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Old 01-04-2019, 02:52 PM
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Re: Horrible, Sudden Aggression in Green Cheek Conure

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Cut down the fruit right now! Fruit twice a week Max. Veggies every day .
I do not give her fruit often. Like you said, I do it twice a week and rarely ever three times a week.
She also gets her veggies in her everyday food.
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Old 01-04-2019, 03:20 PM
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Re: Horrible, Sudden Aggression in Green Cheek Conure

The new bird Sky can have her upset too, takes a lot of reassurance to the first bird that they aren't being replaced. They need ten to twelve hours of sleep every night, I have mine on a natural daylight , but with you getting up so late you'll have to work it different, do you work or go to school at night?
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Old 01-04-2019, 03:33 PM
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Re: Horrible, Sudden Aggression in Green Cheek Conure

I had Sky way before Navi. When I got Navi, I let her spend time with Sky to see what would happen but immediately separated them when she began to turn aggressive.

I go to school but I don't open the covers up when I leave. I tell my mom to do so at around 11am or 12pm. Their bedtime is also 9pm.
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Re: Horrible, Sudden Aggression in Green Cheek Conure

Just my thoughts....


You showed her for a long time that biting gets her what she wants, anytime she wants it:
(so she is well trained biter by now)


A beginning: " Sure, she would give me nips but that's when she got annoyed by something I was doing and I would stop immediately. "
(she dictates your actions, every single time, a potantial dicator is born)


B then: "I carefully stuck my hand in the cage, trying not to spook her, but she suddenly bit me; really, really hard."
(you are unsure, hesitant, acting scared, so she is invited to be the dominant)


C I tried again and got the same result : a painful bite. -----> I simply just called it a day and tried again tomorrow, but got the exact same thing.
(Oh, yes, same result everytime, you give in, you give up, she wins, she rules !)


D progressing to " She'll even run up to you and bite anything that's closest to her. "
(even outside my cage, I am all powerfiull, oh yea!)


mixed with (ABCD etc) the rest of 'the flock' is even worse: "Not only that, she's aggressive to my mother and my brother, who've been loving her ever since I got her. Any ideas? "
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as always (it happens with puppies, kittens etc.etc.) plenty of love, but no discipline will give you a terrible housemate in the end.

Your parrot has not been taught to respect people and now rules the house...
it happens when you tread too carefully.
You were loving, gently, apologetic when you did something that scared/ annoyed her.... you are behaving like the underdog, the follower, the slave.
There is nothing wrong with being kind, it is a great thing!

But...parrots will try to get their own way (just like any todler) and it nobody tells them "NO, this is NOT acceptable" they will not invent good behaviour all on their own...
You are parent and teacher as well as the parront, lover, giver, caretaker.

Read up on "shunning" method (and make sure everybody in the house follows exactly the same approach! That is vital for success)
... if every bite will get her a "time out" instead of what she wants (interaction/ munchies/playtime etc.) she will get the message pretty fast.

Being bitten (except in special / emergency situations) is not acceptable - you do not give in (aka run away from it), if she bites you to tell you "get out of my cage", your answer is "tough luck!" instead of "oh, yes, of course, soooo sorry I disturbed you, will not do it again". You (and the other humans) are the boss here, she does not get to decide what you do, you only give in if she does what you want her to do.
That does not mean you must be agressive or nasty, this is just "no biting, period.".

Teaching a bird good manners is tricky, but she is a clever birdy.
She figured out biting got her everything she wanted ( space, freedom not to do chores or cooperate) , now it is up to you to teach her she was mistaken.

Reward her like crazy if she does something right - that is also very important: "YES this is what I want! \o/ " is far more effective than "nononononononononono, not nice, autch, no bitey, bad birdy".

Do not be afraid (read the big beak-o-phobes guide in the macaw section for tips and the right mindset)- you (all) can turn this around.
You have a spoiled toddler who thinks she can rule the roost, now it is up to you guys to show her the right way to function as a familymember.


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Oh and *do* get her fully tested by a real CAV, not getting any flightfeathers is really not a good sign.
It is very hard to be a nice birdy when you are feeling miserable.

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Re: Horrible, Sudden Aggression in Green Cheek Conure

Good catch on the feathers CristaNL! They should be coming in , took Neptune about 3 months to replace his cut feathers but not all flight feathers are replaced yet, I think still has two cut ones, but he did a big molt.
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Re: Horrible, Sudden Aggression in Green Cheek Conure

Alright, I get what you mean. Thank you so much, I'll try to do what you said and see if any progress has been made.
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Re: Horrible, Sudden Aggression in Green Cheek Conure

However, I do have a question. What exactly is the shunning method?
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Re: Horrible, Sudden Aggression in Green Cheek Conure

I've also noticed something.

I just took her out and now she's all cuddly and lovely. When she's in her cage though, she always bites.
You would call that a territorial thing, right?
Wrong.
I'll put her down somewhere temporarily and she'll most likely bite. Especially when she's on someone's shoulder, she'll bite so hard she'll draw blood.
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Re: Horrible, Sudden Aggression in Green Cheek Conure

She could be afraid when you put her down. You can have multiple issues going on at the same time...we have a thread here biting a serch for answers.... Shuning works with birds that want to be with you, when they bite you say no calmly and set them down, then pick them back up, a second bite they go back to the cage abd you turn your back, then after 30 seconds you take them back out again, if a bite right away again they go back in the cage turn your back and wait longer , abd start over. Only works if bird desires to be with you. I find it best to prevent bites, but I do use this method on Ta-dah from time to time ..
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Re: Horrible, Sudden Aggression in Green Cheek Conure

That doesn't make sense... If she wants to be with me so bad then why bite and make me think she doesn't want anything to do with me?
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