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Old 08-09-2018, 02:36 PM
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It will come... no worries.

My macaw is a sturdy 10 year old, she has had multiple homes/ places to live, so she is used to a bit of change.
It took her weeks to get out of her cage when she arrived.

Your bird is doing great (well apart from flying of course ).
Sometimes step-up is difficult for them because fingers wel...are a bit squishy and if to keep your hand not very very still it is kind of scary for a new bird that is still building trust in you.
Have you tried a smallish stick?
Your bird will still be very close to your hand and you can switch from stick to finger later on.

Oh and did you ask him to step (higher) up or straight ahead?
Stepping downward or straight ahead is more difficult, while climbing 'up' is natural for them. I would start with a finger not at toelevel, but a fingerwidth higher.

If your bird is not scared of your hand outside the cage... you can clean the bars first, and if your bird is okay with that .. try working in the cage. Keeping things clean is important (and is also makes it easier to check if they are eating& pooping well every day).

It sounds you are doing great!
Just keep it up- you are already listening when you bird tells you "enough".
There is no rule against trying the things you want him to learn as long as you let your bird decide if he is ready to go along ...

Slow and steady is the trick - and I think you've got it.

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Old 08-09-2018, 02:39 PM
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Re: getting frustrated and confused

so you aren't really answering my questions just saying dont give up. I dont know what specific steps to take to bond with my bird and I am asking for help, not just "hey you dont know much about birds so learn"
I dont really understand why forums are always like this.
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Old 08-09-2018, 02:41 PM
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Re: getting frustrated and confused

Thank you Christa
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Old 08-09-2018, 02:48 PM
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Re: getting frustrated and confused

Google: Applied Behavior Analysis-----
If it took me 5+ years (for a degree etc), I can't really just summarize it in a paragraph, but parrots are more complicated than humans (even though the same ABA is used with humans), so yeah....Don't give up!

And also, know that I mean what I say...I am not a jerk...I have a lot of experience....I am sorry you feel this way, but it will take work..This forum is a great start, but you need to dig as deep as it takes, as you adopted the bird.

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Old 08-09-2018, 02:50 PM
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Re: getting frustrated and confused

What you don't see as progress, really is. Four days after a huge change in his life and he is willing to take treats and is interested in what you do. That's awesome! There's good info in bonding and trust building. Sit next to the cage and read outloud to him. No one has a magic pill.. take the weekend to do some reading and research while you sit with him.
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Old 08-09-2018, 02:56 PM
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Re: getting frustrated and confused

conureconnie, you just hang in there, and love that little bird with all your heart. Stick with it, and stick with us, and this will work out.
There are days when my bird acts a LOT like that, still. I swear. Lower your expectations, keep working at it, dump some of that pressure off yourself, and breathe. Quit frnknly, I think you have made some wonderful progress already. Some people ait ages for a bird to take a treat in their presence.
I know what it means to ache with love and wish an animal would realize that and bond fully and wonderfully with you. I know, I really do. Sometimes the greatest love is accepting.
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Old 08-09-2018, 03:09 PM
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Re: getting frustrated and confused

Hi Connie. We understand your frustration and confusion. This is a common issue when getting a new bird, so let me walk you through it.

First, be sure to read this thread - Tips for Bonding and Building Trust

Remember that birds are not like cats and dogs who will instantly love you and shower you with kisses and affection. Sometimes you get lucky with a very friendly, trusting, affectionate bird that wants to trust you right away, but sometimes you get a bird that is unsure of being handled and is not as trusting.

What your job now is to work on gaining his trust.

What you should be doing during this time is simply this -- making sure every single interaction with your new bird is POSITIVE so he can learn to trust you and associate you with only good things. When he trusts you, he will begin to be more accepting of your hand, and will be more willing to train and step up onto you. So sit by his cage and talk softly to him. Continue to feed him treats through the cage bars. Whistle at him. Offer treats inside his cage with your hand, but don't force him to do anything just yet. Remember, 4 days is not much time! Some birds take WEEKS or even MONTHS to trust their new caregiver enough to let them handle them. Just be patient and know this is a marathon, not a sprint.

If he has a treat he realllllly likes, put that in a part of the cage away from his food bowls so it will keep him busy for a few moments while you switch out food and water. Work calmly always around him, don't get upset if he tries to bite or lunge.

If you're getting bit a lot, you're not listening to his body language and need to respect his boundaries. Birds bite for a number of reasons but biting can be essentially eliminated if you remember to watch for the right signals -- beak open, eyes pinned, wings spread, defensive posture, that's the sign to back off and take a step back.

As long as you continue to do what you're doing without pushing his boundaries, then he should learn to trust you in time (could take a couple weeks, months, but just be patient.) You sound like you are doing all the right things, your new bird just needs some more time to get to know you.

You can always leave the cage door open and watch as he comes out on his own. You can encourage him to come out on his own if he likes, so let him choose to stay in or come out. After you've earned his trust (and he's readily taking treats from your hand, stepping onto your hand) then you can begin some more training like target training, flight recall, step up and things like that!
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Re: getting frustrated and confused

Should I leave the cage door open when I am not able to get him back in the cage?
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Old 08-09-2018, 04:29 PM
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Re: getting frustrated and confused

Yup - birds know / remember where they find food and water.
So after a while they will try to get back there.

Your bird does not fly, so maybe a ladder or branch can help him get to the cage.

(Sorry if we overestemated you... you decribed what you did with your bird and you did so great I just asumed you already knew a LOT!
Sometimes I read people not very well - but I think you are a natural, you are doing all the right things already. Read the link itzjbean gave you- it's a really good one!)
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Re: getting frustrated and confused

Dont chase him if he gets out. Approach calmly and offer your hand, or a short perch or stick for him to step up into. Most all birds want to be rescued when they are on the floor or unfamiliar space. Just wait till they settle the aprouch him calmly talking softly. When you get him perched on you or something take him back to the cage slowly and let him jump back in. You can even then keep the door open and sit in a chair near the door, and talk to him offer him a treat, they love saffel flower seeds , those all white ones. If he feels safe he may come back out to say hi again. Keep your body sideways, they get fearful if you stare at them intently. When you look at him make your eyes soft, blink slowly a long slow blink. To prevent him spooking in the first place, give him a treat, then open the door give him a treat, place your hand just inside the door, wait if he moved away, move your hand further in slowly and wait. Don't chase with your hand wait. If he moved to an area in the cage he feels safe in, keep that amount of space between you while you slowly while you empty a food bowl or water bowl. If you are trying to clean with a paper towel or something in your hand that may be to Scarry for him right now. Instead wait till you have him trusting stepping on your hand and place him in a perch on top of his cage then clean. Birds are very fearful of new objects. I can't clean with palertowels or rag unless I move my bird to a PlayStation even though I've had her for six years. She sees palertowels as green cheek killers. It's a lot of repeating steps. It's taken me weeks to have a parakeet step into my hand. I just placed my hand in the open cage and waited till the freak out was over then removed my hand, repeated in fifteen minutes or a half hour , or several times a day. When they stopped freaking out about my hand being in the cage just barely, I out it further in and repeated untill they weren't scared, then closer till they were scared. You already have him coming for treats, each small step is progress, you are shaping his behavior towards you in a positive manner. . I hope this helps you.

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