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Re: Male or female eclectus? Eclectus just in general?

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If you’re dead set on getting a bird, and one that will cuddle with you, I’d look at cockatiels (Not cockatoos lol, they’re cute but crazy). They are very cuddly and love being pet. They adjust well to schedule changes. Males can learn to whistle and even say a few words (though less common). I have a male and a female cockatiel and love them both.

If you really are set on a parrot maybe look into a quaker. I’ve never owned one but know people who have. From my experiences they’re very friendly with their owners, smart and (let’s not forget) not nearly the hormone or dietary issues of an eclectus.


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Yeah, did a quick search on cockatoos and I remembered why they went to the bottom of my list (I have been researching parrots for at least 3 years in order to find a good fit). I don't think I could handle a big cockatoo. I think an Eclectus will be a good fit for the moment (I will continue my research until I am really sure), and I don't mind if he doesn't let me touch him/her as much. I am actually looking for a bird that will most likely just enjoy spending time with us (being in the same place, perched on our arms, etc), and that will be receptive to trick training (clickers!). They are also known to be talkers, aren't they?
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Re: Male or female eclectus? Eclectus just in general?

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I am actually looking for a bird that will most likely just enjoy spending time with us (being in the same place, perched on our arms, etc), and that will be receptive to trick training (clickers!). They are also known to be talkers, aren't they?
Yes, ekkies are great talkers, especially the males. But that is a species trait, so be careful about generalizations. There are plenty of ekkies who refuse to say a word. Most are closet talkers, who only talk when nobody is in their line of sight. its an attention getting device desiged to get to you come running to them.

You've really just described about every parrot out there. Macaws, cockatoos, budgies, ekkies...they all are completely amenable to clicker training, and thoroughly enjoy spending time with their human flock.

Heres the thing with one-person birds: Yes, they are a thing. But a good part of the cause of this problem, which is largely biologically drive at its core, is actually TRAINING!

One person birds aren't all aggressive to "others". OPB manifest in on a spectrum that ranges from happy to see everyone, to "ok, I'll come sit with you, but i"m watching my favorite person the whole time", to " *Fly away* leave me alone" to "I want to rip your face off".

All you hear is aggression, and thats because its a PROBLEM people seek help for. They don't seek help for a bird who will sit with them, even reluctantly. So aggression is not always the case. My ekkie manifests it in the form of always trying to escape from me and get to my partner whenever possible, his favorite hands down who can do no wrong, or at least ignore mean and coo at him. I get bit several times a year during hormones, my partner has never been bitten, not once.

Any bird showing aggression as a OPB can be trained to more readily accept handling from various people Its all about socialization from a young age. Get them handled by lots of people as young chicks/birds before maturity, and they'll more likely accept a wide range of people easily.

So with this in mind, I think you can broaden your options significantliy, depending on what is available to you in Mexico. You might check out Red Fronted Macaws, which are the largest of the MINI macaws ("mini" is relative, these are just a touch bigger than ekkies). These are known to have one of the best personalities of the macaw species. And they have the ability to hover in flight, something not a lot of other birds can do.

Or one of the smaller amazons, like the lilac crowned amazon. These can be really sweet.
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I am actually looking for a bird that will most likely just enjoy spending time with us (being in the same place, perched on our arms, etc), and that will be receptive to trick training (clickers!). They are also known to be talkers, aren't they?
Yes, ekkies are great talkers, especially the males. But that is a species trait, so be careful about generalizations. There are plenty of ekkies who refuse to say a word. Most are closet talkers, who only talk when nobody is in their line of sight. its an attention getting device desiged to get to you come running to them.

You've really just described about every parrot out there. Macaws, cockatoos, budgies, ekkies...they all are completely amenable to clicker training, and thoroughly enjoy spending time with their human flock.

Heres the thing with one-person birds: Yes, they are a thing. But a good part of the cause of this problem, which is largely biologically drive at its core, is actually TRAINING!

One person birds aren't all aggressive to "others". OPB manifest in on a spectrum that ranges from happy to see everyone, to "ok, I'll come sit with you, but i"m watching my favorite person the whole time", to " *Fly away* leave me alone" to "I want to rip your face off".

All you hear is aggression, and thats because its a PROBLEM people seek help for. They don't seek help for a bird who will sit with them, even reluctantly. So aggression is not always the case. My ekkie manifests it in the form of always trying to escape from me and get to my partner whenever possible, his favorite hands down who can do no wrong, or at least ignore mean and coo at him. I get bit several times a year during hormones, my partner has never been bitten, not once.

Any bird showing aggression as a OPB can be trained to more readily accept handling from various people Its all about socialization from a young age. Get them handled by lots of people as young chicks/birds before maturity, and they'll more likely accept a wide range of people easily.

So with this in mind, I think you can broaden your options significantliy, depending on what is available to you in Mexico. You might check out Red Fronted Macaws, which are the largest of the MINI macaws ("mini" is relative, these are just a touch bigger than ekkies). These are known to have one of the best personalities of the macaw species. And they have the ability to hover in flight, something not a lot of other birds can do.

Or one of the smaller amazons, like the lilac crowned amazon. These can be really sweet.
Thank you! I really like Amazons, and I look more into them (just afraid of buying a wild-caught one, but I guess that as long as they have all the permits and come from a respectable breeder this will not happen). I guess what I was really afraid of is that the bird will choose someone else as their favorite (that's why I was really going for ekkies, but apparently all parrots choose favorites), but since I will be the one doing most of the interaction with him (training, food making, cage cleaning) I can only hope that they will choose me, or at least tolerate me.

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Amazons are biters. There’s that generalization again. No, they aren’t biters. They get a bad rap particularly because puberty can potentially hit them hard (more aggressive, perhaps more more than other species would be during the same life phase). But that behavior during puberty is hardly unique to amazons.

One word about the eclectus diet: this is a situation where what’s good for the good is good for the gander. Ekkies can’t be on the diet of other parrots, but the eclectus diet being really just fresh food, ANY parrot can eat that. Almost Any species would do very well munching along with you on your veggie dinner. Many other non eclectus parrot owners feed their birds a fresh fruit and vegetable diet. So you aren’t very limited there.
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Amazons are biters. There’s that generalization again. No, they aren’t biters. They get a bad rap particularly because puberty can potentially hit them hard (more aggressive, perhaps more more than other species would be during the same life phase). But that behavior during puberty is hardly unique to amazons.

One word about the eclectus diet: this is a situation where what’s good for the good is good for the gander. Ekkies can’t be on the diet of other parrots, but the eclectus diet being really just fresh food, ANY parrot can eat that. Almost Any species would do very well munching along with you on your veggie dinner. Many other non eclectus parrot owners feed their birds a fresh fruit and vegetable diet. So you aren’t very limited there.
Thank you for the answers! You have been so helpful in opening new options for parrot choosing! I will look more into different species available here in Mexico. I think that I will really like to keep researching more options.

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Amazons are biters. There’s that generalization again. No, they aren’t biters. They get a bad rap particularly because puberty can potentially hit them hard (more aggressive, perhaps more more than other species would be during the same life phase). But that behavior during puberty is hardly unique to amazons.

One word about the eclectus diet: this is a situation where what’s good for the good is good for the gander. Ekkies can’t be on the diet of other parrots, but the eclectus diet being really just fresh food, ANY parrot can eat that. Almost Any species would do very well munching along with you on your veggie dinner. Many other non eclectus parrot owners feed their birds a fresh fruit and vegetable diet. So you aren’t very limited there.
Thank you for the answers! You have been so helpful in opening new options for parrot choosing! I will look more into different species available here in Mexico. I think that I will really like to keep researching more options.
Quick update! I have researched a lot and eliminated amazons, Scarlet macaws, military macaws, and quaker parrots from my list. Selling and buying these parrots is illegal here in Mexico. Quakers are invasive(damn people that release their pets) amazons and macaws are national parrots and get trafficked a lot. Other than that, I am still researching!

Edit: Blue and Gold macaws along with Greenwing macaws are still ok!
Edit 2: I could still buy a blue-crowned amazon, but I will keep away from it just in case (I want to keep stuff 100% legal)

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Re: Male or female eclectus? Eclectus just in general?

Kudos for your continued enthusiasm and research!

Green Wings are standouts in the world of macaws. In my experience they have a more mellow disposition compared with Blue & Gold. Macaws tend to use the beak for bluffing, and thankfully are less likely to bite in extreme anger. All you ever wanted to know about those beaks! Big Beak O Phobes Guide to Understanding Macaw Beaks...
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Kudos for your continued enthusiasm and research!

Green Wings are standouts in the world of macaws. In my experience they have a more mellow disposition compared with Blue & Gold. Macaws tend to use the beak for bluffing, and thankfully are less likely to bite in extreme anger. All you ever wanted to know about those beaks! Big Beak O Phobes Guide to Understanding Macaw Beaks...
Thank you so much for the useful link! I am actually inclining myself more towards the blue and gold macaw (Love the green wing, but they are a tad too expensive). I also found a good breeder that sells them (B&G) for $1800, which is so much better than the $3250 of the green wing.
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Kudos for your continued enthusiasm and research!

Green Wings are standouts in the world of macaws. In my experience they have a more mellow disposition compared with Blue & Gold. Macaws tend to use the beak for bluffing, and thankfully are less likely to bite in extreme anger. All you ever wanted to know about those beaks! Big Beak O Phobes Guide to Understanding Macaw Beaks...
Thank you so much for the useful link! I am actually inclining myself more towards the blue and gold macaw (Love the green wing, but they are a tad too expensive). I also found a good breeder that sells them (B&G) for $1800, which is so much better than the $3250 of the green wing.
Initial cost is important consideration, considering the expense of quality cage, perches, toys, etc! Quite a price disparity between the two species!!
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So I have both a make and female Ekkie. Basil just turned 23 years old last week, and Paprika is around 22 weeks old how.

Basil is very chill. He likes to be out and hang out, but doesn’t prefer to be held a lot. He’s never been into getting petted or scritches. He will let you hold him upside or like a football and is generally gentle minded. He just isn’t into hanging out in your shoulder or arm. He’d rather be on his perch next to you or on top of the cage while you are on the couch.

Paprika is still just a baby. But she is very different then Basil was. She likes her time to explore the house and loves to look out the front windows and scream any time a bird comes in view. She also loves to fly over and land on you if you are at the table or on the couch. She loves falling asleep on my shoulder and also loves to sit like a chicken on eggs on my chest and fall asleep. She loves the back of her head rubbed and also her beak rubbed. She will also go into assault mode sometimes where she lashes out at everything. She doesn’t bite hard but she definitely lets you know she’s in a certain mood.

This is just my experience. I have heard that females can get more aggressive as they hit puberty and you want to avoid allowing them into any dark spaces that they could see as a nest.


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