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Old 07-12-2019, 08:39 PM
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My green cheek conure, Butter, has recently started to molt. I had a big scare for awhile that he was plucking but fortunately that ended up not being the case (as he was just molting and began to grow new in feathers). But today I’ve been scared because a lot of the new feathers on his belly that he grew in from molting suddenly disappeared at some point.

Here he is a few days ago:


Here he is now:


I’m really concerned for him. Is this random loss of new feathers normal in a molt? My family won’t allow him to be taken to a vet due to the fear of him becoming “traumatized” or gaining some illness I doubt he would from seeing a vet. Please please help me with this, the best I can do is ask around on different sites for advice since I’m a minor (17) and unable to get my bird to a vet.

For further clarification: his behavior is completely normal except for the crankiness and sensitivity that comes with molting, there are no bald spots, play with him for hours everyday and always leave the TV on for him when I can’t so he isn’t bored, I give him fruits and vegetables as well as molting food (since molting started and until it ends)and seeds and I clean his cage and toys weekly. I don’t think anything’s wrong with him except for that.
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Re: Anybody with conure experience please help me out!!

How old is Butter? Is he getting at least 12 hrs of sleep ? Uninterrupted ? If their covered in the same room where the rest of the flock is they may be quiet but don't sleep well or at all until everyone else is asleep. This goes for your room as well lf he sleeps with you but your up late he's not getting what he needs. Diet is very important as well, veggies / chop , small amounts of fruit , and small amounts of an all natural pellet if you can get him to eat them. On another note you should only be petting/scratching on the head. Nowhere else as this will cause sexual stimulation and add to a possible hormonal issue.

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Old 07-12-2019, 10:36 PM
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How old is Butter? Is he getting at least 12 hrs of sleep ? Uninterrupted ? If their covered in the same room where the rest of the flock is they may be quiet but don't sleep well or at all until everyone else is asleep. This goes for your room as well lf he sleeps with you but your up late he's not getting what he needs. Diet is very important as well, veggies / chop , small amounts of fruit , and small amounts of an all natural pellet if you can get him to eat them. On another note you should only be petting/scratching on the head. Nowhere else as this will cause sexual stimulation and add to a possible hormonal issue.

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Butter is about three years old and he is my only bird. I informed my family about his need for sleep since they tend to get up late at night and I will start to cover his cage at night from now on so that if they really need to get up then it will be not as likely to wake him up. I care about him so much and this random loss is really concerning to me. I will do my best to make sure to meet the expectations you have listed!
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Re: Anybody with conure experience please help me out!!

If he hasn't been covered before this ,you may frighten him with the cover so you may want to take it slow, when i say slow i mean slowly introducing the cover over the course of days or even weeks or as long as it takes so he's not scared of the cover. Also when I mentioned flock it was an analogy to your family being the flock. If you have a spare room that can be made dark for the purpose that would be best. Or a smaller cage brought into your room and then you being very mindful entering/exiting the room .

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Old 07-13-2019, 03:34 AM
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Re: Anybody with conure experience please help me out!!

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If he hasn't been covered before this ,you may frighten him with the cover so you may want to take it slow, when i say slow i mean slowly introducing the cover over the course of days or even weeks or as long as it takes so he's not scared of the cover. Also when I mentioned flock it was an analogy to your family being the flock. If you have a spare room that can be made dark for the purpose that would be best. Or a smaller cage brought into your room and then you being very mindful entering/exiting the room .

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Thank you, I will be sure to keep that in mind. When I read your previous reply about petting the bird anywhere else aside from the head being sexual arousal, I was shocked honestly. I had no idea that petting him would cause such a big issue and I think it might be the reason heís such a biter and why he lost those feathers. I had no idea that it was upsetting to him and I feel really guilty for petting him like that now, I had no idea that it would cause hormonal issues and I also had no idea that what I thought was our strokes and cuddles everyday was sexual foreplay to him. Iíve been petting him on his back and stomach and face for three years now and I know I canít do that anymore, but if I stop it now will everything fix itself eventually? Like I said, my family wonít allow me to see a vet and if I tell them about the sexual foreplay thing then theyíll brush it off as stupid. Iím really worried after finding about this. Three years have gone by and this whole time I thought that petting him was my least biggest worry. I really had no idea that it would mess with his hormones and I went this whole time not even knowing this. Iím really sorry, I want the best for him and I hope you can tell me how I am able to fix this. It would be much appreciated.
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Old 07-13-2019, 04:06 AM
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Re: Anybody with conure experience please help me out!!

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Like I said, my family won’t allow me to see a vet ...
Nonsense.
Now you know better than your family, so just take the bird to the vet.
Ignore your poorly-informed family.

Stand up for yourself ... and for this bird.

Why people let family members bully them is beyond me.
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Re: Anybody with conure experience please help me out!!

First up take a breath and relax.

You weren't to know that scratching other places could cause issues. Stopping it will help but it's not a quick fix and may not help at all if there are other issues. The little furry tent things that they sell for birds are an issue. They can lead to aggressive behaviour as well as being potentially lethal. Too little light or too much light can also cause issues.

How often do you change the toys in your birds cage? I try to change them every one or two weeks to help offset territorial aggression. This may help with the crankiness.

You're kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place with not being able to get your bird to a vet. Watch your birds behaviour and see if he is plucking them out or if they are just falling out. I'm not really sure what else to suggest. Hopefully one of the more knowledgeable members will come along with better advice.
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Old 07-13-2019, 05:14 AM
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Re: Anybody with conure experience please help me out!!

Hi Just relax and stay steady. The important thing is that Butter doesn't suddenly lose confidence or get scared. As far as night cover is concerned, show it to him first let him get used to the sight of it by the cage or near you when he is out. Then place it on top of one side of the cage so he can investigate and leave it there for a couple of days so he takes it for granted. If it freaks him at any time go back a couple of steps and try again.

This bird loves you and trusts you but is worried by mixed messages - you are his parent not his mate/best friend and the boundaries need to be clear. Still give him lots of attention, lots of chat, scritches around the head but avoid even his neck and shoulders and no cuddles inside your shirt or anywhere dark. He might be puzzled initially and nippy but persevere. If biting persists put him down away from you and ignore him so he understands that biting is out. My Syd has learned the phrase 'no biting' and will actually put his head on one side and change his attitude.

Take heart and stay with us there is so much help and info here. It got me through it will you too.

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Re: Anybody with conure experience please help me out!!

Hi,
Sorry you are having to worry about your baby. Truely sorry your family doesn't give enough status to you bird to allow vet visit. A good avain vet that specializes in birds only is the way to go. Feather loss can be due to disease some scary, some easily treated, or to self plucking a) because if disease or nutrition, b) behavior. The sleep thing is very important as you've talked about above. My GCC was not getting enough sleep and it led to lower immunity and illness. If I had to guess I'd say your bird started a molt, and that also started him over plucking or grooming.. maybe from lack of good sleep, maybe from overstimulation, maybe from a diet lacking some nutrients, maybe from bored, ... Hard to really know....
So yes a good ten to twelve hours sleep, dont pet belly and back, add some hot red chilli peppers to diet, the capsicum boosts immunity and they are high in vit A. I believe in probiotics too, as recommend to me on the forums last year when my GCC had health issues. You can get a pet store in bird area use only as directed sprinkle on food, or add to something like scrambled eggs, never put in water. Or a little bit like half a teaspoon of live culture yogurt with no artificial sweeteners maybe twice a week. Mine love the yogurt and us no problems for them to run right over and eat. Clean your cave and all surfaces well, I use dilute white vinegar in water ( never hot water as will release toxic fumes) and wipe all surfac then go back and wipe with just water. If you have a safe travel cage sitting outside with your bird in light shade or indirect sun ten to fifteen minutes 2-3 times a week is very beneficial in my opinion. The sunlight will help kill mold yeast and bacteria, also birds preen oil converts to vit D in sunlight, so next time they preen after being in sun the get vit D, they have a gland in their eye too that helps convert sunlight to vit D. Sunlight also helps mood in birds just like people, plus fresh air and sights and sounds. I'm a believer of the benefits of sun exposure, which their aren't benefits of when gotten through a window. ...
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Like I said, my family won’t allow me to see a vet ...
Nonsense.
Now you know better than your family, so just take the bird to the vet.
Ignore your poorly-informed family.

Stand up for yourself ... and for this bird.

Why people let family members bully them is beyond me.
I do all the time. During my plucking scare with my bird I’ve pleaded and begged my family to take him to the vet but they always give me the same bs “HE’LL BE TRAUMATIZED!!” argument or say he’ll catch some disease from the vet. Yesterday I even asked dad again for the thousandth time and he said the same exact thing, he and my sister both got really mad at me. I have asked so many times over and over again and I keep saying that if humans need checkups then so do birds. I can see why you’d blame me but it’s not my fault. I ask my family so often whenever I think anything’s wrong with my bird because he’s so important to me and they always say the same thing, it’s always the same argument. Before I got my bird, I made dad promise me that he’d let him see the vet if there was ANYTHING wrong at all. He didn’t keep his promise. I’m seriously trying everything I can for my bird and I ask so many times. I really feel hurt that you’d blame me.

Edit: I can’t drive yet but I’m working towards my drivers license right now and I’m currently taking drivers ed. I thought I’d clarify.


Edit 2: I’ll ask my family again right now and even give them my entire savings just to let him see the vet. I’m really that desperate.

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