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Old 07-30-2019, 02:08 AM
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Non-Fresh Diet - Urgent Switch?

I might have to head back to the US for about 1-1.5 weeks or so at the end of August. I'm trying to see if my partner can come with me, which means no one will be home to take care of Cairo.

Options:
  • Ask a small breeder we know to take care of him in her home, which means tiny cage, leg chains, other birds, etc. (not sure if she's interested, but she keeps her birds healthy); or,
  • Ask someone (ideally who works at our national bird park) to visit our home every day (their commute could be up to 1.5 hours just one way) while he stays in his Hacienda.

That being said, while I plan on making his frozen chop for him, I need to plan for if they can only visit once a day (and if the breeder was open to taking him in, she even prefers pellets as a staple).

Do I force him over to TOPs? This is my first thought since he has tried it before. It originally clashed with whatever I was feeding him because he started toe-tapping a little, but if his diet switches to mainly TOPs it may not cause toe-tapping due to the other trigger ingredient being less. Alternatively, I could dehydrate fresh veggies for him, but he never really took to it before.

Before he came to us, he was eating the colorful zupreem pellets. I'd hate to switch him back to that, but I'm just really worried because he is such a picky eater sometimes - his appetite comes and goes like mood swings. And no one would be able to weigh him every day, since he's fully-flighted and only recalls to me and my partner (I guarantee if he's taken out of his cage, he'll fly to the top of our laundry rack which is on a high ceiling that's maybe 12+ ft high).

Disclaimer: there's really no such thing as bird boarding here, and where private homes offer the service they do absolute zilch to check on the health of the birds coming in and out (largely because it's hard to find an avian vet who can send blood tests overseas for disease testing).
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Re: Non-Fresh Diet - Urgent Switch?

Try avian vets to see if they can board? Also is there an Ekkie site on FB, make friends, see if anyone can board yours with theirs? Leg chains? Really? You really do not want him on Zupreem IMHO hun.
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Old 07-30-2019, 02:56 AM
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Re: Non-Fresh Diet - Urgent Switch?

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Try avian vets to see if they can board? Also is there an Ekkie site on FB, make friends, see if anyone can board yours with theirs? Leg chains? Really? You really do not want him on Zupreem IMHO hun.
There are only two listed avian vets, and I only trust one of them so she's our go-to. But I know it would be a hefty bill and likely in a small cage due to space constraints - I'll definitely check with her though.

There is a local ekkie facebook group, but nobody goes for regular health checks let alone understands that birds can be silent carriers for certain diseases (really no fear of PBFD at all in the local community). The lack of awareness regarding medical matters scares me enough to not trust Cairo to stay with them.

And ya, leg chains are normal/common here as are very small cages (a cage that is 46x46x66cm or 18"x18"x26" is considered acceptable for ekkies, amazons, and grays. I think Cairo's a rarity for wearing a harness and having his Hacienda cage; and I'm firm in my ways of how Cairo is treated - never to be hit or shouted at or left exposed to the elements.
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Old 07-30-2019, 07:32 AM
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Re: Non-Fresh Diet - Urgent Switch?

You definitely have options. It’s not the end of the world for him to go on something nonfresh for a little while.

Do you have access to any avian dry mixes? Nut/seed/fruit mixes? Goldenfeast materials for example?
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Old 07-30-2019, 09:54 AM
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Re: Non-Fresh Diet - Urgent Switch?

Honestly, for a week, I'd just offer a high quality seed mix with nuts. I wouldn't even try pellets with an ekkie. Oh, and leave him at home and have someone come over. I'm a firm believer in staying at home with a pet sitter stopping by is better for birds than boarding. Boarding, IMO, should be an option of last resort and certainly not somewhere that will chain your baby up in a tiny cage, culturally acceptable where you are, or not.
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Re: Non-Fresh Diet - Urgent Switch?

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You definitely have options. Itís not the end of the world for him to go on something nonfresh for a little while.

Do you have access to any avian dry mixes? Nut/seed/fruit mixes? Goldenfeast materials for example?
I completely didn't think about premixed options. Thanks for the tip about Goldenfeast! I'm trying to find a local supplier that can ship it into the country in time or another similar alternative.
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Re: Non-Fresh Diet - Urgent Switch?

In a pinch I made my own mix of dried veggies “just veggies” and “just peas” (Karen’s naturals on Amazon), along with raisins, goldenfeast golden’obles mixed in, oats, and a few slivers of almond and pumpkin seeds. I put it all together in a Tupperware and the sitter had no issues feeding it to him for the week, he ate it and tolerated it well
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Re: Non-Fresh Diet - Urgent Switch?

Try https://www.texasnaturalfreezedried.com/ . I don't know if she can ship it there or about customs but it's not going to spoil on the way over and it is very light in weight.

She is a one person shop and would probably be up to the idea.

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Re: Non-Fresh Diet - Urgent Switch?

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Try https://www.texasnaturalfreezedried.com/ . I don't know if she can ship it there or about customs but it's not going to spoil on the way over and it is very light in weight.

She is a one person shop and would probably be up to the idea.

You can also chat with her on Facebook
For the freeze-dried chop, do you need to rehydrate it or is it possible to serve dried?
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Re: Non-Fresh Diet - Urgent Switch?

Does anybody know about Versele-Laga or Higgins Sunburst? I can't find any Goldenfeast instock locally, and I worry shipping will take some time or might get rejected by customs.

I'm trying a TOPs diet today. He still has his snack bowl of veggies that last during the day (whole sweet peas, green beans, chili padi, etc), but instead of chop, I gave him TOPs. We'll see how it goes - if any toe-tapping arises.

We're arranging a meet-up with the potential pet sitters. One of them is a vet tech, but she charges double because of the distance, and she can only make it once a day. The other used to work in the national zoo, handling a variety of creatures including parrots as part of a demo for the public. He can potentially come twice a day if we arrange it. He's also more affordable - his fees for coming twice a day is cheaper than the vet tech's once a day.

We'll see if Cairo takes to either of them. I need him to be comfortable enough for them to be able to put him in his Birdie GoGo if he gets sick and needs to see our vet.
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