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Old 09-11-2017, 10:40 PM
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Re: Urgent - Picking at feet

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So wishing I could do more to help than give you a cyber hug. Im not nearly as informed or experienced as Anansi but I recently read a thread where their ekkie was also having gnawing issues. It was suggested that they test for borna virus (sp) or metal toxicity. Might run those by your vet---just a thought, passing on something I read but may or may not be at all relevant. Hope you figure it out soon for you sanity and Jaspers comfort. We're here for you.
VERY relevant, actually, as 2 of the strains of avian borna virus are the precursors to the various versions of PDD (Proventriculus Dilation Disease).

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Old 09-12-2017, 08:59 AM
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Re: Urgent - Picking at feet

Thank you for the replies. I'm at such a loss right now Will read through that document Anansi, thank you.

The vet did ask me about metal toxicity and asked about his bells. He has lots of bells...stainless steel as well as nickle plated I believe.

The receptionist noticed in a picture I have a boing for him and she says the bottom parts (the loop) are toxic. Is this true? I took a look at Jasper's. He used to rip off the bells from them so I removed them long ago, it's just the loop. Looks like it could be slightly rusty but I never see him playing with it.

Jasper had xrays in 2015 and they were normal. My vet had suggested them yesterday but since she had indicated it was more of a 'fishing' type thing I had turned them down. If it is a form of PDD would it show up on the xrays now do you think Anansi? Should it not have shown up back then?

The amount of stress is unreal at the moment. I missed work yesterday, working from home today, I don't know how much longer I can 'get away' with not being there. But I live by myself and have no one that can check on him through the day other than me watching him on Skype

He's still wing flipping today. Ate a bit of breakfast. Seems pretty lethargic overall. He won't even come to me which is not him at all. He just wants to sit quietly in his cage. I wonder if it's because he's depressed about the cone...He's fighting to stay awake. Not sure he slept much last night. Tempted to take off the cone to give him some relief.....

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Old 09-12-2017, 09:29 AM
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Re: Urgent - Picking at feet

nothin' but good thoughts/vibes/prayers to you two.
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Old 09-12-2017, 10:13 AM
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Re: Urgent - Picking at feet

that bit of rust sounds like it could be the culprit but without a diagnosis can't say for sure. Perhaps a new boing for him either way
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Old 09-12-2017, 11:19 AM
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Re: Urgent - Picking at feet

The cone doesn't work. He just lifted his foot up no problem and was able to pick at it. I guess it looked like the cone was working but in reality he just wasn't wanting to pick. So I just removed it.

Anansi, how long was Maya on the anti-inflammatory and pain meds for? Jasper has been on them since Sunday night but she only gave me 5 days worth.
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Old 09-12-2017, 11:20 AM
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Re: Urgent - Picking at feet

Ah Katie I am so sorry for what you are going through.

Would this be a better option than the hard cones? Would it work?

https://www.birdsupplies.com/product...cro-attachment

"He won't even come to me which is not him at all. He just wants to sit quietly in his cage" do not like the sound of this Katie I know different health problems and birds but Plum has always been in need of the AV urgently when he acts like this.
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Old 09-12-2017, 11:45 AM
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Re: Urgent - Picking at feet

Thank you for the link! Will look into the options they have available. I assume it ships from the US? I'm in Canada and orders always take 2 weeks to arrive

As soon as I took the cone off he went to his playgym, played with a ball, and came back to me. He beak scrapped and sounded happy. Now he's preening. Perhaps it was just distress from the cone but obviously will keep monitoring.

Thankfully I'm able to work from home today but not sure how much longer they will tolerate this for. It sucks living alone in situations like this.


Update:

- He's picked as his feet a few more times. Seems more busy preening but he has done it a few times now. I called the vet, she's in surgery but will call back when she's finished. He's still wing flipping a lot but toe tapping ended the other day. Appreciate everyone's support, means a lot

- Ever since the cone came off he's talked a bit, playing on his playgym, making happy noises.

- He actually initiated playing with me for the first time since last Thursday, major behaviour change

- Wing flipping persists

- Still picking. Not a ton but still picking.

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Old 09-12-2017, 01:28 PM
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Re: Urgent - Picking at feet

I have no clue if this could be another possible culprit or not, but I remembered I cleaned his cage on Thursday last week instead of my normal Friday time, and I've been using the Poop Off like always but also have been using another cleanser for awhile now on one side of his seed guard because the food is harder to get off.

https://well.ca/products/earth-frien...age_14478.html

I can't confidently recall if I rinsed it off afterwards.....maybe now I'm just over-thinking everything. But he does walk along the seed guard.

Doesn't explain the toe tap/wing flip however.

Just thought I'd add this as it popped into my head. I've used about half the bottle already so I kind of doubt it's this, even if I did forget to rinse...?

I just gave him a new toy to try and distract him. I realize some of his links are stainless others are nickle plated. Not sure if nickle plated is an issue...now I'm thinking bells, links after my vet asked yesterday (metal toxicity). But I've used the same ones for awhile...

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Re: Urgent - Picking at feet

Have you spoken about the info that Anansi has provided to your CAV Katie? Just think that a strategy should be worked out for metal toxicity or PDD?

Doesn't look like the different cleanser is a problem but just for the sake of your nerves leave it in the cupboard for now.

PS would your work allow you some leave for this week or special dispensation to work at home? Depends on the nature of the company you work for and the management who work there. If the situation is explained sometimes they are sympathetic.

Stainless ok, nickel plate not.

http://www.petmd.com/bird/emergency/...etal_Poisoning
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Re: Urgent - Picking at feet

Did he have a CBC/panel ran? What was his amylase numbers? My vet said usually amylase is elevated with heavy metal toxicity. You may want to ask about sending a sample out for bornavirus. Layla had hers done last week. Luckily it was negative but she's still not feeling great and still trying to pluck pin feathers occasionally. Next step for us is also X-rays.
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