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Old 10-03-2019, 07:11 PM
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Feeding and Diet

The breeder that I got my baby female SI ecelctus(3 months old) from was mainly feeding her Higgins Sunburst seed mix for parrots. He gave me a small bag to continue feeding her while I slowly incorporate other things into her diet. As far as veggies go, I have tried to add fresh sweet potatoes, green beans, carrots, red bell peppers, green peas. As far as fresh fruits go, I have tried bananas, pears, blueberries, cranberries, peaches, raspberries, and apples. But my bird will basically ignore everything in the bowl and just go for the seed mix. I have tried whole pieces, chopped pieces, mashed pieces. I have tried mixing everything up together. I have tried putting no seed mix in the bowl, and she won't eat anything in the bowl. I started some sprouts yesterday, but they won't be ready until Saturday. I already have a feeling that she will not eat sprouts either. I saw some websites that offer organic food for parrots.

https://christineschopshop.com/

https://www.theparrotspantry.com/

https://www.texasnaturalfreezedried.com/

Has anyone had any experiences with food from the above websites?
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Old 10-04-2019, 08:54 AM
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Re: Feeding and Diet

Hello, and welcome to the challenging world of feeding ekkies.

I haven't tried any of those, unfortunately, so I can't really say one way or the other.

Some birds are more stubborn than others. The trick here is to be more stubborn than she is. You're right to try and get her off the seeds. They're fatty when given in excess, and can lead to arteriosclerosis. So keep providing as much variety of veggies, grains, and fruits as possible, prepared in as many ways as possible. In the past, for instance, my birds never liked carrots in large pieces or cut up, sliced or diced. But grated? Bring it on! Lol!

A good intro food to try in pomegranate. Rare is the ekkie that wouldn't lose her mind over that fruit! Then try using a cooked base. My favorite for this purpose is Volkmans Fancy Soak & Simmer. Great source of oats, grains and legumes. Quinoa or brown rice works as well. For birds, it's as much about texture as taste. (Their sense of taste is far less sensitive than ours.)

Here's what I usually post up when asked about diet for ekkies:

I tend to provide between 6 and 8 types of food per feeding (2 meals per day), weighted heavily toward the veggie side as only 1 of the food selections in a given meal is a fruit.
Various sprouts, carrots (very important due to the high content of beta carotene - precursor to Vitamin A), bell peppers (red, yellow, orange and green – also very high in Vitamin A), jalapeno peppers, Jamaican Scotch bonnet peppers, chili peppers, squash (butternut, green and yellow), pumpkin (again, high in Vitamin A), blueberries and pomegranates (both among the most nutritious of fruits), snap peas, broccoli (high in calcium), cactus pears, persimmon, starfruit, bananas, grapes (only for flavor and hydration. Relatively low in nutrition), kale, turnips, radishes, brown rice, quinoa, cucumbers, endives, dandelion (nutritional powerhouse offered at every meal when seasonally available), sweet potato (cooked), red swiss chard, mustard greens, collard greens, kale, cilantro, parsley, watercress, arugula, granny smith apples, papaya (don’t go too heavy on this, as it is a diarrhetic), African horned melon, hominy, oatmeal (sans sugar or flavoring), kiwi, barley, calendula flowers, fennel, chocho beans and garbanzo beans, as well as Volkman's Fancy Soak and Simmer for the majority of their legumes and grains.

For food accents I'll add one or two types of the following as well: star anise, milk thistle, elder berries, rose hips, hibiscus, bee pollen and chamomile flowers.

Twice a month, I'll give some hard-boiled egg (with the crushed shell for calcium). Slightly more frequently during a molt.

For their training treats they get an assortment of unsalted nuts (one to three per bird in a given day, broken into small pieces and fed as rewards during the training sessions). And for their "goodnight treat", up to a teaspoon or two of seeds.
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Re: Feeding and Diet

Just my 2 centavos... I'm a Harrison's fan.
http://www.harrisonsbirdfoods.com/
I feed Harrison's, supplemented by fresh healthy treats. My first, and later, my current avian vet recommended it. My bird loves the pellets now, but to get him converted, my avian vet suggested putting pellets out all day, and putting seeds (his old diet) out for two 15-minute periods a day. That would sustain him but leave him hungry enough to try new stuff. I presume the same technique could be used to get him to eat other healthy stuff, like fruits and vegetables! My guy was eating pellets in a couple of days, and now I can feed a good variety of other stuff, knowing he has the pellets as a basic. Pellets are out all day... fresh treats a few times a day. I also like Harrison's via mail because I never have to worry about out-of-date products.
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Re: Feeding and Diet

I'm an Amazon Snob, likely because they are fairly easy when it comes to food in general.
Anansi is, IMHO, the go to person for ekkies diets and likely everything else ekkies. Following his coarse will assure you a safe harbor and healthy ekkies.
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Re: Feeding and Diet

Thanks, Steven. Much appreciated, my friend.


Quote: Originally Posted by GaleriaGila View Post
Just my 2 centavos... I'm a Harrison's fan.
http://www.harrisonsbirdfoods.com/
I feed Harrison's, supplemented by fresh healthy treats. My first, and later, my current avian vet recommended it. My bird loves the pellets now, but to get him converted, my avian vet suggested putting pellets out all day, and putting seeds (his old diet) out for two 15-minute periods a day. That would sustain him but leave him hungry enough to try new stuff. I presume the same technique could be used to get him to eat other healthy stuff, like fruits and vegetables! My guy was eating pellets in a couple of days, and now I can feed a good variety of other stuff, knowing he has the pellets as a basic. Pellets are out all day... fresh treats a few times a day. I also like Harrison's via mail because I never have to worry about out-of-date products.
This would be good advice for another species, but Harrison's is actually pretty bad for ekkies, Abs. Many pellet brands are, but I'd definitely stay far away from Harrison's in particular. See this link: Disgusted!
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Re: Feeding and Diet

Wonderful advice! I agree with Sailboat and Anansi. You can't go wrong stalking Anansi's posts.


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And for their "goodnight treat", up to a teaspoon or two of seeds.
Stephen, what seed mix do you use? I'm always looking for new stuff to offer him. I usually, buy a seed mix specific to Greys.

I do the same, I add a little seed mix to his late night chop close to bedtime. So, while he is digging around for the seeds, he is still ingesting the healthier chop.
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Re: Feeding and Diet

Tami - I’m not Stephen but feed very similarly. In waiting for his reply to ya, I personally will top off with any one of a number of options: Millet, chia, flax, uncooked quinoa, oat groats, sunflower seeds, mustard seed, rolled oats...the list goes on. Any seed does the trick.
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Tami - Iím not Stephen but feed very similarly. In waiting for his reply to ya, I personally will top off with any one of a number of options: Millet, chia, flax, uncooked quinoa, oat groats, sunflower seeds, mustard seed, rolled oats...the list goes on. Any seed does the trick.
Thank you Sir.
Levi LOVES quinoa, I add it to his chop often. I do add, chia, flax & oats as well. I actually grind the flax for better absorption. I haven't tried mustard yet.
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No need to grind Up the flaxseed. What do you think your bird does?
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Re: Feeding and Diet

Stephen (Anansi) and Chris have got you covered on proper ekkie diet.

As for your links, Christine's and Parrot Pantry both have a fair bit of seed as part of their base. I've never considered them as an option for Cairo, but I'm very picky.

Texas we have, and honestly, we would use more if international shipping wasn't so expensive. Their freeze-dried chop is true chop - veggies mostly with some fruits. You can also order one without fruits. They come in regular "chop" size (tiny pieces) and in Chunky Chop (bigger slices). Cairo loves the chunky chop.

That being said, I don't serve it as a meal. For his breakfast and dinner, he gets chop like what Stephen and Chris mention. The Texas Chunky Chop is his dry snack I leave in his cage if I'm getting concerned about his appetite and weight (it's a Cairo-thing).

The main reason I don't use Texas as the base is because it's easy for him to pick and choose what to eat (purple cabbage and lettuce apparently is not kosher for him) and also because it's dry. Yes, they tell you how to hydrate the chop, but he prefers it dry. And the reason I don't want it dry is because I do want him hydrated - we live in a hot and humid tropical country (if it's below 24C, we think it's freezing), so he needs all the fluid he can get.

It's a great supplement, and they've great customer service. I've also got their freeze-dried sprouts, but haven't tried it yet. But yeah, just a supplement - not the main diet. That should be what the others have written.
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