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Cagzo 08-17-2020 04:46 AM

Unexpected hard bite!
 
Im sure people have asked this before.
Connie is going through Moult ATM, she looks a sorry sight with pins all around her neck.
Thismorning on her time out,she was sat on the work top, going up and down as she does when she wants to be taken off there (shes not clipped so could fly across). I put my hand out and said step up,which she did,then promptly bit my thumb really hard,drawing blood.
This is the second time in 3 days that shes done this,I feel a bit bewildered as shes always been very gentle,and we are very bonded.

Could it be Moulting thats set this behaviour off?
Sorry forgot to say shes a Conure!

wrench13 08-17-2020 06:19 AM

Re: Unexpected hard bite!
 
My but it seems a lot of conures are going thru a bitey phase lately. At almost 2 she could be starting puberty or she could just be P/O'd because of a heavy molt. Time to really study her body language before picking her up and while she is on you. I wouldn't allow shoulder privileges just now.

Cagzo 08-17-2020 07:46 AM

Re: Unexpected hard bite!
 
Thankyou Wrench 13, I have great respect for all your advice on this forum, I'm certainly hoping its only going to be a short phase.
I picked her up bodily and said 2/3 very firm "NOs",then put her to the other side of the kitchen table and turned my back on her. (while attending my wound!) After a few minutes she flew to my shoulder,and TBH I didnt want to put my hand there to get her off!
She stayed cuddled into my neck making little quacking noises and bobbing.I assume this is puberty behaviour? I felt as though she was laying an egg!!

itzjbean 08-17-2020 08:33 AM

Re: Unexpected hard bite!
 
Green cheek Conures of all kinds are notorious for biting! I've seen hundreds of threads about people saying their green cheeks do the same thing! Hard bites with no second thought!

Do you keep her well showered/misted these days? Molting causes lots of itchiness and regular showers are a must during this time to relieve that itching. Is she on a diet with high amounts of veggies and low amounts of sugars? Sugars like in fruits can give them TONS of extras energy, and so drawing back on the sugars they get will give them less energy, aka, less motive to bite.

Is she flight recalled? Giving her proper exercise and having her use those wings to train her to go somewhere you want her to go (target training, flight recall) will give them sometime to exert that energy out on instead of your hands.

Do you have treats when you have her step up so she has something (food) to concentrate on besides biting your hands? This is a great tool especially fo getting an unruly bird back into the cage.

Cagzo 08-17-2020 11:28 AM

Re: Unexpected hard bite!
 
I think it was the unexpected! Shes always been very good. Yes she gets a bath regularly,dives her head right under, flying......not a lot,usually a couple of curcuits then back on my shoulder. But I think it may be a sugar related thing as she will only eat carrots which of course are sweet,anything green is discarded. My gut feeling is its puberty. Lordelpandsavus!!

Scott 08-17-2020 12:15 PM

Re: Unexpected hard bite!
 
Have you considered Bite Pressure Training? http://www.parrotforums.com/training...-training.html

I realize this may be a transient behavior due to molting and/or onset of puberty.

fiddlejen 08-17-2020 01:54 PM

Re: Unexpected hard bite!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cagzo (Post 882864)
Im sure people have asked this before.
Connie is going through Moult ATM, she looks a sorry sight with pins all around her neck.
Thismorning on her time out,she was sat on the work top, going up and down as she does when she wants to be taken off there (shes not clipped so could fly across). I put my hand out and said step up,which she did,then promptly bit my thumb really hard,drawing blood.
This is the second time in 3 days that shes done this,I feel a bit bewildered as shes always been very gentle,and we are very bonded.

Could it be Moulting thats set this behaviour off?
Sorry forgot to say shes a Conure!

She is mad at you of course. Because obviously it is your fault she's pinny & moulting....

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Laurasea 08-17-2020 02:19 PM

Re: Unexpected hard bite!
 
GCC do use those beaks to keep us in line, that scalpel tip hurts!! I’ve been bitten by larger parrots that hurt so much less, more like a pinch.

My GCC sbd I are in constant negotiations. She is easily offended or feels I have acted poorly. Then the rest of the time snuggles. Pay extra attention to her body language , mine will crouch slight and flare head feathers if she doesn’t want a touch, or thinks I moved my hand to quickly or whatever ever she thinks I’m wrong about....

Extra bribes ( safflower sees) by hand are always good
Mine will do almost anything fir them

Cagzo 08-18-2020 07:31 AM

Re: Unexpected hard bite!
 
If it is puberty, are there any signs I should be looking for?
Thismorning we went through the usual routine,cage door wide open,Connie coming out to sit on top of the door,3 sunflower seeds for a kiss on my nose for each one(yes that was brave) but after that she didnt fly across to me,but stayed going in and out of the cage(which is big) I spoke gently to her when she finally decided to go back in. She sat close,and half closed her eyes and did a lot of head bobbing.I think she picked up on my sympathetic voice.

noodles123 08-18-2020 11:16 AM

Re: Unexpected hard bite!
 
Yes-- look at her age...interest in you...interest in shadowy areas....random "moody" behavior...feeding behaviors...rubbing butts on things...but it isn't always THAT obvious. A very hormonal bird can never show any obvious signs (like the butt rubbing and feeding things are super-obvious, but many won't do that even when hormonal). They can just get kind of fickle and edgy. Obviously you need to make sure your bird is healthy, as sudden changes can also indicate an underlying health issue...but if you rule out medical problems, then consider the rest. Either way, these rules should be followed by anyone with a bird-- you should not stop doing the things below just because the behavior subsides-- they are permanent changes to consider.

Conures mature sexually around 1 in most cases. They all are programmed to find a mate.
If your bird is bonded to you and shows a lot of interest in you and is sexually mature, odds are, some part of her thinks of you as a mate (even birds who have their hormones really well-regulated still walk a fine line with their owners in terms of the nature of that relationship). You can kind of keep this in-check by making sure you set boundaries and remove triggers.

It's very important that you do not allow your bird access to huts, tents, boxes, shadowy spaces, under clothing, in cabinets, under furniture etc etc. This will make it worse.

10-12 hours of sleep is also essential (as it regulates hormones, mood, and immune health).

Pet on the head and neck only. The rest is fairly sexual----a quick touch elsewhere is usually okay (if it's for husbandry/veterinary purposes) but you don't want to be wrapping your bird up, cupping its back, stroking the back/tail region etc etc


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