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Old 08-22-2018, 10:56 PM
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Lol I’m glad everything has settled down.

Don’t go too overboard on the rice. The rice (not white rice!), is primarily a great source of fiber above all. If you make a 3 week batch of chopped stuff (frozen storage), the rice should be maybe a cups worth. But having that high fiber base to any mean is very valuable for their diets.
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I would offer pellets or something during the day. Most bird species are not designed to eat two meals a day....this is physically and psychologically hard on them. I don't understand this trend. That saying I have zero experience with ekkies!!!
I agree, with the very high metabolism of birds, just 2 feeding opportunities seems cruel to me.
(LOL: I am human-slow and even I do not do well on 2 meals a day!)

afaik The birdtrickspeople f.e. do it so they can keep the birds motivated to work with them -> they get healthy chop in the morning, earn the empty/not so empty calories while working out and settle down with pellets+ more healthy stuff after training/performing. But these birds get the entire day to semi-fourage (work and eat, work and eat) you cannot compare that to "feed parrot/ share breakfast- go to work - feed parrot again/share dinner".
Fouraging is what birds do all day, every day -> so stuffing their faces 2x a day with nothing to do in between... seems like a recepy for disaster to me (and not fair to the bird).

but them I am old and set in my ways I've been told again and again and again birds should *always* have acces to fresh food and clean water (because of said high metabolism) and never found any evidence it should be otherwise.

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Back to the rice: try to figure out what type/variation it is and where it was grown.
Nowadays it is produced all over the world, and a lot of it is relatively high in arsenic anyway (riceplants somehow love that stuff).
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Old 08-23-2018, 07:44 AM
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Re: Toe-Tapping, Need Support/Advice

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Quote: Originally Posted by Laurasea View Post
I would offer pellets or something during the day. Most bird species are not designed to eat two meals a day....this is physically and psychologically hard on them. I don't understand this trend. That saying I have zero experience with ekkies!!!
I agree, with the very high metabolism of birds, just 2 feeding opportunities seems cruel to me.
(LOL: I am human-slow and even I do not do well on 2 meals a day!)

afaik The birdtrickspeople f.e. do it so they can keep the birds motivated to work with them -> they get healthy chop in the morning, earn the empty/not so empty calories while working out and settle down with pellets+ more healthy stuff after training/performing. But these birds get the entire day to semi-fourage (work and eat, work and eat) you cannot compare that to "feed parrot/ share breakfast- go to work - feed parrot again/share dinner".
Fouraging is what birds do all day, every day -> so stuffing their faces 2x a day with nothing to do in between... seems like a recepy for disaster to me (and not fair to the bird).

but them I am old and set in my ways I've been told again and again and again birds should *always* have acces to fresh food and clean water (because of said high metabolism) and never found any evidence it should be otherwise.

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Back to the rice: try to figure out what type/variation it is and where it was grown.
Nowadays it is produced all over the world, and a lot of it is relatively high in arsenic anyway (riceplants somehow love that stuff).
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Yep, he does have a constant food source since I leave his breakfast chop there, but I'm worried about food poisoning or other bacteria from leaving it out so long. I just need to find an ekkie replacement that's not toe-tapping inducing pellets. I've tried bell peppers/capsicums and bok choy since they seem to handle being open in the air well without going bad. But I need to find more alternatives that fit his dietary needs and restrictions. My partner also slips him treats of fruit during the day, so don't worry! He isn't starving but I just want to make sure his solid meals have everything he needs without hurting him.
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Yep, he does have a constant food source since I leave his breakfast chop there, but I'm worried about food poisoning or other bacteria from leaving it out so long. I just need to find an ekkie replacement that's not toe-tapping inducing pellets. I've tried bell peppers/capsicums and bok choy since they seem to handle being open in the air well without going bad. But I need to find more alternatives that fit his dietary needs and restrictions. My partner also slips him treats of fruit during the day, so don't worry! He isn't starving but I just want to make sure his solid meals have everything he needs without hurting him.

That is great!
Btw I was just harping on in general, no personal offense meant off course!


You (and other ekkie-keepers) have and additional challenge in the type of foods they need. It is hard to keep stuff fresh during the day.
I leave mine with the hard, not cut up stuff: carrots, pak choi, anything leafy -> types of cabages (they all hate broccolie for some reason...)

It is the reverse of chop: the less cut into pieces and broken up it is, the better it keeps (feeding entire plant instead of mush).
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:28 PM
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Idea, can you put chop in a bowl then set that bowl on top of ice in a larger bowl, that way every thing stays fresh longer?
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Back to the rice: try to figure out what type/variation it is and where it was grown.
Nowadays it is produced all over the world, and a lot of it is relatively high in arsenic anyway (riceplants somehow love that stuff).
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Ah! Wait! I just saw about the arsenic rice. Is there a way I can test this? I'm in SEA, which I'm reading has higher amounts of arsenic in the rice. It just looks like the way I treat/cook it is the only way I can reduce the arsenic amount.
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Idea, can you put chop in a bowl then set that bowl on top of ice in a larger bowl, that way every thing stays fresh longer?
I'll definitely give it a try to see if he accepts it! But he does have a tendency to avoid food if it's too chilled lol I'm thinking it's from his baby tendencies since he's only fifteen months old, so probably warm food gives him some warm feelings
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Re: Toe-Tapping, Need Support/Advice

Gah! It's come back! Toe tapping AND wing flipping. On top of that, he has a yeast problem that he's taking a 10-day course of meds for.

His chop hasn't changed - it's been the same for almost 3 days now.

I've been giving him free flow food, refilling constantly over the weekend and offering bigger slices of his chop (a slice of bell pepper or a stalk of bok choy). But on top of his diarrhea, he's also got his toe tapping again.

What am I doing wrong? He was fine with the chop for a few days, and now it's not ok. I've tried keeping the room a moderate temperature. Is it his medication (itraconazole, today is his second day)?
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It's so bad. He can't sleep properly - every time his eyes close, his leg wakes him up. I think it might be only happening at night though. He's been sleepy throughout these past few days, so maybe I missed seeing his previous night time toe tapping?
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Ekkies are so unique in the food department, I wish I knew more about them. I know yeast can sometimes be caused by an imbalanced diet, or rapid diet changes, amoung other things..like a depressed immune system...I don't know about the meds and dude effects. But you guys are sure going through a difficult time. Is there a breeder you can contact and get diet and tips from? It could be the yeast is just now showing up from the excess sugar in his diet before, and that after this treatment things will turn around. I will keep reading your thread to learn more about your unique challenges.
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