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Re: Which conure is this ????

If u search YouTube with "cockatiel lying on back" u can find many videos showing that.
And I have seen some Indonesian guys who have sun conures and they r having free flights in fields.

I think it all depends how better u trained and how much time u spend.
Today I did according to video and my conure responded well and came to me from different but small distances.

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Any parrot can learn recall, rollover, jumping, puzzles, free flight, etc. I've seen both Alexandrines and cockatiels do all those tricks. And some parrots may never learn anything past 'step up' - it's based on the individual.

At 45 days old, you'd be buying an unweaned parrot. I'm sure you're already aware of all those risks.
Cockatiels rolling over?! Ducky HATES being upside down. I’ve never seen a cockatiel that lays on their back. Where did you see that? I’ve heard that it’s simply not a natural behavior for cockatiels as it is for other species like caiques and conures. But then again, Kermit is a conure and he also hates being on his back even though they’re known for it. So I guess every bird is different.

In general though, cockatiels can do just as many tricks as other parrots. In my opinion, free flight is way too risky for a small bird.
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Re: Which conure is this ????

The reason I think free flight is too risky for small birds is not because they can’t be trained as well as larger birds. I agree that they are just as intelligent and can be trained just as well with the right approach. I don’t think free flight is safe for small birds because there are way more predators that can target them, they are more vulnerable if they’re lost in the wild, they are too small for a GPS tracker, they are not as recognizable or easy to see as large parrots, and they are easily spooked. All of these things make it risky and I don’t think watching your bird fly freely outdoors is worth potentially loosing your bird forever. A small bird can easily get enough exercise by flying indoors and can be taken outside in a harness. Recall training/indoor flying is great; free flight and recall are not the same thing.
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Re: Which conure is this ????

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Re: Which conure is this ????

I know this is off topic, but my cockatiel would lay back in my hand and enjoyed it. I also knew a fellow that raised them that not only would they lay on their back for him, they would play dead, and he could put them on say the neck of a pop bottle while on their back and they wouldn't move til get got them, they thought he was the greatest. lol So might not be a natural thing, but I've seen it, and I didn't know any better, and mine was happy with it as long as I didn't take his feet off my finger.
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Re: Which conure is this ????

Indeed hard to be 100% sure, but IMHO it's a Sun - judging by the flash of yellow on the shoulder, and intensive orange near the beak and on the rear of the head.

Cute fluff-ball, by the way.
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Re: Which conure is this ????

Its most likely a jenday (especially based on the first pic) however, its still too early to know for sure. But jendays, suns and sundays are all VERY similar in terms of common behaviors and traits.

However, IMO, sunnies are likely the more 'temperamental' of the three. I'm of the mindset that any parrot (from budgie to macaw) is capable of learning ANY trick or having any trait that any other parrot has. But that doesn't necessarily mean they will have it. There are plenty of budgies who speak hundreds of words and do loads of tricks and there are plenty of macaws that do neither. I've always been of the belief that you should approach any new fid with ZERO expectations for what they will/won't do as far as tricks, traits etc.



I've always found it MUCH more rewarding to focus more on encouraging their individuality and seeing them express it throughout the day. I could probably train Skittles to do all sorts of tricks, but I find it much funnier just watching him come up with his own. lol. Skittles is more of a cuddle-monster than anything else, lol. Which, ironically, is exactly what I have always wanted in a parrot. I've always wanted a velcro bird but never had one prior. At least not to the extent that Skittles is. Skittles is insistent on being with me, near me or on me about 95% of the time and yet I still find myself trying to coax him into being velcro-istic the remaining 5% of the time. lol
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Re: Which conure is this ????

It could be either because it's just a baby, and it's not yet gone through it's first, large molt, where it will shed it's baby/juvenile feathers and it's adult plumage with grow-in, and will be very easy to tell it's species...I bred/hand-raised both Suns and Jendays for years and years, as did my mom, and if I had to guess I'd say it's a Sun Conure or a hybrid of a Sun and a Jenday, usually called a "Sunday" Conure...But no way to tell visually for certain until the bird is around a year old after it's first molt is done...However, if you can get the Breeder to send a you photos of both of this baby's parents, then you will know for certain what species it is. Either way, Sun and Jenday Conures are extremely similar in personalities, behaviors, temperaments, vocals, etc.

****As already stated, you can train ANY SPECIES OF PARROT to do pretty much any "Tricks" that you can think of, and you can easily Recall-Train ANY SPECIES OF PARROT as well...This includes every species from the smallest species of Parrot, a Parrotlet, to Budgies, Cockatiels, Conures, Poicephalus Parrots like Senegals, Myers, Jardines, Capes, etc., to Amazons, Pionus', African Greys, Macaws, Cockatoos, and every species in-between. Some Parrot Species are easier to train than others, not because of their levels of intelligence, as all Parrots are extremely intelligent, but rather because some species are very stubborn and do not have as great a propensity to WANT TO LEARN TRICKS as other species do; that being said, it is still very possible to train pretty much any species of Parrot to do tricks and be Recall-Trained...And that certainly includes Sun/Jenday Conures.[/B]

****However, I would NEVER, EVER, EVER even attempt to Free-Flight train a Sun/Jenday Conure, nor ANY OTHER species of Parrot of the same small size, or smaller, and really no species of Parrot that isn't AT LEAST the size of a medium/large Amazon at the smallest!!! This almost always ends in horrible tragedy, as you must always keep in-mind that ALL Parrot species are PREY, even the very large Macaws and Cockatoos are PREY, and even the largest Free-Flying Macaws, such as Hyacinths, Greenwings, etc. are often chased by PREDATORY BIRDS, and part of their Free-Flight training is always what to do when a Predatory-Bird or FLOCK of Predatory-Birds gives them chase (it's usually not just one Predatory Bird, it's typically many). I know many people who have been Free-Flying their large Parrots for decades, all of them owning Macaws except one who Free-Flies her Umbrella Cockatoo and another who Flies his Cape Parrot, which I would say is about as small as you would want to go...And every one of these people I know personally who has been Free-Flying their large Parrots for decades and who all belong to several different Free-Flight clubs and organizations ALSO OWN smaller Parrot species, such as Sun/Jenday Conures, Nanday Conures, Green Cheeks, Senagals, Myers, Jardines, one who has a Blue-Headed Pionus, and one who has a White-Fronted/Spectacle Amazon...And none of them would ever even think about Free-Flying their smaller birds because of the tremendous danger they would be putting them in. As it is their large birds almost always get chased by Hawks, Eagles, Vultures, and yes, even murders of Crows, which I myself just had aa horrible experience with regarding my Quaker Parrot, and this only confirmed that you just should not EVER Free-Fly a parrot that isn't at least as large as a large Amazon...

My 4 year-old female Blue Quaker Parrot accidentally flew out the door in the middle of a horrible rainstorm 3 weeks-ago today, and she was outside all night into Saturday morning. She spent the night in a tree in my neighbor's backyard, and Saturday morning I was out there trying to get her down around 4:30 a.m. This continued until around 7:30 a.m. when I started getting her to hop down from branch to branch near the trunk of the tree, when out of nowhere came a Crow purposely going after her by itself. HE WAS HUGE COMPARED TO HER SIZE, and I didn't realize just how large Crows are until I saw him next to my poor Quaker Parrot...He chased her into a huge tree on the street behind my house (she and I do Contact-Calling all the time whenever I'm at home, as do my other 3 larger parrots and my 8 Budgies)...This is how I located her in the massive tree that the lone-Crow chased her into...But as soon as she started calling back to me from that tree, not only did that Crow come back and went directly after her, so did his 5 friends, all 4-times her size at least, and she was gone...I lost contact with her for about 4 hours after that, I was sure the Crows had killed her...Luckily I found her around 2:30 p.m. in another tree about a half a mile away from my house, and she quickly learned that if she kept Contact-Calling to me it would attract the Crows again. So I got maybe 2-3 Calls from her again in-response to my calls, enough to locate the tree she was in, but that was it. She kept completely quiet after that, and even after only 2-3 Calls back to me the Crows appeared in a tree across the street from her...AND CROWS AREN'T EVEN PREDATORY BIRDS! Well, I think they are after that experience, but they "officially" are not considered Predatory Birds like Hawks, Eagles, Ravens, Vultures, etc. Forget about it if a Red-Tailed Hawk, an Eagle, a Vulture, a Barred-Owl, or any other large, Predatory Bird had heard her, she'd have been lunch...I still can't understand how she managed to out-fly the Crows!!! They were chasing her and were about a foot behind her tail the last time I saw her flying from them, so if it had been some type of large Raptor Bird, she would have been ripped-apart very quickly...

So while you can certainly train a Sun/Jenday Conure to do whatever tricks you want to tech them, and can also easily Recall-Train them, as well as any other Parrot species you might want to consider bringing home and into your family, if you are certain that you want to Free-Fly whatever Parrot you decide to buy and it's a deal-breaker if you can't Free-Fly them, then you DO NOT WANT TO BUY A SUN or JENDAY CONURE, because it's just way too dangerous and you will end-up losing them...And that brings-up the second issue with Free-Flying any species of Parrot around that size, and that's that YOU CAN'T SEE THEM AT ALL WHILE THEY'RE FREE-FLYING!!! It's hard enough for very experienced Parrot Free-Flyers to keep track of their huge Macaws, Cockatoos, Amazons, and Congo African Greys while they're flying; if you've ever watched multiple people Free-Flying their Parrots together, they will typically lose-sight of them several times throughout each Free-Flight, and that's with birds the size of Hyacinth and Greenwing Macaws! (CAG's are not actually that large at all compared to the Macaws, some Cockatoos, and some Amazons)...Now imagine trying to keep track of a Sun/Jenday Conure while it's Free-Flying...It would be impossible (until a large Predatory Bird or Birds started chasing them, then you would at least have an idea where they were)...It's just not a responsible thing to do...

I don't have anything against people Free-Flying their pet Parrots, at least I don't outwardly get on them about it, they are their pet birds and they can do whatever they want to with them obviously. Do I agree with Free-Flying your pet Parrots of ANY size or species? No, I don't, just because of how many extremely well-trained and sometimes professionally-trained pet Parrots get lost during Free-Flights, some for a few hours, some for a few days or weeks, some for months or years, and quite a few forever...as well as due to the high number of Free-Flying pet Parrots who get severely-injured or killed by Predatory Birds giving them chase and either getting a hold of them directly or by causing them to fly into something or crash...But again, it's not my business what other people do with their own pet Parrots...But if you're absolutely set on Free-Flying whatever bird you decide to bring into your lives, regardless of how dangerous it is or how often people lose their birds forever while Free-Flying them, AT LEAST GET YOURSELF A SPECIES OF PARROT THAT HAS A CHANCE IN HELL TO ESCAPE FROM THE PREDATORY BIRDS THAT ARE GOING TO DEFINITELY GIVE-CHASE TO THEM!!! (usually every time you Free-Fly them)... If you're going to force your pet Parrots to Free-Fly, then at least do it in the most-responsible way possible, the safest way possible, and don't force a small or medium size pet Parrot to have to literally fly for it's life every time you fly them. Try to find a young baby or juvenile full-size Macaw, or a a large species of Amazon to Free-Flight train instead of putting such small birds right in the line of fire...
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Re: Which conure is this ????

Wow. I really appreciate ur very detailed write-up.
We have decided already and gave up the idea of a free flight.
But we definitely want our conure to fly to our hands on a call (indoor). And the way we started his feed and training, am sure we will get our this goal.

What about my cockatiel? She is around 9 or 10 months ( a gues) how to train her to fly to our hands on call (indoor)?


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It could be either because it's just a baby, and it's not yet gone through it's first, large molt, where it will shed it's baby/juvenile feathers and it's adult plumage with grow-in, and will be very easy to tell it's species...I bred/hand-raised both Suns and Jendays for years and years, as did my mom, and if I had to guess I'd say it's a Sun Conure or a hybrid of a Sun and a Jenday, usually called a "Sunday" Conure...But no way to tell visually for certain until the bird is around a year old after it's first molt is done...However, if you can get the Breeder to send a you photos of both of this baby's parents, then you will know for certain what species it is. Either way, Sun and Jenday Conures are extremely similar in personalities, behaviors, temperaments, vocals, etc.

****As already stated, you can train ANY SPECIES OF PARROT to do pretty much any "Tricks" that you can think of, and you can easily Recall-Train ANY SPECIES OF PARROT as well...This includes every species from the smallest species of Parrot, a Parrotlet, to Budgies, Cockatiels, Conures, Poicephalus Parrots like Senegals, Myers, Jardines, Capes, etc., to Amazons, Pionus', African Greys, Macaws, Cockatoos, and every species in-between. Some Parrot Species are easier to train than others, not because of their levels of intelligence, as all Parrots are extremely intelligent, but rather because some species are very stubborn and do not have as great a propensity to WANT TO LEARN TRICKS as other species do; that being said, it is still very possible to train pretty much any species of Parrot to do tricks and be Recall-Trained...And that certainly includes Sun/Jenday Conures.[/B]

****However, I would NEVER, EVER, EVER even attempt to Free-Flight train a Sun/Jenday Conure, nor ANY OTHER species of Parrot of the same small size, or smaller, and really no species of Parrot that isn't AT LEAST the size of a medium/large Amazon at the smallest!!! This almost always ends in horrible tragedy, as you must always keep in-mind that ALL Parrot species are PREY, even the very large Macaws and Cockatoos are PREY, and even the largest Free-Flying Macaws, such as Hyacinths, Greenwings, etc. are often chased by PREDATORY BIRDS, and part of their Free-Flight training is always what to do when a Predatory-Bird or FLOCK of Predatory-Birds gives them chase (it's usually not just one Predatory Bird, it's typically many). I know many people who have been Free-Flying their large Parrots for decades, all of them owning Macaws except one who Free-Flies her Umbrella Cockatoo and another who Flies his Cape Parrot, which I would say is about as small as you would want to go...And every one of these people I know personally who has been Free-Flying their large Parrots for decades and who all belong to several different Free-Flight clubs and organizations ALSO OWN smaller Parrot species, such as Sun/Jenday Conures, Nanday Conures, Green Cheeks, Senagals, Myers, Jardines, one who has a Blue-Headed Pionus, and one who has a White-Fronted/Spectacle Amazon...And none of them would ever even think about Free-Flying their smaller birds because of the tremendous danger they would be putting them in. As it is their large birds almost always get chased by Hawks, Eagles, Vultures, and yes, even murders of Crows, which I myself just had aa horrible experience with regarding my Quaker Parrot, and this only confirmed that you just should not EVER Free-Fly a parrot that isn't at least as large as a large Amazon...

My 4 year-old female Blue Quaker Parrot accidentally flew out the door in the middle of a horrible rainstorm 3 weeks-ago today, and she was outside all night into Saturday morning. She spent the night in a tree in my neighbor's backyard, and Saturday morning I was out there trying to get her down around 4:30 a.m. This continued until around 7:30 a.m. when I started getting her to hop down from branch to branch near the trunk of the tree, when out of nowhere came a Crow purposely going after her by itself. HE WAS HUGE COMPARED TO HER SIZE, and I didn't realize just how large Crows are until I saw him next to my poor Quaker Parrot...He chased her into a huge tree on the street behind my house (she and I do Contact-Calling all the time whenever I'm at home, as do my other 3 larger parrots and my 8 Budgies)...This is how I located her in the massive tree that the lone-Crow chased her into...But as soon as she started calling back to me from that tree, not only did that Crow come back and went directly after her, so did his 5 friends, all 4-times her size at least, and she was gone...I lost contact with her for about 4 hours after that, I was sure the Crows had killed her...Luckily I found her around 2:30 p.m. in another tree about a half a mile away from my house, and she quickly learned that if she kept Contact-Calling to me it would attract the Crows again. So I got maybe 2-3 Calls from her again in-response to my calls, enough to locate the tree she was in, but that was it. She kept completely quiet after that, and even after only 2-3 Calls back to me the Crows appeared in a tree across the street from her...AND CROWS AREN'T EVEN PREDATORY BIRDS! Well, I think they are after that experience, but they "officially" are not considered Predatory Birds like Hawks, Eagles, Ravens, Vultures, etc. Forget about it if a Red-Tailed Hawk, an Eagle, a Vulture, a Barred-Owl, or any other large, Predatory Bird had heard her, she'd have been lunch...I still can't understand how she managed to out-fly the Crows!!! They were chasing her and were about a foot behind her tail the last time I saw her flying from them, so if it had been some type of large Raptor Bird, she would have been ripped-apart very quickly...

So while you can certainly train a Sun/Jenday Conure to do whatever tricks you want to tech them, and can also easily Recall-Train them, as well as any other Parrot species you might want to consider bringing home and into your family, if you are certain that you want to Free-Fly whatever Parrot you decide to buy and it's a deal-breaker if you can't Free-Fly them, then you DO NOT WANT TO BUY A SUN or JENDAY CONURE, because it's just way too dangerous and you will end-up losing them...And that brings-up the second issue with Free-Flying any species of Parrot around that size, and that's that YOU CAN'T SEE THEM AT ALL WHILE THEY'RE FREE-FLYING!!! It's hard enough for very experienced Parrot Free-Flyers to keep track of their huge Macaws, Cockatoos, Amazons, and Congo African Greys while they're flying; if you've ever watched multiple people Free-Flying their Parrots together, they will typically lose-sight of them several times throughout each Free-Flight, and that's with birds the size of Hyacinth and Greenwing Macaws! (CAG's are not actually that large at all compared to the Macaws, some Cockatoos, and some Amazons)...Now imagine trying to keep track of a Sun/Jenday Conure while it's Free-Flying...It would be impossible (until a large Predatory Bird or Birds started chasing them, then you would at least have an idea where they were)...It's just not a responsible thing to do...

I don't have anything against people Free-Flying their pet Parrots, at least I don't outwardly get on them about it, they are their pet birds and they can do whatever they want to with them obviously. Do I agree with Free-Flying your pet Parrots of ANY size or species? No, I don't, just because of how many extremely well-trained and sometimes professionally-trained pet Parrots get lost during Free-Flights, some for a few hours, some for a few days or weeks, some for months or years, and quite a few forever...as well as due to the high number of Free-Flying pet Parrots who get severely-injured or killed by Predatory Birds giving them chase and either getting a hold of them directly or by causing them to fly into something or crash...But again, it's not my business what other people do with their own pet Parrots...But if you're absolutely set on Free-Flying whatever bird you decide to bring into your lives, regardless of how dangerous it is or how often people lose their birds forever while Free-Flying them, AT LEAST GET YOURSELF A SPECIES OF PARROT THAT HAS A CHANCE IN HELL TO ESCAPE FROM THE PREDATORY BIRDS THAT ARE GOING TO DEFINITELY GIVE-CHASE TO THEM!!! (usually every time you Free-Fly them)... If you're going to force your pet Parrots to Free-Fly, then at least do it in the most-responsible way possible, the safest way possible, and don't force a small or medium size pet Parrot to have to literally fly for it's life every time you fly them. Try to find a young baby or juvenile full-size Macaw, or a a large species of Amazon to Free-Flight train instead of putting such small birds right in the line of fire...
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