bug
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