Birds and Cats

If you would be so kind to provide a short response on the matter, I'd greatly appreciate it. I'd like to get a general consensus.

Is it okay to keep an Eclectus with a cat? (declawed but obviously has teeth).

Yes, No or May work but not recommended

predator and prey. keep em apart.
I know I have to be right on top of the birds when
they are out, just like kids want to get into everything. but they don't seem to bother the dog, but I have caught the dog trying to sneak behind a bird on the floor before so the dog now has a special spot with one of his blankets where he goes when the birds are out.
you pretty much need to child proof the areas your birds may spend time in where you may get out of sight of them. and don't depend on a playstand to watch them for you, mine don't work it only keeps their attention for a short time before they noticed that cool looking thing on the table and off to the table they are.

In a word, No. Some people do it, and get away for years doing it. But then again, some people like to speed like 2x the speed limit. Maybe they never get caught. Maybe.. I dont even like keeping our ancient Cairne terrier, who can barely waddle over to her food bowl and outside for her business, and who is terrified of Salty, out in the same room when Salty is out. But cats are natural predators to birds. And you will see cutsey pie pics of parrots sitting on cats , on line. We don't allow them here, because it gives people the wrong idea that it is safe.

I always make a donation to a vets college in a deceased parrots name except if that bird died as a result of being killed by a pet cat, because there is no cure for being stupid and careless. Sounds hard, maybe, but that is my opinion.

I completely agree! There's a cat that lives in this house that cannot be out at the same time my Jojo is. She has even tried jumping onto his cage which caused us to have to rearrange the room!

The great and very pointed Posts above cover this subject so very well!!! There is nothing that needs to be added!!!

"I'd like to get a general consensus" Really???

^Yeah really

It's not as far fetched as you think. There are a lot of unnatural goings on to keeping a bird. Heck, if you want to go down that road then no one should ever buy a parrot over the age of 30 since it can and probably will outlive you.

Took the temp of the group. Got my answer (conscensus) and I thank you for all replies except the one above.

We have a dog, a cat, and birds. We do not allow the cat out around the small birds, and he clearly doesn't view Mel as prey. She views HIM as prey!


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Harlequin40 said:

^Yeah really

It's not as far fetched as you think. There are a lot of unnatural goings on to keeping a bird. Heck, if you want to go down that road then no one should ever buy a parrot over the age of 30 since it can and probably will outlive you.

Took the temp of the group. Got my answer (conscensus) and I thank you for all replies except the one above.

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no but it is something you have set up as to where your birds go when ya kick the bucket. mine will be going back to the aviary most came from and be rehomed to good homes.
but it is something every parrot buyer should know before they pull the trigger.

Harlequin40 said:

^Yeah really

It's not as far fetched as you think. There are a lot of unnatural goings on to keeping a bird. Heck, if you want to go down that road then no one should ever buy a parrot over the age of 30 since it can and probably will outlive you.

Took the temp of the group. Got my answer (conscensus) and I thank you for all replies except the one above.

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Hey, I live on that road! We have spent the last forty-five+ years on that road! And yes, we are old, much older than 45. We take-in those Amazons that are very sick, serious injured, and have little want to trust any Human ever again. Those Amazon's that have been left for dead at a Vet's Office or a rehomer like nothing more than yesterday's trash because their Human did not want to deal with what they had caused and/or created.

Three years ago, we took in the youngest Amazon we have ever attempted to bring hope too! He has had a total of three surgeries in the first two years, far more very early morning emergency Vet runs and is currently visiting his Avian Vet five times a year.

I say this not to curry favor, but to point out that due to Humans, there are huge numbers of Parrots left behind every year because of the poor choices their Humans made and most likely continue to make. Will he out live us? To say that we did not suffer serious concern regarding that reality would be a lie. But, our choice was very simple! He would die from the lack of those surgeries, or live in a Loving Home. A Loving Home that are committed to providing him with the resources long after we cannot provide daily care.

So, really! One of our now past Amazon's was seriously injured by it's family cat! She lived with us a bit over a year. Yes, she could have been just as well left to die at the Vets office, or live out her remaining months knowing that she was loved.

So, really! Every month, Amazons are offer to us. We cannot take them, no one can! So, huge the numbers that die far too early or sit out the remainder of their life without the Human Love they had been promised those many years before!

I guess that our educational system and/or parents just no longer teach that predator and prey" thing anymore! It is one of the serious problems when education falls to little more than teaching the answers to the test questions and not providing knowledge. I guess its a lot like the seemly loss of Common Sense. And, I can say this because my far kinder, sweeter dear-heart is a retired educator.

" There are a lot of unnatural goings on to keeping a bird." In fact, there are very few unnatural things, if any, about the: Forever, Loving Care of Parrots!

Harlequin40 said:

If you would be so kind to provide a short response on the matter, I'd greatly appreciate it. I'd like to get a general consensus.

Is it okay to keep an Eclectus with a cat? (declawed but obviously has teeth).

Yes, No or May work but not recommended

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Sure...along with your crocodile and water buffalo...


Jim

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Harlequin40 said:

^Yeah really

It's not as far fetched as you think. There are a lot of unnatural goings on to keeping a bird. Heck, if you want to go down that road then no one should ever buy a parrot over the age of 30 since it can and probably will outlive you.

Took the temp of the group. Got my answer (conscensus) and I thank you for all replies except the one above.

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Slow down and cool down! You were nice enough to delete this from your other post!
I must say, SailBoat has, and is in the middle of ugly when it comes to stepping up and helping these abused companions!
Your original question,
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"If you would be so kind to provide a short response on the matter, I'd greatly appreciate it. I'd like to get a general consensus.

Is it okay to keep an Eclectus with a cat? (declawed but obviously has teeth).

Yes, No or May work but not recommended"
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Not sure what you expected, I watched my first bird, Tango, get killed by a very trusting dog, I could not move fast enough! Zero physical damage, she died of shock! Cost me my marriage!
My daughter worked for many years with an avian vet! The heartbreak and outright stupidity that cost the lives of these birds was almost a weekly occurrence!

Declawing of cats is illegal in Australia, so I can't comment on how that might make a difference, but I'm thinking my response would still be a big NO.

Hey it worked for Chito and Pocho though

[ame="https://youtu.be/zLqtOoxuAzs"]man swimming with crocodile - YouTube[/ame]


Not sure it would be the same type of show if Pocho was substituted for another adult crocodile though

Flboy said:

Harlequin40 said:

^Yeah really



It's not as far fetched as you think. There are a lot of unnatural goings on to keeping a bird. Heck, if you want to go down that road then no one should ever buy a parrot over the age of 30 since it can and probably will outlive you.



Took the temp of the group. Got my answer (conscensus) and I thank you for all replies except the one above.

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Slow down and cool down! You were nice enough to delete this from your other post!

I must say, SailBoat has, and is in the middle of ugly when it comes to stepping up and helping these abused companions!

Your original question,

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"If you would be so kind to provide a short response on the matter, I'd greatly appreciate it. I'd like to get a general consensus.



Is it okay to keep an Eclectus with a cat? (declawed but obviously has teeth).



Yes, No or May work but not recommended"

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Not sure what you expected, I watched my first bird, Tango, get killed by a very trusting dog, I could not move fast enough! Zero physical damage, she died of shock! Cost me my marriage!

My daughter worked for many years with an avian vet! The heartbreak and outright stupidity that cost the lives of these birds was almost a weekly occurrence!

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Agree lost my budgie to an incredibly submissive dog. Seemed no drama when you were with them but I counselled every one not to leave them alone. Eventually it happened. I expect my budgie went up to the dog. It also caused dramas between me and my wife like you said. I now own a GCC and I put the dog out and Jet is only out of his cage when I am actively engaged with him. I never want to go through that again and I wouldnt wish it on anyone. It will end in tears for sure.


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Personally, I'd never allow a cat and a bird out in the same room together. As has been said, that is a strictly predator and prey relationship. It might work for years... and then end tragically with terrible suddenness.

I do want to commend you for actually taking the time to ask the question, though. With so many cutesy pics and videos saturating the internet of cats and birds frolicking about together, there are lots of people who simply see it as no big deal. So thinking first and reaching out to a group who might have an informed take on the matter was the right move on your part.

It's a horrible situation. Imagine losing a bird to something as preventable as keeping a cat or dog separate from the bird. I can't ever fault cats and dogs for these accidents, it's nature kicking in. We bird owners are at fault for thinking our beloved pets have any natural instincts remaining in them.

No dog or cat ever allowed near Nigel, ever.

Oh geese, here we go with a pile on. I'm not going to the tit for tat thing. I never asked about leaving the cat and bird unsupervised and out. I was asking for relatable experiences from people who have cats and birds. One animal home doesn't seem to be a must around these parts or any other.

I had a friend come visit, and out of necessity they had to bring their newly adopted kitten to our place. She was no more than four months old, and for an hour all she did was try to climb up my bird cages or sit and obsess and hunt chatter to my parrots. You can bet your bottom that if I had my birds out they would be dead in second, or if we didn't supervise her she would've had swiped into the cages and either severely terrified or hurt one of them.

I would have requested she be kept in her carrier, but she had already been in it for nearly four hours before arriving and we all sat infront of the cages to prevent anything from happening (couldn't trust the cat anywhere out of our sight). We live in a bachelor-like suite, so our bedroom is essentially open to everything else and there's not much separation. Personally I would love a cat in the future. That being said, I would have a bird room set up before ever adopting one. That way the birds have a safe room to be out in while the cats roam the house, and then the cat could be put away in a different room if the birds were out in the living room. It's the only way I see it being safe and being able to give cats the ability to roam.

So yes, it is doable, and it is manageable. But it does come with a high risk and a hefty price if anything goes wrong. We may come across as harsh sometimes, but it's because we often have members join to grieve the loss of their beloved parrot to incidences such as the one we're discussing right now. And it's heartbreaking for all.

Declawed cats still have teeth and strength, whIle they do not thrive outdoors declawed still kill plenty of wild prey species.

It's possible. But man is it a lot of work! I envy people that have one species and can just let the bird out... or just a dog... or just a cat. A dog could hurt a cat just as much as a cat can hurt a bird etc.

I lock my cats downstairs when my birds come out. It's exhausting. (And maddening to them lol) when I open the door I always have severa Beady little eyes staring me down...